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My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?"

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"And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?" (Matthew 27:46)

THERE WAS DARKNESS over all the land unto the ninth hour": this cry came out of that darkness. Expect not to see through its every word, as though it came from on high as a beam from the unclouded Sun of Righteousness. There is light in it, bright, flashing light: but there is a centre of impenetrable gloom, where the soul is ready to faint because of the terrible darkness.

Our Lord was then in the darkest part of his way. He had trodden the winepress now for hours, and the work was almost finished. He had reached the culminating point of his anguish. This is his dolorous lament from the lowest pit of misery—"My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?"

I do not think that the records of time or even of eternity, contain a sentence more full of anguish. Here the wormwood and the gall, and all the other bitternesses, are outdone. Here you may look as into a vast abyss; and though you strain your eyes, and gaze till sight fails you, yet you perceive no bottom; it is measureless, unfathomable, inconceivable. This anguish of the Saviour on your behalf and mine is no more to be measured and weighed than the sin which needed it, or the love which endured it. We will adore where we cannot comprehend.

I have chosen this subject that it may help the children of God to understand a little of their infinite obligations to their redeeming Lord. You shall measure the height of his love, if it be ever measured, by the depth of his grief, if that can ever be known. See with what a price he hath redeemed us from the curse of the law! As you see this, say to yourselves: What manner of people ought we to be! What measure of love ought we to return to one who bore the utmost penalty, that we might he delivered from the wrath to come? I do not profess that I can dive into this deep: I will only venture to the edge of the precipice, and bid you look down, and pray the Spirit of God to concentrate your mind upon this lamentation of our dying Lord, as it rises up through the thick darkness—"My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

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If ever in our lives henceforth we should think that God hath deserted us, let us learn from our Lord's example how to behave ourselves.

If God hath left thee, do not shut up thy Bible; nay, open it, as thy Lord did, and find a text that will suit thee.

If God hath left thee, or thou thinkest so, do not give up prayer; nay, pray as thy Lord did, and be more earnest than ever.

It thou thinkest God has forsaken thee, do not give up thy faith in him; but, like thy Lord, cry thou, "My God, my God," again and again.

If thou hast had one anchor before, cast out two anchors now, and double the hold of thy faith. If thou canst not call Jehovah "Father," as was Christ's wont, yet call him thy "God."

Let the personal pronouns take their hold—"My God, my God." Let nothing drive thee from thy faith. Still hold on Jesus, sink or swim.

As for me, if ever I am lost, it shall be at the foot of the cross. To this pass have I come, that if I never see the face of God with acceptance, yet I will believe that he will be faithful to his Son, and true to the covenant sealed by oaths and blood. He that believeth in Jesus hath everlasting life: there I cling, like the limpet to the rock. There is but one gate of heaven; and even if I may not enter it, I will cling to the posts of its door. What am I saying? I shall enter in; for that gate was never shut against a soul that accepted Jesus; and Jesus saith, "Him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out."

Let us abhor the sin which brought such agony upon our beloved Lord. What an accursed thing is sin, which crucified the Lord Jesus! Do you laugh at it? Will you go and spend an evening to see a mimic performance of it? Do you roll sin under your tongue as a sweet morsel, and then come to God's house, on the Lord's-day morning, and think to worship him? Worship him! Worship him, with sin indulged in your breast! Worship him, with sin loved and pampered in your life!

O sirs, if I had a dear brother who had been murdered, what would you think of me if I valued the knife which had been crimsoned with his blood? —if I made a friend of the murderer, and daily consorted with the assassin, who drove the dagger into my brother's heart? Surely I, too, must be an accomplice in the crime! Sin murdered Christ; will you be a friend to it? Sin pierced the heart of the Incarnate God; can you love it? Oh, that there was an abyss as deep as Christ's misery, that I might at once hurl this dagger of sin into its depths, whence it might never be brought to light again! Begone, sin! Thou art banished from the heart where Jesus reigns! Begone, for thou hast crucified my Lord, and made him cry, "Why hast thou forsaken me?"

O my hearers, if you did but know yourselves, and know the love of Christ, you would each one vow that you would harbour sin no longer. You would be indignant at sin, and cry,

"The dearest idol I have known,

Whate'er that idol be,

Lord, I will tear it from its throne,

And worship only thee,"

May that be the issue of my morning's discourse, and then I shall be well content. The Lord bless you! May the Christ who suffered for you, bless you, and out of his darkness may your light arise! Amen.



-excerpt C. H. SPURGEON,
to read entire message: (powerful!)
http://www.abideinchrist.com/spurgeon/spurgeon-lamasabachthani.html
 
Amen........

"The dearest idol I have known,

Whate'er that idol be,

Lord, I will tear it from its throne,

And worship only thee,"
 
My two cents

"And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?" (Matthew 27:46)
I don't see this as correct - this one of those things, where people would ask, 'If God would do this to his own Son, then he can't be a God of love'. The whole notion of God leaving his son to have that happen to him seems fundamentally flawed- and if Jesus was God then he would've known it, and thus wouldn't have asked why he had been forsaken by his Father-- or himself.

I see the Bible as being mistranslated from Aramaic into Greek, where certain sounds in the language are not present- and thus changing the meaning of what could've been said.

Eil, Eil, l'manna sh'wik-thani = Eil, Eil, wherefore hast thou vouchsafed me, which actually means, 'God, God, this was my destiny' or something along the lines, where he has stated that his mission on Earth was complete. This makes a lot more sense than being forsaken.

We can understand how it would be mistranslated by people if we translate it into Greek, remembering of course that there are various sounds not in Greek which are in Aramaic, and vice-versa, and also Latin. As this goes along the sounds are changing, probably changing in meaning as they go along.

Eil Eil l'mana sh'wik-thani

We're already in a problem here translating it into Greek: Why? There is no "SH" sound in Greek. Nor is there a 'W' sound.
Ειλ Ειλ Λ'μανα σευικθανι

However,
If the sound "w" could be mistranslated as somewhere between a W and a V, or a B and a V, as some sounds are, then:
Ειλ Ειλ λ'μανα σβκθανι

Problem. "LM" and "SB" are not allowed in Greek (or at least I don't think they were in Ancient Greek). So they would've been pronounced differently, as a kind of schwa.

Because "EIL" would not have been a known word for God by the others, but "EL" is a very famous word in Hebrew- look on all of the names, Michael, Gabriel, Uriel, etc - and "i" is a possessive pronoun in some Semitic languages, probably Hebrew but I can't be 100% sure, it would've become "ELI" - My El (God).

Bearing in mind, it's now pronounced something like 'Eli Eli Lumana Sub[b/v]akthani.' - There is no schwa in Greek, so it could've just fell along to:
Ελι Ελι λαμανα σαβακθανι .
Eli Eli lamana sabakthani


I have no idea where 'na' goes. Maybe the paper it's on falls off, or they think 'this can't be right' and remove it.
In Latin, it would've probably been:
ELI ELI LAMA[NA] SABAKTHANI
or, in original Aramaic
EIL EIL LMANA SVIKTHANI



This is just a possibility, this is what I personally believe could've, or probably did, happen. It makes more sense to imagine the language mutating from one to the other and becoming something different.

Just my two cents.

Sources:
omniglot com
v-a com
wikipedia org
Plus my own research. :-P
 
My take on this is what Christ said on the cross about being forsaken, is prophetic...read Psalms 22. I believe Christ was not being forsaken, but prophecying about his death, and quoting from King David. As you'll also see the prophecy about the nails in his hands in the same Psalm, and the parting of his garments, all to me very prophetic... So yes, i dont believe God was forsaking Christ on the cross when Christ said this. We are cast down but not forsaken,:star: Christ also said i will never leave you or forsake you.

God bless
 
From: IVP New Testament Commentary

As Jesus dies broken, his Father vindicates him with signs in nature--signs that only Jesus' pagan executioners are shown to understand.Jesus Dies Wounded but Trusting His Father (27:45-46) That Jesus utters the complaint of the righteous sufferer (Ps 22:1) suggests that he participated in our ultimate alienation from God in experiencing the pain of death. Yet he would also know that the psalm goes on to declare the psalmist's triumph (Ps 22:22-24), and the phrase my God indicates continuing trust.To the End, His Opponents Do Not Understand His Identity (27:47-49)

The Gospel has come full circle: again the religious leaders of Israel have missed the significance of Jesus, whereas the pagans one would expect to be most hostile to Christ have understood and embraced his true identity (2:1-12). Matthew's message to his Jewish Christian audience is clear: regardless of the response of the Jewish religious leaders, you must evangelize the Gentiles. His message to us today is no less clear: although church people often live in disobedience to the gospel and take Christ for granted, we must take him beyond the walls of our churches to a waiting world.

From: Got questions. org
Here, Jesus was expressing His feelings of abandonment as God placed the sins of the world on Him – and because of that had to “turn away” from Jesus. As Jesus was feeling that weight of sin, He was feeling separated from God for the only time in all of eternity. It was at this time that 2 Corinthians 5:21 occurred, “God made Him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God.” Jesus became sin for us, so He felt loneliness and abandonment - separation from God.

What is the punishment for sin? Eternal separation from God. God's plan was to place the sins of the world (future included) on to Jesus while on the cross. This way, our sins would die on the cross and be forgiven/forgotten. It was the only way God could unfold His plan for our salvation. It was the way the Law was written. The Jews would sacrifice a spotless lamb to atone for the sins of themselves and their family. God needed a lamb much MUCH more spotless (sinless) than the Jews because His family is sooooo much larger! That Lamb was Jesus Christ!
So at the very moment that God placed our sins on Jesus, He became separated from God. Jesus anguished more over this very thing than the beatings He took, or the nails being driven through His flesh. He remained silent throughout the whole ordeal, until He became separated from God. That speaks volumes about the fate awaiting the unbelievers!
You say that God couldn't be a God of Love? Consider this: He waited until just moments before Jesus died to place sin on him. Not hours or days, seconds. God knew the anguish Jesus would feel, and chose to limit it as much as possible. However, it had to be done. Why you ask? He did it for US. For you and me, and sinners everywhere. Now we musk ask why would he do this for us...why sacrifice His own Son for us? This is an easy one.
John 3:16
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

He loves us! :love: GLORY TO GOD IN THE HIGHEST!!!!:love: You are the Lord! Great is your name upon all the earth! The heavens declare you are Glorious! HOLY HOLY HOLY! You lead us by still water and into mercy! Oh Lord, remember your people, and your promise! Your grace is sufficient! The week lead the strong, the wise are shown foolish! Holy Holy is the Lord! Where were we when you placed the foundations of the earth? We are but fleeting vapors in the wind, but you are forever and ever! Rain down Your Love on us! AMEN
 
Psalms 22

I also believe Psalms 22 says {God} {God} l'mana shwikthani - but not 'Eil', because 'Eil' is not a name most know - secret name, maybe, which only his son/himself would know?

Jesus wouldl't be trusting God if he didn't know what God had planned for him. :) So I think of the psalm as saying what I mentioned earlier, but still significant.
 
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