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Manchild and Woman Rev 12

Faith4Bride

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manchild and woman chapter 5 of " Hidden Manna For the End Times" by David Eells

God confirms His Word with signs and wonders. When I was doing conferences across the U.S. on the material in the next four chapters, videos were made and distributed. I got confirmations of the teaching from one end of the country to the other. While watching me teach in the video, a prophetess in Seattle, Washington saw the glory of the Lord coming out of my body and mouth like rays of light of which she e-mailed me. A day or two later, a prophet e-mailed me that he was watching the video in Orlando and saw the same thing. Neither knew each other or about the other’s revelation because I had told no one. This is not to glorify a man, but a message. God chooses the weak of the world because His power is made perfect in weakness.



SIGN IN HEAVEN

John’s revelation of the end time tribulation begins and ends several times in the book of Revelation. Each time a different set of parables is used. One of those times is Revelation 12 and 13. In Revelation 12, John speaks of the man-child and woman. (Rev.12:1) And a great sign was seen in heaven: a woman arrayed with the sun…. (5) And she was delivered of a son, a man-child. Some say the woman is Israel and the man-child is Christ. This cannot be. The Revelation of John was given about sixty-six years after the resurrection of Jesus. The Lord told John that it would come to pass in the future. (Rev.4:1)…Come up hither, and I will show thee the things which must come to pass hereafter. Some say the “woman arrayed with the sun” is natural Israel in our day, and the man-child their First-fruits. Not so! Natural Israel as a whole is very lost, having never arrayed themselves with the sun (Son) and only a remnant of them will be saved. (Rom.9:27) And Isaiah crieth concerning Israel, If the number of the children of (natural) Israel be as the sand of the sea, it is the remnant that shall be saved. Only a remnant of natural Israel will be saved but all spiritual Israel will be saved. (Rom.11:26) [A]nd so all Israel shall be saved…. “All Israel” here is identified in verses 19-25 as those who are grafted into the olive tree through faith when unbelieving natural Israel was broken off. (Rom.9:6)….For they are not all Israel, that are of (natural) Israel: (7) neither, because they are Abraham’s seed, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. (8) That is, it is not the children of the flesh that are children of God; but the children of the promise are reckoned for a seed. Notice that it is not the children of Abraham’s flesh, or natural Israel, that are called “all Israel” but the children of promise, which are “reckoned” as his seed. (Gal.4:28) Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise. Notice that Gentiles who believe the promise “are children of promise” and as such are part of “all Israel”. To Gentiles who walk by faith, Paul said, “Abraham, who is the father of us all” (Rom.4:16). The Lord shows us in Ephesians 2:11-18 that the promise of redemption in Christ to both natural Israel and the Gentiles was for the purpose “that he might create in himself of the two one new man”. So now Jews and Gentiles who abide in Christ are “all Israel”. Jesus, speaking to natural Israel, said, “other sheep I have (Gentiles), which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and they shall become one flock, [and] one shepherd” (Jn.10:16).(Rom.2:28) For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly (a natural Jew); neither is that circumcision which is outward in the flesh: (29) but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit not in the letter. This spiritual circumcision of the heart he later describes as the cutting-off of the flesh in being baptized into Christ (Col.2:11,12). Paul said that only a “new creature” of the born again experience belongs to “the Israel of God” (Gal.6:15,16). John said twice of natural, fallen Israel, who worshiped in synagogues, “the blasphemy of them that say they are Jews, and they are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.” (Rev.2:9; see also 3:9). The woman in Revelation 12 is clearly, by her description, saved and therefore must be the true Church. “Church”, in Greek is ekklesia meaning “the called out ones”. They are called out of both natural Israel and the Gentiles to partake of Christ.


(Rev.12:1) [A] great sign was seen in heaven (The Church’s position in Christ is seated with Him in heavenly places [Eph.2:6].): a woman arrayed with the sun (The Church’s position is to be dressed with Christ’s righteousness and works [Rom.13:14].), and the moon under her feet (Our standing or position is only reflecting the light of the Son as the moon only reflects the light of the sun.), and upon her head a crown of twelve stars (The doctrine in her mind and authority by which she rules is that given through the twelve apostles).

As we saw in the Second Key to Hidden Manna, Jesus’ birth to Mary was a sign to be fulfilled in the end. Just as Jesus was born to Israel, so the man-child will be born to the true Church before the beginning of the tribulation. (Rev.12:2) and she was with child… (4)…the dragon standeth before the woman that is about to be delivered, that when she is delivered he may devour her child. (5) And she was delivered of a son, a man-child. The reason this text appears to identify Jesus is that Jesus laid down a physical body in order to take on a spiritual, corporate body through His Word abiding in the saints. The man-child is a corporate body within the Church that will be the First-fruits in whom the full Word is manifested. We see in this a clear identification of the end time man-child, of which with Jesus and Moses are previous types. In all three stories (Jesus, Moses and the man-chilld), being born of the woman is emphasized. Regarding Jesus and Moses, the woman is not only the natural mother, but physical Israel. The end time man-child is born of spiritual Israel, which we will discuss. All three cases demonstrate a failed attempt by the devil, described in this text and a dragon, to devour the promised seed by murdering the children (Ex.1:16,22; Mt.2:16). In our case, abortion is now being practiced worldwide in an attempt to extinguish a worldwide man-child, indicating this to be the timing of these verses. Since history always repeats, these types will help us in the next few chapters to see much about the man-child.
(Rev.12:5) And she was delivered of a son, a man-child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and unto his throne. Jesus identified this “man-child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron” as overcomers who do His works. (2:26) And he that overcometh, and he that keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give authority over the nations: (27) and he shall rule them with a rod of iron…as I also have received of my Father. Notice that the first-fruits overcomers are this man-child who walks in the steps and authority of Jesus. They are Jesus living in a corporate body. A corporate body that is completely given over to Him by overcoming sin through faith to do His works. We see that this man-child “was caught up unto God, and unto his throne (12:5). Jesus was given authority to rule form the throne of God, He identifies this men-child as a body of overcomers who are given His authority to rule from His throne. (3:21) He that overcometh, I will give to him to sit down with me in my throne, as I also overcame, and sat down with my Father in his throne. We will deal with this throne in Caught up to the Throne, but for now, we will discuss the man-child, who he is, and how he becomes the First-fruits overcomer.
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BIRTHING JESUS

Both individually and corporately, the righteous are as Mary who brought forth the man-child. She bore the fruit of Jesus, as we should–as the true Church will. Jesus has been sown in us as the seed (Greek: sperma) of the Word of God. As we feed that spiritual man, he grows like a baby in the womb. Jesus said in (Lk.8:21)…My mother and my brethren are these that hear the word of God, and do it. We who believe and act on the Word have the Christ child inside of us. As a mother feeds the baby in her womb we feed Him Who is the spiritual man. The mother has to eat and breathe to give life to the baby. Her breath (Greek: spirit) goes into her lungs. From her lungs, oxygen (life of the Spirit) is dispersed to the pulmonary veins, to the heart, and to the baby through the placenta and umbilical cord. We are like that. If we don’t receive the breath of God’s Spirit, we won’t give life to that baby. If we don’t eat the Word of God, the manna that comes down out of heaven, the baby is not given life and power to grow. Where this spiritual, inner man is growing in the image of Jesus, the outer carnal man is dying. (2Cor.4:16) Wherefore we faint not; but though our outward man is decaying, yet our inward man is renewed day by day. We are the spiritual mother of Jesus. Corporately also there is a body of believers who are the woman of Revelation twelve, the true Church. They will bring forth the corporate man-child in the likeness of Jesus. “Too good to be true,” you say? We shall see that “it is written”.

The promises of Jesus in our mind are useless until we believe and act on them. (Heb.4:2) For indeed we have had good tidings preached unto us, even as also they: but the word of hearing did not profit them, because it was not united by faith with them that heard. As a type of this, the Spirit said to Mary, “lessed is she that believed; for there shall be a fulfillment of the things which have been spoken to her from the Lord” (Lk.1:45). When we believe the Word of God, there is going to be a fulfillment of those Words. What was the Word spoken unto her from the Lord? (Lk.1:31) And behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. Like us, Mary was promised to bear the fruit of Jesus. Do you believe it? We can only become the mother of Jesus if we believe the Word. The parable of the sower in Matthew 13:18-23 is plain. Jesus sows the seed of the Word in the womb of our heart; if we nourish it, we bear the fruit of Christ, thirty-, sixty-, and a hundred-fold. We are also shown in this chapter that the seed of Jesus is His *****, reproducing Himself in the soil of our flesh. (Mt.13:37) And he answered and said, He that soweth the good seed (Greek: sperma) is the Son of man; (38) and the field is the world; and the good seed (sperma), these are the sons of the kingdom. Genesis 1 tells us that each seed brings forth after its own kind. Jesus can only sow himself.

Jesus had to go away so He could send the Holy Spirit to His corporate body. (Jn.16:7)…It is expedient for you that I go away; for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I go, I will send him unto you. It is the Holy Spirit’s work to overshadow us as He did Mary in order to produce Jesus in us. (Lk.1:35) And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee, and the power of the Most High shall overshadow thee: wherefore also the holy thing which is begotten shall be called the Son of God. When Jesus was departing to send the Holy Spirit, He promised that He would be seen again in the earth as a man-child born to a woman, which is the Church. (Jn.16:19) Jesus perceived that they were desirous to ask him, and he said unto them, Do ye inquire among yourselves concerning this, that I said, A little while, and ye behold me not, and again a little while, and ye shall see me? Until you read the next verses you might think that the only fulfillment of this was when Jesus was physically resurrected. Jesus died so that He would be spiritually resurrected in the Church. Paul taught that the goal of perfection is attained by the resurrection life of Christ manifested in us through death to self (Php.3:10-15). Jesus’ disciples would weep and lament over His death. As we are united with Christ in His death, we too lament and travail over our death to this world. Continuing our text, Jesus tells us that this sorrow of travailing in death to self would give way to the joy of bringing forth His life. (20) Verily, verily, I say unto you, that ye shall weep and lament, but the world shall rejoice: ye shall be sorrowful, but your sorrow shall be turned into joy. (21) A woman when she is in travail hath sorrow, because her hour is come: but when she is delivered of the child, she remembereth no more the anguish, for the joy that a man is born into the world. Notice that the disciples of Christ, who were the Church, would be likened to a woman in travail who brings forth a man-child in the image of Jesus. In this way, He would be seen again. (22) And ye therefore now have sorrow: but I will see you again, and your heart shall rejoice, and your joy no one taketh away from you. The sorrow that we feel in His absence will be taken away when we see Him again manifested in His corporate body of flesh. From Jesus’ statement here you can search all the way through the Word and you will come to that woman in travail with the man-child in Revelation 12. (Rev.12:2) [A]nd she (woman) was with child; and she crieth out, travailing in birth, and in pain to be delivered…. (5) And she was delivered of a son, a man-child.

Jesus said we would see Him in this man-child born as the First-fruits of the woman, the Church. The man-child is the First-fruits of those who manifest Christ after a time of apostasy (falling away) just as Christ was the First-fruits in His time. (2Cor.3:18) But we all, with unveiled face beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are transformed into the same image from glory to glory, even as from the Lord the Spirit. If our face is truly unveiled we accept what happened at the cross and see by faith the finished work of Christ in the mirror. Only in this walk of faith are we “transformed into the same image”. We accept by faith that God made an exchange of Christ’s life for our life. (Col.1:22) yet now hath he reconciled (Greek: “exchanged”) in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and without blemish and unreproveable before him: (23) if so be that ye continue in the faith, grounded and stedfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel…. Through this exchange we died and Christ now lives in us by faith. (Gal.2:20) I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I that live, but Christ living in me. Only seeing the real Jesus in the mirror by faith will transform us into the “same image”. Aspiring to be like “another Jesus”, as Paul called it in 2 Corinthians 11:4, will not bring forth Christ but antichrist in us. Having our eyes on self, our ability, our failure, is to see our “natural face in a mirror” and is not walking by faith. This will bring no power to obey but will make us hearers and not doers of the Word. (Jas.1:23) For if any one is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a mirror. These are the ones who do not unite faith with the Gospel so that Christ can be manifested in them. (Eph.4:13) [T]ill we all attain unto the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a fullgrown man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ. Paul is confident in the power of God to do this declaring “that ye may be filled unto all the fulness of God” (3:19).

Those who wish to live the old life believe that it is not possible that Christ could be manifest in this body. (2Cor.4:10) [A]lways bearing about in the body the dying of Jesus, that the life also of Jesus may be manifested in our body. (11) For we who live are always delivered unto death (to self) for Jesus’ sake, that the life also of Jesus may be manifested in our mortal flesh. Notice he speaks of Jesus coming in this mortal flesh, not glorified bodies. In Paul’s day they were falling away from this truth, which led to many dark centuries of apostasy. (Gal.4:19) My little children, of whom I am again in travail until Christ be formed in you.

(Gal.2:20) I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I that live, but Christ liveth in me: and that [life] which I now live in the flesh I live in faith, [the faith] which is in the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself up for me. I am learning that it is not I, living the Christian life and doing the works of Christ, but it is I accepting my death and exercising faith so that Christ may live and do His works through me. Jesus gave up a natural body in order to take up a corporate body so that He could continue on a much larger scale His deliverance of this fallen creation. (1Cor.12:27) Now ye are the body of Christ, and severally members thereof. We are not the body of “another Jesus”, a weak and worthless Jesus. We are the body of the same Jesus Who walked in that first body, exercising God’s power to set the captives free. (Heb.13:8) Jesus Christ [is] the same yesterday and today, [yea] and for ever. It is sad that most do not agree that Christ’s plan is to continue exercising the sovereignty that He had in His first body, in His second. (Amos 3:3) Shall two walk together, except they have agreed? We must agree with Jesus working through His body today to do the Fathers’ work, that the body of Jesus today, would walk as Jesus did in His first body 2000 years ago.

Through faith in the Gospel we can expect the life of Jesus to be manifested in our human bodies. The life of Christ is not only His fruit but also His ministry, as we shall see. Those who teach that we cannot expect the life of Christ in this life are deceivers. Those who preach that as long as we are in this body we will always be in bondage to sin are deceivers. (2Jn.7) For many deceivers are gone forth (from the Church) into the world, [even] they that confess not that Jesus Christ cometh in the flesh. The KJV falsely says “is come in the flesh” because they thought this spoke of His first body. There is no manuscript that says this. Even the Received Text says “coming in flesh”. The ancient manuscripts also say this and the numeric pattern proves it to be true. When Jesus physically comes again, He will have a glorified body, not one of flesh, however, He is coming now in the flesh of His body of true believers. Those who preach that our ultimate hope here is only to be forgiven, and not transformed, are deceivers. Paul explained that he was revealing a mystery with the words “Christ in you, the hope of glory” (Col.1:27). He said that the wisdom in this mystery was to “present every man perfect (complete or mature) in Christ” (28). The seed of Christ must become manifested (bear fruit) in us “from glory to glory”. (Col.3:4) When Christ, [who is] our life, shall be manifested, then shall ye also with him be manifested in glory. Christ manifested in us has power over sin and the curse around us. (See our book Sovereign God, For Us and Through Us) As we come to realize the purpose of Christ is to live in us, our faith in what He can do in us and through us grows exponentially. (Phm.1:6) [T]hat the fellowship (Greek: “sharing in common”) of thy faith may become effectual, in the knowledge of every good thing which is in you, unto Christ. The seed of Christ that we have received has the potential for the whole plant but it must have the fertile ground of repentance and faith.
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POWER FOR SON-SHIP

Suffering brings about this repentance, which is the suffering on our own spiritual cross of death to self. (Rom.8:16) The Spirit himself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are children of God: (17) and if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with [him], that we may be also glorified with [him]. Notice that “we are children of God” and we will be heirs if we suffer the death of self that Christ may be glorified in us. “Child” is the Greek word teknon, which is always distinct from the word for “son”, which is huios. Jesus is always called the “huios” of God. Vine’s Expository Dictionary describes the difference. “Teknon, a child…gives prominence to the fact of birth, whereas ‘huios’ stresses the dignity and character of the relationship.” A born again spirit makes us a child of God but only a born again soul gives us a pure and mature relationship with Him that a son like Jesus has. Our soul is our character, our mind, will, and emotions. Our spirit is reborn through an initial gift from God of repentance and faith. The soul is born from above by obedience to the Word given to that spirit. (Jas.1:21) Wherefore putting away all filthiness and overflowing of wickedness, receive with meekness the implanted (or rooted) word, which is able to save your souls. “Christians” who will not be ruled by the Word are deluded. (22) But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deluding your own selves. Paul speaks of salvation as a process that Christians must cooperate in by standing in the faith of the Gospel to “hold fast the word” or else they “believed in vain”. (1Cor.15:1) Now I make known unto you brethren, the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye received, wherein also ye stand, (2) by which also ye are (Greek: “are being”) saved, if ye hold fast the word which I preached unto you, except ye believed in vain. The ancient manuscripts, the numeric pattern, and the Received Text say, “are being saved” here. Peter teaches us to see the soul as already saved by faith but he also shows us that obedience to the Word is the method of manifesting soul salvation. (1Pet.1:22) Seeing ye have purified your souls in your obedience to the truth unto unfeigned love of the brethren, love one another from the heart fervently: (23) having been begotten (born) again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, through the word of God. We are to endure in our faith to see the manifestation of soul salvation. (9) [R]eceiving the end of your faith, [even] the salvation of [your] souls. The soul that is born again manifests the nature of Jesus or the nature of son-ship. It is a soul submitted to the spirit that is led by the Spirit of God. (Rom.8:14) For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. To manifest Jesus, the huios of God, is to manifest son-ship. The Scriptures do not teach the lying gospel of “just accept Jesus” that fills churches with tares. Jesus is the One Who does not accept anyone who does not repent, meaning change their mind, and believe the Word.

Just as in Jesus’ day the creation of God was waiting for a Son to come with the Word of deliverance from the curse of corruption, so it is in our day. (19) For the earnest expectation of the creation waiteth for the revealing of the sons of God…. (21) that the creation itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the liberty of the glory of the children of God. In Jesus’ day spiritual children had led His creation into bondage to corrupt religion and sin but God sent His Son to deliver them with the unleavened bread. So it will be in our day. The foundations have been destroyed by many generations of children put in positions of leadership by those who have wanted their ears tickled. In times of apostasy God gives them what they want. (Isa.3:4) And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them. (5) And the people shall be oppressed, every one by another, and every one by his neighbor: the child shall behave himself proudly against the old man (mature), and the base against the honorable. … (12) As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they that lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths. God’s solution will be to reveal His sons whom He will use to restore a repentant remnant with the truth that sets free. Jesus in His first body offered this deliverance to “the lost sheep of the house of Israel” before there was a great falling away, but Jesus in the corporate man-child will offer it to the called of the “whole creation” to restore the elect. (Rom.8:22) For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. The work of the Spirit is to bring us to adoption: spirit, soul, and ultimately body. Jesus was the Son of God abiding in the Son of Man. He was the Son in Spirit and Soul when He still inhabited a body of the seed of David (Rom.1:3). His ability to fully walk in the kingdom came when He received His redeemed, glorified, body. So shall it be with the man-child manifested sons. They will first manifest son-ship in spirit and then progressively in soul through persecution and suffering as it was with Jesus. (Heb.5:8) though he was a Son, yet learned obedience by the things which he suffered; (9) and having been made perfect, he became unto all them that obey him the author of eternal salvation…. Through this stage the man-child sons will minister in power to the called of God as it was with our pattern, Jesus. Then back in Romans we see the last step of full adoption through the new body. (Rom.8:23) And not only so, but ourselves also, who have the first-fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for [our] adoption, [to wit], the redemption of our body.

Our faith, like our Father’s faith, “calleth the things that are not as though they were” (Rom.4:17), so we must claim our son-ship before we see it. (Gal.3:26) For ye are all sons of God, through faith, in Christ Jesus. The manifestation will come to those who walk by faith beholding the Son in the mirror. However, as long as we walk as a child we are servants in bondage and do not realize our heritage of being lords of our Father’s domain. (4:1) But I say that so long as the heir is a child, he differeth nothing from a bondservant though he is lord of all; (2) but is under guardians and stewards until the day appointed of the Father. Servants do not serve for love as sons do and they do not have authority over a father’s domain. All sons are servants of their father but not all servants are sons. Christians who are children are in bondage to the principles of the world. They walk by their physical senses instead of by faith. Sons live according to faith principles of the kingdom. (3) So we also, when we were children, were held in bondage under the rudiments (Greek: “first principles”) of the world: (4) but when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth his Son, born of a woman, born under the law, (5) that he might redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. Paul exhorts children, who walk under law to religion, to receive the gift of son-ship by faith in what Jesus did. Those who seek to be justified by the works of the Law (whether man-made or Old Testament) are children of bondage and cut-off from Christ and grace. (Gal.5:4) Ye are severed from Christ, ye who would be justified by the law; ye are fallen away from grace. For this reason Paul said unto them: (4:19) My little children, of whom I am again in travail until Christ (son-ship) be formed in you. Those who claim their son-ship and the authority and privileges that go with it because of the redemption wrought in Christ are accounted as sons. We are “justified (Greek meaning accounted righteous) by faith in Christ” (2:16). If I believe that “I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I that live, but Christ liveth in me” (20), then I am a son by faith even if I am not yet by manifestation. (3:6) Even as Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned unto him for righteousness. (7) Know therefore that they that are of faith, the same are sons of Abraham. Therefore, if we have received the Spirit of Christ and believe that He now lives in us to do His works, we are sons by faith. (4:6) And because ye are sons, God sent forth the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, Abba, Father. (7) So that thou art no longer a bondservant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir through God. Those who live as joint-heirs with Christ are walking in the faith of son-ship and will manifest His works by God’s power. Jesus said, “He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater [works] than these shall he do; because I go unto the Father (Jn.14:12). God is carefully bringing His servant/children who walk by faith to manifest son-ship, first the man-child and then those disciples who follow in His steps. (Pr.29:21) He that delicately bringeth up his servant from a child shall have him become a son at the last.

While the apostates were waiting for the coming Messiah, He was being manifest in their midst as a man-child born to a woman. According to this type the apostates in our day are waiting for Jesus to come in the sky to save them. The do not understanding that He will come first manifested in the man-child. The Son will come to be manifested only in those children who “abide in Him”. This is what the manifestation of son-ship is. Those who do not manifest son-ship will be “ashamed” like the man without the wedding garment, when they physically see Jesus. (1Jn.2:28) And now, [my] little children, abide in him; that, if he shall be manifested (in us as son-ship), we may have boldness, and not be ashamed before him at his coming (Greek: Parousia, meaning His physical “presence”). Both the ancient manuscripts and the numeric pattern say, “if He be manifested” here. “If” shows that only the “children” who manifest Jesus or son-ship will not be “ashamed” when He comes. The KJV translated this “when He shall appear” because they thought this was a reference to Jesus’ physical coming, which truly is a “when” and not an “if”. A major problem with this translation is it has Jesus’ coming twice at the same time. “When he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.” However “manifested” here is the Greek word Phaneroo, meaning “to appear or make visible”. It comes from the root word Phan meaning “to shine”. The same word used in many other places plainly shows us that the glory of Jesus will “shine” out of our “mortal bodies” to “appear” to the world.

The rest of this text confirms this manifestation of Jesus will come in those who have “confident expectation” of it.
this is a partial chapter- if anyone reads this far and thirsts for more put on a message or email me and i will give the rest but this is alot to eat so far, especially for a message board lol
 
Yes ive seen this in scripture, but it still is a bit of a mystery to me. Have you read Isaiah chapter 66? It also mentions a woman and manchild that God saves in the end. I see it as the birth pains of the last days.

God bless
 
yes- it is the same thing, it is of Jesus in his time and the manchild in the end times like this was saying above. if you would like to read the rest of this chapter it is on americaslastdays under the hidden manna book in the chapter called woman and manchild.
 
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