Jesus x 3, your thoughts.

[Bill]

Good morning everyone, and may God bless us always. May he fill us with his wisdom and love.

As We Know, God likes to use numbers like seven and three very often in the scripture. And in this concept of three I'm going to show you something that came to my mind and I would like to hear your thoughts on it.

We all know that Jesus came to us as a child, God gave us His Son Jesus. And through Jesus we received the second Covenant.

But I would like to go back to the first Covenant, I think that we could really say that Jesus was given to us through the first Covenant as well.

If you read the first chapter of the Gospel of John it is written, "In the beginning was the Word the Word was with God and the Word was God." Now this phrase is actually talking about Jesus because later in the same chapter of the same gospel it goes on to read, "and the Word became flesh and dwelt Among Us".

When we look at what happened with Moses on the mountain. God gave to Moses the Word of God, the Laws of God. And the Word of God was inscribed on the two stone tablets, the Ten Commandments.

So we're not looking at the physical Jesus, we're looking at the Word of God that is also Jesus described in the Gospel of John.

Now I said in the title Jesus x three, and the reason that I posted it like that has to do with the return of Jesus. When he comes again this time with the angels, could it be that God the father is sending his son to us this once and final time? And will there also be a new covenant, I wonder?

Of course this is all speculation, but what do you think?

 

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Now I said in the title Jesus x three, and the reason that I posted it like that has to do with the return of Jesus. When he comagain this time with the angels, could it be that God the father is sending his son to us this once and final time? And will they're also be a new covenant, I wonder?
Of course this is all speculation, but what do you think?

'Behold, the days come, saith the LORD,
that I will make a new covenant
with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers
in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt;
which My covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel;
After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts,
and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be My People.'
(Jer 31:31-33)

Hello @Bill,

The first covenant was made with the nation of Israel and so will the new covenant be. It is in abeyance at this time, because Israel as a nation rejected their Messiah, Whose blood was the blood of the new covenant. Today the believer in the Lord Jesus Christ has been placed in Christ, and He is their surety. It is with Christ that a covenant was made before the foundation of the world, and 'The Promise of Life' given. Not with us.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Bill]

'Behold, the days come, saith the LORD,
that I will make a new covenant
with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers
in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt;
which My covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel;
After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts,
and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be My People.'
(Jer 31:31-33)

Hello @Bill,

The first covenant was made with the nation of Israel and so will the new covenant be. It is in abeyance at this time, because Israel as a nation rejected their Messiah, Whose blood was the blood of the new covenant. Today the believer in the Lord Jesus Christ has been placed in Christ, and He is their surety. It is with Christ that a covenant was made before the foundation of the world, and 'The Promise of Life' given. Not with us.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

I would disagree with that, or you say not with us. It's because of the words to the Apostles as well as Peter from Jesus.

Gospel of Luke 24:44 and then he told them, "this is what I meant when I said, while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses.

Matthew 16:18 " so now I say to you, you are Peter and on this rock I will build my church. And the gates of the underworld can never hold out against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, whatever you bind on Earth shall be considered Bound in heaven, whatever you lose on Earth shall be considered loose in heaven." <<<<< This is a covenant that is made between God and man

The first Covenant is indeed what you say, between God and his people, the Israelites. But the second Covenant is between God and his children.

 

[Charlie24]

I would disagree with that, or you say not with us. It's because of the words to the Apostles as well as Peter from Jesus.

Gospel of Luke 24:44 and then he told them, "this is what I meant when I said, while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses.

Matthew 16:18 " so now I say to you, you are Peter and on this rock I will build my church. And the gates of the underworld can never hold out against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, whatever you bind on Earth shall be considered Bound in heaven, whatever you lose on Earth shall be considered loose in heaven." <<<<< This is a covenant that is made between God and man

The first Covenant is indeed what you say, between God and his people, the Israelites. But the second Covenant is between God and his children.

That's not exactly true, Bill.

Nowhere in Scripture will you find a covenant that God made with us Gentiles. Both the old and new covenants were made by God for the natural seed of Abraham through the birthright of Jacob, the Jews.

We Gentiles are grafted into Israel's covenant with God through faith, as Paul told us. Neither can the natural seed (Israel) enter into the New Covenant without faith in the finished work of Christ.

The New Covenant is not a covenant made between God and the Gentiles or the Church, but we have been given access.

Paul also told us of the great mystery that was hidden from the Jews, "that God has granted salvation to the Gentiles."

We Gentile believers are co-heirs with the Jewish believers, equal before God. But the covenant is made with the Jews, we Gentiles are grafted into Israel's covenant with God.

Paul explains that the (the Jews/Israel) are the natural branches of the olive tree and we (Gentiles) are the wild branches grafted in to the olive tree. Then Paul warns the Gentiles (the wild olive branches grafted in) not to boast against the natural olive branches (Israel).

Notice Paul says in vs 24, "Their own olive tree," referring to the covenant being theirs.

Rom 11:16-24,

"For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.

Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.

For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

 

[First and the Last]

But I would like to go back to the first Covenant, I think that we could really say that Jesus was given to us through the first Covenant as well.

If you read the first chapter of the Gospel of John it is written, "In the beginning was the Word the Word was with God and the Word was God." Now this phrase is actually talking about Jesus because later in the same chapter of the same gospel it goes on to read, "and the Word became flesh and dwelt Among Us".

Are you saying you believe in the eternal Son.

 

[First and the Last]

Now I said in the title Jesus x three, and the reason that I posted it like that has to do with the return of Jesus. When he comes again this time with the angels, could it be that God the father is sending his son to us this once and final time? And will they're also be a new covenant, I wonder?

16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. 17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth. 18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.

Until Christ took His last breath the Hebrew and the believing world were under the Old covenant. According to Scripture no new covenant because there would be no more death for the Testator He already paid the price.

 

[Bill Taylor]

Good morning everyone, and may God bless us always. May he fill us with his wisdom and love.

As We Know, God likes to use numbers like seven and three very often in the scripture. And in this concept of three I'm going to show you something that came to my mind and I would like to hear your thoughts on it.

We all know that Jesus came to us as a child, God gave us His Son Jesus. And through Jesus we received the second Covenant.

But I would like to go back to the first Covenant, I think that we could really say that Jesus was given to us through the first Covenant as well.

If you read the first chapter of the Gospel of John it is written, "In the beginning was the Word the Word was with God and the Word was God." Now this phrase is actually talking about Jesus because later in the same chapter of the same gospel it goes on to read, "and the Word became flesh and dwelt Among Us".

When we look at what happened with Moses on the mountain. God gave to Moses the Word of God, the Laws of God. And the Word of God was inscribed on the two stone tablets, the Ten Commandments.

So we're not looking at the physical Jesus, we're looking at the Word of God that is also Jesus described in the Gospel of John.

Now I said in the title Jesus x three, and the reason that I posted it like that has to do with the return of Jesus. When he comes again this time with the angels, could it be that God the father is sending his son to us this once and final time? And will there also be a new covenant, I wonder?

Of course this is all speculation, but what do you think?

I am of the following that believes there is a single Covenant that began with Adam. With Abraham Yashuah added to the Covenant but did not discard anything in renewing His Contract with mankind. When our Elohim renewed the Covenant through Mosheh, He added but I find nowhere that Yashuah deleted. And then, even Yashuah assured us that He was not doing away with the Commandments written in stone nor did He change the prophecies. Instead of a New Covenant I see the Renewed Covenant.

I see Yashuah returning on the clouds and removing the Saints and seven years later, He and His Saints are returning to rule for one thousand years. Will He renew the Covenant? Possibly but not required. This is food for thought.