What has everyone been told about masturbation or "self pleasure"? I have been told different things-it is not a sin as long as you don't have lustful thoughts, that it is a sin, etc. It is one of the drawbacks of being single is that you have no sex life (that is, if you don't fornicate and am still a VIRGIN such as myself at 50)! It is one of the top 3 reasons I want to get married along with better finances (2 can live cheaper than 1), having companion to do things with, etc. I went two years without doing it but have started back recently. The devil is trying to get me to look at perverted videos while doing it-too gross to mention. What should I do about this problem? I am going to go to a deliverance place for free deliverance hopefully Wednesday (can't afford to pay anyone-am in bankruptcy now). I am not dating anyone right now and research the web constantly on ways to meet a christian husband along with prayer. Please advise as soon as possible as I don't want to go to hell!
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There are some good answers on this subject at GotQuestions. Also some good info there on "deliverance ministries" that you might benefit from reading.
James 4:17 may be worth pondering as well.
Pray.
James 4:17 may be worth pondering as well.
Pray.
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You're not going to hell!! the entire doctrine of hell is not biblical, so don't focus on it. I wouldn't beat yourself up over it, there is far too much emphasis on living right under the Christian umbrella. It's too much focus on the self and not enough focus on Christ. My suggestion is speak the word of God over yourself over and over again even when it doesn't make sense.
Something simple to say over yourself is
"As Jesus is so am I"
"My father loves me"
See real change in any situation comes from Christ on the inside of us, not through our ability to do right and live right. When we try hard to do the right thing we end up doing the wrong thing, and those that think they can do the right thing are actually deceived with self righteousness. As one starts to see Jesus truly love them, and i mean feel it, the changes occur without your own effort.
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After reading your post over a few times I've noticed a bigger problem than the one you mentioned. It appears to me that you live with a lot of fear, guilt, sin consciousness, and shame. I'm in no way blaming you because like so many believers, deception albeit intentional or accidental, runs rampant. The bible tells us that every person believes what they do is correct so that includes when churchianity begins to teach doctrine on certain topics. My intent is not to make anyone feel less valuable than another, but rather an attempt to show some truth that hopefully pushes you or anyone for that matter, closer to God. The job of every minister, pastor or whatever, should revolve around the sole purpose of encouraging a believer or listener to establish and grow their own personal loving relationship with Yahweh and Jesus independent of any other party.
For this reason, the fundamental building block of the relationship between Christ and you and God and you must be love. One must actually feel loved by Jesus and by God himself. I don't mean you're told that you're loved by God and Jesus from a minster, pastor, priest, best friend, husband, wife, or the neighbor, but rather a person needs to feel loved directly from Christ and directly from God themselves. Sadly, many Christians travel through life never truly feeling loved. They may claim that God loves them because that's what's written or that's someone told them, but they never actually believe it deep in their heart because they've never really experienced it (no fault of their own). See, much of those under the "Christianity" umbrella treat Christianity as a religion and a code to live by and this illustrates just how very little they know about Love.
Now, there are people who have felt Christ love them personally, but once this revelation has come they seek to learn more about Jesus. Since the industry of "Church" has been corrupted these people are taught to join a church to learn more about Jesus. Many times, more often than not, these thirsty and hungry believers are fed church dogma, unbeknownst deception, sin, fear, and the absolute opposite understanding of God's heart. These new believers are now corrupted with churchianity and not true Christianity. I don't speak this from a position of arrogance, but from experience. I too lived in sin consciousness for many decades. I'm not trying to bash "church" or specific churches, but rather the ideology of what church means today. Another topic for another day!
As mentioned above the foundation of a relationship or ANY understanding of God comes from first understanding love. God's plan is to mold us into his image and likeness. To do this, we as people have to get rid of much of the deceit that Satan has instilled in us since our birth, but doing so without any revelation is impossible. While the journey for each person may be different in length the common denominator is starting line of love. You can't learn love, you can't get love, you can't earn love; you can't do anything to make God love you. The starting point for you and everyone is Jesus coming to you to show you that he loves you. This means you don't do anything or have anything to do with his love for you. This is beginning of GRACE.
While you have been taught you are a bad person for the situation you're in, let me remind you that Paul was the worst sinner in the history and future of the world (1 Tim 1:15). This means that Paul was worse that Hitler, or anyone EVER!!! The significance is that Jesus wanted to show that he cane transform the worst of the worst, so if he can transform the worst then he can transform anyone and anything!!! Jesus healed Paul through GRACE and the first thing his eyes saw was GRACE. I don't mean this as entirely figurative, because the man who healed Paul was named Ananias which literally means "Grace". See love comes only by grace. There's no other delivery method or vessel for God's provisions other than Grace (more on why Grace is important). Now grace is a bigger topic, but in my opinion it's something that a believer should learn after they have felt the love of Jesus, not before, so i'll keep this focused on "love" at this moment in time.
Now how does one see, feel, accept, and embrace Jesus' love? I'll show you that it has nothing to do with your ability, effort, or actions.
1 John 4:19
We love because Jesus first loved us.
John 6:44
No one comes to me unless the father who sent me draws them.
2 Cor 4:4
The god of this age (Satan) has blinded the minds of the unbelievers so they can't the see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Jesus.
When you take them all together, as the bible is intended to be understood, you will see that no one can become a believer on their own; it's actually the Holy Spirit who opens the heart, mind, and eyes to Jesus. In return, the person can then feel the love Jesus has for them and by default they are able to love him in return. This is the truth that shall set you and everyone free from Satan's bondage of deception as shown in 2 Cor 4:4.
So in summary Jesus will come to you and reveal his love to you (Psalm 9:1). (He will deliver you, rescue you, heal you and show you his love and salvation). So my advice is to just speak the former bold print over yourself (all the time even if you don't trust it, believe it, or think it will happen) and sit in excitement for his arrival in your life. From there, the changes will occur on the inside of yourself and you will notice that you no longer have desires to do things that you may believe are harmful to you. I too will pray the same verse over you as when two come in his name he will also be there (Matthew 18:20).
After reading your post over a few times I've noticed a bigger problem than the one you mentioned. It appears to me that you live with a lot of fear, guilt, sin consciousness, and shame. I'm in no way blaming you because like so many believers, deception albeit intentional or accidental, runs rampant. The bible tells us that every person believes what they do is correct so that includes when churchianity begins to teach doctrine on certain topics. My intent is not to make anyone feel less valuable than another, but rather an attempt to show some truth that hopefully pushes you or anyone for that matter, closer to God. The job of every minister, pastor or whatever, should revolve around the sole purpose of encouraging a believer or listener to establish and grow their own personal loving relationship with Yahweh and Jesus independent of any other party.
For this reason, the fundamental building block of the relationship between Christ and you and God and you must be love. One must actually feel loved by Jesus and by God himself. I don't mean you're told that you're loved by God and Jesus from a minster, pastor, priest, best friend, husband, wife, or the neighbor, but rather a person needs to feel loved directly from Christ and directly from God themselves. Sadly, many Christians travel through life never truly feeling loved. They may claim that God loves them because that's what's written or that's someone told them, but they never actually believe it deep in their heart because they've never really experienced it (no fault of their own). See, much of those under the "Christianity" umbrella treat Christianity as a religion and a code to live by and this illustrates just how very little they know about Love.
Now, there are people who have felt Christ love them personally, but once this revelation has come they seek to learn more about Jesus. Since the industry of "Church" has been corrupted these people are taught to join a church to learn more about Jesus. Many times, more often than not, these thirsty and hungry believers are fed church dogma, unbeknownst deception, sin, fear, and the absolute opposite understanding of God's heart. These new believers are now corrupted with churchianity and not true Christianity. I don't speak this from a position of arrogance, but from experience. I too lived in sin consciousness for many decades. I'm not trying to bash "church" or specific churches, but rather the ideology of what church means today. Another topic for another day!
As mentioned above the foundation of a relationship or ANY understanding of God comes from first understanding love. God's plan is to mold us into his image and likeness. To do this, we as people have to get rid of much of the deceit that Satan has instilled in us since our birth, but doing so without any revelation is impossible. While the journey for each person may be different in length the common denominator is starting line of love. You can't learn love, you can't get love, you can't earn love; you can't do anything to make God love you. The starting point for you and everyone is Jesus coming to you to show you that he loves you. This means you don't do anything or have anything to do with his love for you. This is beginning of GRACE.
While you have been taught you are a bad person for the situation you're in, let me remind you that Paul was the worst sinner in the history and future of the world (1 Tim 1:15). This means that Paul was worse that Hitler, or anyone EVER!!! The significance is that Jesus wanted to show that he cane transform the worst of the worst, so if he can transform the worst then he can transform anyone and anything!!! Jesus healed Paul through GRACE and the first thing his eyes saw was GRACE. I don't mean this as entirely figurative, because the man who healed Paul was named Ananias which literally means "Grace". See love comes only by grace. There's no other delivery method or vessel for God's provisions other than Grace (more on why Grace is important). Now grace is a bigger topic, but in my opinion it's something that a believer should learn after they have felt the love of Jesus, not before, so i'll keep this focused on "love" at this moment in time.
Now how does one see, feel, accept, and embrace Jesus' love? I'll show you that it has nothing to do with your ability, effort, or actions.
1 John 4:19
We love because Jesus first loved us.
John 6:44
No one comes to me unless the father who sent me draws them.
2 Cor 4:4
The god of this age (Satan) has blinded the minds of the unbelievers so they can't the see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Jesus.
When you take them all together, as the bible is intended to be understood, you will see that no one can become a believer on their own; it's actually the Holy Spirit who opens the heart, mind, and eyes to Jesus. In return, the person can then feel the love Jesus has for them and by default they are able to love him in return. This is the truth that shall set you and everyone free from Satan's bondage of deception as shown in 2 Cor 4:4.
So in summary Jesus will come to you and reveal his love to you (Psalm 9:1). (He will deliver you, rescue you, heal you and show you his love and salvation). So my advice is to just speak the former bold print over yourself (all the time even if you don't trust it, believe it, or think it will happen) and sit in excitement for his arrival in your life. From there, the changes will occur on the inside of yourself and you will notice that you no longer have desires to do things that you may believe are harmful to you. I too will pray the same verse over you as when two come in his name he will also be there (Matthew 18:20).
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Your are absolutely wrong about this. I don't know what bible you've read, but the only Holy Bible clearly states that hell is real, eternal and for those who reject Jesus Christ. Jesus Himself mentions hell more times in the Gospel than Heaven. Doesn't that say something to you? You have some audacity to make such a false claim. If you continue that route, GOD will certainly repay you for twisting His Word around. I suggest you stop, pray and STUDY. Hell is clearly mentioned more than ample times in the OT and NT and is not a light topic whatsoever. As for this forum, do not post such nonsense ever again.
Revelation 22:19
And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.
Heaven.
1. Created by God. Ge 1:1; Re 10:6.
2. Everlasting. Ps 89:29; 2Co 5:1.
3. Immeasurable. Jer 31:37.
4. High. Ps 103:11; Isa 57:15.
5. Holy. De 26:15; Ps 20:6; Isa 57:15.
6. God’s dwelling-place. 1Ki 8:30; Mt 6:9.
7. God’s throne. Isa 66:1; Ac 7:49.
8. God
a. Is the Lord of. Da 5:23; Mt 11:25.
b. Reigns in. Ps 11:4; 135:6; Da 4:35.
c. Fills. 1Ki 8:27; Jer 23:24.
d. Answers his people from. 1Ch 21:26; 2Ch 7:14; Ne 9:27; Ps 20:6.
e. Sends his judgments from. Ge 19:24; 1Sa 2:10; Da 4:13,14; Ro 1:18.
9. Christb. Reigns in. Ps 11:4; 135:6; Da 4:35.
c. Fills. 1Ki 8:27; Jer 23:24.
d. Answers his people from. 1Ch 21:26; 2Ch 7:14; Ne 9:27; Ps 20:6.
e. Sends his judgments from. Ge 19:24; 1Sa 2:10; Da 4:13,14; Ro 1:18.
a. As Mediator, entered into. Ac 3:21; Heb 6:20; 9:12,24.
b. Is all-powerful in. Mt 28:18; 1Pe 3:22.
10. Angels are in. Mt 18:10; 24:36.b. Is all-powerful in. Mt 28:18; 1Pe 3:22.
11. Names of saints are written. Lu 10:20; Heb 12:23.
12. Saints rewarded in. Mt 5:12; 1Pe 1:4.
13. Repentance occasions joy in. Lu 15:7.
14. Lay up treasure in. Mt 6:20; Lu 12:33.
15. Flesh and blood cannot inherit. 1Co 15:50.
16. Happiness of, described. Re 7:16,17.
17. Is called
a. A garner. Mt 3:12.
b. The kingdom of Christ and of God. Eph 5:5.
c. The Father’s house. Joh 14:2.
d. A heavenly country. Heb 11:16.
e. A rest. Heb 4:9.
f. Paradise. 2Co 12:2,4.
18. The wicked excluded from. Ga 5:21; Eph 5:5; Re 22:15.b. The kingdom of Christ and of God. Eph 5:5.
c. The Father’s house. Joh 14:2.
d. A heavenly country. Heb 11:16.
e. A rest. Heb 4:9.
f. Paradise. 2Co 12:2,4.
19. Enoch and Elijah were translated into. Ge 5:24; Heb 11:5; 2Ki 2:11.3
Hell.
1. The place of disembodied spirits. Ac 2:31.
a. Which Christ visited. Lu 23:43; Ac 2:31; 1Pe 3:19.
b. Contains, a place of rest, Abraham’s bosom. Lu 16:23.
c. Paradise. Lu 23:43.
d. And a place of torment. Lu 16:23.
2. The place of future punishmentb. Contains, a place of rest, Abraham’s bosom. Lu 16:23.
c. Paradise. Lu 23:43.
d. And a place of torment. Lu 16:23.
a. Destruction from the presence of God. 2Th 1:9.
3. Described as
a. Everlasting punishment. Mt 25:46.
b. Everlasting fire. Mt 25:41.
c. Everlasting burnings. Isa 33:14.
d. A furnace of fire. Mt 13:42,50.
e. A lake of fire. Re 20:15.
f. Fire and brimstone. Re 14:10.
g. Unquenchable fire. Mt 3:12.
h. Devouring fire. Isa 33:14.
4. Prepared for the devil, &c. Mt 25:41.b. Everlasting fire. Mt 25:41.
c. Everlasting burnings. Isa 33:14.
d. A furnace of fire. Mt 13:42,50.
e. A lake of fire. Re 20:15.
f. Fire and brimstone. Re 14:10.
g. Unquenchable fire. Mt 3:12.
h. Devouring fire. Isa 33:14.
5. Devils are confined in, until the judgment day. 2Pe 2:4; Jude 1:6.
6. Punishment of, is eternal. Isa 33:14; Re 20:10.
7. The wicked shall be turned into. Ps 9:17.
8. Human power cannot preserve from. Eze 32:27.
9. The body suffers in. Mt 5:29; 10:28.
10. The soul suffers in. Mt 10:28.
11. The wise avoid. Pr 15:24.
12. Endeavour to keep others from. Pr 23:14; Jude 1:23.
13. The society of the wicked leads to. Pr 5:5; 9:18.
14. The beast, false prophets, and the devil shall be cast into. Re 19:20; 20:10.
15. The powers of, cannot prevail against the Church. Mt 16:18.
16. Illustrated. Isa 30:33.
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Are you really open to hearing the truth? Because i have concrete evidence. So because you don't agree with my reasoning it's suddenly nonsense and i'm not allowed to prove it? Suddenly I'm not allowed to explain the truth because you don't agree? I think that's quite immature and an abuse of power on your part.
What if you're wrong? What if you were taught incorrectly? You won't even give me the chance to prove it. Instead of saying "Please show me how you've come to that conclusion" you choose to tell me not to talk about it? That's ridiculous.
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The problem here "Just a sheep" is you're the "odd man out". I'd rather not take the chances of there "being no hell" even if it's not in the form of eternal flames, and constant torture. I'd rather have a chance at paradise than take my chance at curtain number 2. Do not put stumbling blocks for others. As for the topic....
25 Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful.
26 I suppose therefore that this is good for the present distress, I say, that it is good for a man so to be.
27 Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife.
28 But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned. Nevertheless such shall have trouble in the flesh: but I spare you.
-Corinthians 7:25-28
As for masturbation... Corinthians 7:8
8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, it is good for them if they abide even as I.
Or better yet we could ask the question, what would jesus do? Even before turning back to god I knew masturbation was a big waste of time. I could of been learning something, or doing something I liked. After a while it just took over a portion of my life. I don't know about female anatomy, but with males you supposedly have more energy by not doing it. I also think it makes me happier by not doing it. Either way it is a bit of a struggle, but I certainly don't want to do it anymore. Those are my old ways, and I don't want that.
25 Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful.
26 I suppose therefore that this is good for the present distress, I say, that it is good for a man so to be.
27 Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife.
28 But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned. Nevertheless such shall have trouble in the flesh: but I spare you.
-Corinthians 7:25-28
As for masturbation... Corinthians 7:8
8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, it is good for them if they abide even as I.
Or better yet we could ask the question, what would jesus do? Even before turning back to god I knew masturbation was a big waste of time. I could of been learning something, or doing something I liked. After a while it just took over a portion of my life. I don't know about female anatomy, but with males you supposedly have more energy by not doing it. I also think it makes me happier by not doing it. Either way it is a bit of a struggle, but I certainly don't want to do it anymore. Those are my old ways, and I don't want that.
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Sometimes I just think we focus too much on sinning and not enough on walking in the footsteps of the Savior.
Let us remember there is no unforgivable sin except for unbelief. This does not mean we should grieve the Holy Spirit's attempts to convict us (purify us) in our daily walk with the LORD. If the LORD is working on our conscience regarding a certain behavior such that we feel a need to endlessly debate whether or not it is even a sin, I believe we have the wrong focus!
The OP says she is struggling with this issue of masturbation, so to her situation we would speak: Do as the Holy Spirit is convicting you to do in this matter! It is obvious to me, at least, that for the OP there is a great deal of angst about this activity and therefore she should deal with it as promptly and as well as the Holy Spirit enables her to do.
In short, James 4:17 should be the rule for us in these matters. To him to knows to do good, and does it not, to him it is sin.
God bless!
Let us remember there is no unforgivable sin except for unbelief. This does not mean we should grieve the Holy Spirit's attempts to convict us (purify us) in our daily walk with the LORD. If the LORD is working on our conscience regarding a certain behavior such that we feel a need to endlessly debate whether or not it is even a sin, I believe we have the wrong focus!
The OP says she is struggling with this issue of masturbation, so to her situation we would speak: Do as the Holy Spirit is convicting you to do in this matter! It is obvious to me, at least, that for the OP there is a great deal of angst about this activity and therefore she should deal with it as promptly and as well as the Holy Spirit enables her to do.
In short, James 4:17 should be the rule for us in these matters. To him to knows to do good, and does it not, to him it is sin.
God bless!
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One more thing I would like to address with this OP.
Please be sure you take your problems to the LORD in prayer, and that you depend upon the Holy Spirit's guidance and enablement in matters that the HS brings to your attention.
My point here is that you stated you are so upset about masturbation that you are going to seek help from a deliverance ministry! BEWARE of that avenue for resolution of your spiritual problems, please! Please, please, please, do not run straight into the "devil's helpers arms" to attempt to get rid of sin in your life! Lean on God, and do good in His Holy Name as He prompts you to do.
Big hug, much love, lots of prayer, GrandmaMary
Please be sure you take your problems to the LORD in prayer, and that you depend upon the Holy Spirit's guidance and enablement in matters that the HS brings to your attention.
My point here is that you stated you are so upset about masturbation that you are going to seek help from a deliverance ministry! BEWARE of that avenue for resolution of your spiritual problems, please! Please, please, please, do not run straight into the "devil's helpers arms" to attempt to get rid of sin in your life! Lean on God, and do good in His Holy Name as He prompts you to do.
Big hug, much love, lots of prayer, GrandmaMary
