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Marriage and Divorce - the view of Jesus

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Matthew 5:31-32 Furthermore it has been said, ‘Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.’ But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery. (He does not say that a person who is divorced due to sexual immorality is free to remarry, He says anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.)

Matthew 19:3-12 The Pharisees also came to Him, testing Him, and saying to Him, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for just any reason?"
And He answered and said to them, "Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’ ? So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate."
They said to Him, "Why then did Moses command to give a certificate of divorce, and to put her away?"
He said to them, "Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery." (This is very similar to the passage above)
His disciples said to Him, "If such is the case of the man with his wife, it is better not to marry." (The disciples clearly understand that Jesus is saying there is no case for remarriage otherwise there is no other reason for them to make this statement and Jesus follows with this closing statement)
But He said to them, "All cannot accept this saying, but only those to whom it has been given: For there are eunuchs who were born thus from their mother’s womb, and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He who is able to accept it, let him accept it."

Mark 10:2-12 The Pharisees came and asked Him, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife?" testing Him.
And He answered and said to them, "What did Moses command you?"
They said, "Moses permitted a man to write a certificate of divorce, and to dismiss her."
And Jesus answered and said to them, "Because of the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. But from the beginning of the creation, God ‘made them male and female.’ ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’; so then they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate."
In the house His disciples also asked Him again about the same matter. So He said to them, "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery against her. And if a woman divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery." (No remarriage here either)

Luke 16:18 Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced from her husband commits adultery. (Same as the passages above)

1 Corinthians 7:10-16 Now to the married I command, yet not I but the Lord: A wife is not to depart from her husband. But even if she does depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband. And a husband is not to divorce his wife.
But to the rest I, not the Lord, say: If any brother has a wife who does not believe, and she is willing to live with him, let him not divorce her. And a woman who has a husband who does not believe, if he is willing to live with her, let her not divorce him. For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband; otherwise your children would be unclean, but now they are holy. But if the unbeliever departs, let him depart; a brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases. (This cannot be freedom to marry someone else while your spouse is alive because Paul has already stated this in the paragraph above.) For God has called us to peace. For how do you know, O wife, whether you will save your husband? Or how do you know, O husband, whether you will save your wife?
"This passage is often used to "prove" divorce and remarriage is OK"
God divorced Israel: Jeremiah 3:8 Then I saw that for all the causes for which backsliding Israel had committed adultery, I had put her away and given her a certificate of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah did not fear, but went and played the harlot also. (Many people say God divorced Israel and now has married the Church. God's idea of divorce here is to separate Himself for unrepentant non-elect Israel, In the NT we see in Romans that God has put the nation aside to fulfill His promise to Abraham that through him all the nations of the earth will be blessed and that at a later time He will restore the elect remnant of Israel for His glory and because of His promise to the fathers.)
Read carefully and thoughtfully all of Romans 9-11 w/o using all of the arguments that "reformed" people use to explain it away.
Marriage is a picture of Christ and His church, He will separate Himself from His elect in the sense of discipline to drive them back to Himself, but He will never leave nor forsake even one of them.

Ephesians 5:22-33
Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body. Therefore, just as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything.
Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her, that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word, that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish. So husbands ought to love their own wives as their own bodies; he who loves his wife loves himself. For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as the Lord does the church. For we are members of His body, of His flesh and of His bones. "For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh." This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church. Nevertheless let each one of you in particular so love his own wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband.
Of course I would be happy to discuss any of this with you. The final passage I will quote states one of the major problems with the humanistic view of marriage which makes it merely a means of "legal" sex and companionship rather than what it was designed for to show the love of Christ for His people.

Matthew 24:38-39 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.
God has no regard for ungodly marriages.

1 Corinthians 7:39-40 A wife is bound by law as long as her husband lives; but if her husband dies, she is at liberty to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord. But she is happier if she remains as she is, according to my judgment—and I think I also have the Spirit of God.

-The only biblical case for remarriage.
 
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How does God forgive sin? Are all sins forgiven the same way? Is there any sins that God refuses to forgive, except sin against the Holy Spirit?

What about some Christian who read this thread, and could see they divorced and had no Biblical reason? The should not go back to their former spouse, should they divorce and be single?

Can God forgive and heal who remarried but has no Biblical reason, and clearly sinned so many times it now seems hopless?

If the former spouse has not remarried does this change things?

Why do some christians thing divorce is so much more of a sin compared to all other sins?

May I state that 1 John 1:9 answers all these questions, and just as Jesus told the woman at the well, we are st go and sin no more. Blessings to all of us who have sinned no matter what, where, or who, God forgives when we repent and confess our sins.
 
I left my first husband because I could not live with him, but later found out he was having an affair. My second husband was divorced and had mental problems, My third husband was also divorced and left me for another man. Yet, I was guilty of adultry and begged God's forgiveness, which he gave. He fills me with peace and contentment and I suffer no loneliness. I know I cannot ever remarry and I don't want to. Jesus is all I need.

In God's eyes, sin is a sin, no matter what it is. Remember Moses was denied reaching the Holy Land because his sin was disobeying God. Murder or a lie? The sin is equal. It is a sin.
 
God prefers redemption and restoration but forgive and understands. He Himself was after all a divorcee-

Jer 3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.
 
I have been divorced twice. Both my ex's were abusive in different ways. I do not regret leaving them, I regret marrying them. I have asked forgiveness from God for the mistakes I made on my part during both marriages. My husband has also been married 2x.
I am now remarried. I am very loved by my husband and we have a relationship that we both feel is lead by God. I made mistakes but God used it to lead me where I am now.
 
Isn't it wonderful that God forgives our sins and throws them away as far as the East is to the West, to never remember them again? It would be wonderful if Satan would do the same and not constantly use the past to try to convince us we are not forgiven.
 
Yes!! It is AWESOME that when God forgives us for our mistakes that they are gone!
 
The original poster doesn't have this exactly quite right. There are actually two Biblical reasons for divorce.
The first reason is already posted (Matt 5:32)
Notice even for this reason, it is not a command that you divorce, just an option.

But the second reason is located in 1Cor 7.
1Cor 7:13 And a woman who has an unbelieving husband, and he consents to live with her, she must not send her husband away.
1Cor 7:14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband; for otherwise your children are unclean, but now they are holy.
1Cor 7:15 Yet if the unbelieving one leaves, let them leave; the brother or the sister is not under bondage in such cases, but God has called us to peace.

We know God hates divorce.
Malachi 2:16 "For I hate divorce," says the LORD, the God of Israel, "and him who covers his garment with wrong," says the LORD of hosts. "So take heed to your spirit, that you do not deal treacherously."

We know that God forgives divorce and adultery, as in the woman at the well (John 4:18) , and the case of David and Bathsheba.
We know that God prefers reconciliation if people are divorced (1 Cor 7:11) however there is an exception for this.
If one of them has been intimate with someone else while they were divorced, then they shouldn't get remarried. (Deut 24:1-5)

Of course the best thing, if you are married. Is just to stay married. The grass is always greener, until you get into the pasture.
I am firmly convinced the number one cause of divorce is simply selfishness on one part or another.
 
I agree with BAC. I was in this type of situation. My then husband was cheating on me with another woman and I didn't even suspect. Well, then I started noticing little things. He walked out on me and our 2 year old son...he went right to the other woman. I stayed faithful to this man for 6 years while he lived with the other woman. He was so cruel to me and my children. He would taunt me, he told me if he ever got ahold of our son, he'd 'smack' the Christianity right out of him. It was a battle, but, I finally decided to divorce him. It was a hard decision even though he'd put me through all of that. I didn't want to grieve God. I was quoted what BAC said and then I was okay with it. It's so true too that the grass is always greener on the other side.. until you get over there and see what you really had. This woman he cheated on me with died shortly after our divorce.

Blessings
Tina
 
I've always wanted to marry and start a family one day, but the divorce epidemic here in the USA really discourages me from that notion.
 
Yes it's wonderful and great that God forgives sin, but it's to bad some churches can't when they make a stand on divorce and remarriage. I have read of some who will not allow you to become a member if you divorce and or remarry. Hmmm? That isn't very Christ like now is it. I think I would flee from there.
 
Divorce

There must be few issues more contentious & painful in the Christian life than that of divorce and it is compounded by those who propagate the "Once saved always saved " doctrine because it teaches that -regardless of what one does- salvation is sure to those who once believe. In recent months I have dwelt much on this subject and thankfully stumbled across a Pastor named Phil Schlamp giving what I believe is the most balanced and accurate understanding of this critical subject. The views he expresses are also shared by Richard Caldwell Jr. whose sermons on divorce can be accessed on the same web site. John McArthur and David Pawson (two other well respected preachers) are also well worth listening to on the net as they too emphasise the permanence of the marriage vows in God’s eyes. Much controversy centres round the so called “Exception” clause in Matthew’s gospel but when one realises the distinction between Adultery and Fornication the controversy ends instantly. I recommend these four men of God be listened to as they deal with this important matter because what is at stake is ones eternal destiny. If anyone would like a transcript of the sermon by Phil Schlamp just send me a PM and an address where I can send an email along with it attached. Shalom Hebron
 
There must be few issues more contentious & painful in the Christian life than that of divorce and it is compounded by those who propagate the "Once saved always saved " doctrine because it teaches that -regardless of what one does- salvation is sure to those who once believe. In recent months I have dwelt much on this subject and thankfully stumbled across a Pastor named Phil Schlamp giving what I believe is the most balanced and accurate understanding of this critical subject. The views he expresses are also shared by Richard Caldwell Jr. whose sermons on divorce can be accessed on the same web site. John McArthur and David Pawson (two other well respected preachers) are also well worth listening to on the net as they too emphasise the permanence of the marriage vows in God’s eyes. Much controversy centres round the so called “Exception” clause in Matthew’s gospel but when one realises the distinction between Adultery and Fornication the controversy ends instantly. I recommend these four men of God be listened to as they deal with this important matter because what is at stake is ones eternal destiny. If anyone would like a transcript of the sermon by Phil Schlamp just send me a PM and an address where I can send an email along with it attached. Shalom Hebron


Hebron: What does "Once saved always saved" have to do with divorce? Are those who believe in OSAS responsible for more divorces?
 
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The original poster doesn't have this exactly quite right. There are actually two Biblical reasons for divorce.
The first reason is already posted (Matt 5:32)
Notice even for this reason, it is not a command that you divorce, just an option.

But the second reason is located in 1Cor 7.
1Cor 7:13 And a woman who has an unbelieving husband, and he consents to live with her, she must not send her husband away.
1Cor 7:14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband; for otherwise your children are unclean, but now they are holy.
1Cor 7:15 Yet if the unbelieving one leaves, let them leave; the brother or the sister is not under bondage in such cases, but God has called us to peace.

We know God hates divorce.
Malachi 2:16 "For I hate divorce," says the LORD, the God of Israel, "and him who covers his garment with wrong," says the LORD of hosts. "So take heed to your spirit, that you do not deal treacherously."

We know that God forgives divorce and adultery, as in the woman at the well (John 4:18) , and the case of David and Bathsheba.
We know that God prefers reconciliation if people are divorced (1 Cor 7:11) however there is an exception for this.
If one of them has been intimate with someone else while they were divorced, then they shouldn't get remarried. (Deut 24:1-5)

Of course the best thing, if you are married. Is just to stay married. The grass is always greener, until you get into the pasture.
I am firmly convinced the number one cause of divorce is simply selfishness on one part or another.

Amen. I went through a divorce myself and it was because of her abusive behavior that I had to walk away and I can testify my marriage was not a case of "Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate". God is the one who revealed to me via 3 people, who did not know each other but had same exact experience as I did and believers, that I needed to walk away from my ex wife for good. It made me wiser and stronger and greatly improved my relationship with God. The obstacle was gone.
 
I'm back after a very long time. I've been having a very hectic schedule. Unlike in America, divorce is not so common in India. When God created man, He created the woman as well because He knew that the man could manage all alone by himself. God didn't create woman so that man would divorce her. Divorce is certainly not there in God's dictionary. One very big problem is that men lack respect for women, and that's why there are so many problems like divorce, rape, acid attacks on women, etc. As a Christian I believe that men need to respect women and treat them as a gift that God gave.
 
Yes!! It is AWESOME that when God forgives us for our mistakes that they are gone!


Does God need to forgive our mistakes? I am understanding there is a huge difference between a sin and a mistakes. Sin is not a mistake is it? A mistake as I understand it does not violate Gods will. In my opinion today people don't step up and say "I have sinned". Instead we mickey mouse around and sorta wishisy washisy call a down right sin a mistake. That's just plane ought right not being honest with God, don't you think so?
 
Does God need to forgive our mistakes? I am understanding there is a huge difference between a sin and a mistakes. Sin is not a mistake is it? A mistake as I understand it does not violate Gods will. In my opinion today people don't step up and say "I have sinned". Instead we mickey mouse around and sorta wishisy washisy call a down right sin a mistake. That's just plane ought right not being honest with God, don't you think so?

Good Point and oh so true
 
Nope, I do not think so because in my comment when I said that I am glad God forgives us of our mistakes, I am meaning I am glad God forgives us of our sins. I am not being wishy washy in my comment. Not sure why you thought it meant something else.
 
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