My thoughts are not your thoughts

[Trevor]

Debate is to challenge, There are scriptures that stretch our reasoning and to meditate on them, is to expand our understanding. So here's something to get our teeth into. Moses was given the tablets of the law from God and the believers were called to obey them, and disobedience brought judgement on the perpetrators. This however, didn't appear to apply to God. Cain murdered Abel (thou shalt not kill) what did God do about this? It wasn't an eye for an eye, even though Cain was punished for what he did, God put a protection on him in the form of a mark, warning off anyone who wished him harm. Then there was Abraham, who lied to Abimelech regarding his wife Sarah, he told Abimelech Sarah was his sister. ( you shall not bear false wittness) Abimelech was furious after trying to make Sarah his wife and facing God, who told him the truth. Abraham was mightily blessed by God. Jacob stole Esau's birthright (you shall not covet and you shall not steal) and he did it by deceiving his father. Jacob was mightily blessed by God. David sent Uriah to the front line of battle so that he would be killed, because he, David, had committed adultery with Bathsheba, Uriah's wife, and he wanted her for himself ( you shall not commit adultery or murder). Although David paid a price, he was blessed by God. So it seems that God's ways are most definitely not our ways. Any thoughts?

 

[BlessedBeyondBelief]

Anyone one whom God chose to have an intimate relationship with has had and would have areas of weakness and sin (outside of Enoch).

It shows much grace He truly give us because none of what we are and have, we deserve. He calls us to much greater heights but is still willing to meet us where we are.

He is one of a kind indeed.

 

[Trevor]

Anyone one whom God chose to have an intimate relationship with has had and would have areas of weakness and sin (outside of Enoch).

It shows much grace He truly give us because none of what we are and have, we deserve. He calls us to much greater heights but is still willing to meet us where we are.

He is one of a kind indeed.

You'r right, b. b. b, and if our Father forgives, surely it behoves us to do the same. There are two states of being, love and hatred. The elect function in the former. Satan's job is to tempt us into the later. Our resistance strengthens us and convinces us of our authority over him. Our Lord starts us in our training gently until, like Job, we can stand the full force and become full grown. Bless you.

 

[Brother-Paul]

Have we ever questioned the Highway code? I doubt if any one has questioned it, because it is the authority and rules for safe driving.

Then how can we question God, our creator, who has all authority and power for safe living and life.

God is infinite, we are finite. He made me, how can I question my maker?

Isaiah 55:8-9 (NKJV)
For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways," says the LORD.
For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways, And My thoughts than your thoughts.

Romans 13:1 (NKJV)
Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.

We are to fear him, he is omniscience, omnipotent, omnipresent. I cannot question His Word or Authority. I am weak but thou art mighty.

Psalm 86:11 (NKJV)
Teach me Your way, O LORD; I will walk in Your truth; Unite my heart to fear Your name.

Romans 11:33-36 (NKJV)
Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out!
For who has known the mind of the LORD? Or who has become His counselor?"
Or who has first given to Him And it shall be repaid to him?"
For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen.

Hosea 14:9 (NKJV)
Who is wise? Let him understand these things. Who is prudent? Let him know them. For the ways of the LORD are right; The righteous walk in them, But transgressors stumble in them.

Not the answer I think you were looking for, but scripture speaks volumes and The Words are powerful.

Bless you

 

[Trevor]

Have we ever questioned the Highway code? I doubt if any one has questioned it, because it is the authority and rules for safe driving.

Then how can we question God, our creator, who has all authority and power for safe living and life.

God is infinite, we are finite. He made me, how can I question my maker?

Isaiah 55:8-9 (NKJV)
For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways," says the LORD.
For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways, And My thoughts than your thoughts.

Romans 13:1 (NKJV)
Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.

We are to fear him, he is omniscience, omnipotent, omnipresent. I cannot question His Word or Authority. I am weak but thou art mighty.

Psalm 86:11 (NKJV)
Teach me Your way, O LORD; I will walk in Your truth; Unite my heart to fear Your name.

Romans 11:33-36 (NKJV)
Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out!
For who has known the mind of the LORD? Or who has become His counselor?"
Or who has first given to Him And it shall be repaid to him?"
For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen.

Hosea 14:9 (NKJV)
Who is wise? Let him understand these things. Who is prudent? Let him know them. For the ways of the LORD are right; The righteous walk in them, But transgressors stumble in them.

Not the answer I think you were looking for, but scripture speaks volumes and The Words are powerful.

Bless you

Hi Paul, I don't believe I was looking for an answer, but if you disagree with anything I've written I would be pleased to know. Everything you've written in your post I agree with.

 

[Ivan Chamurliev]

Debate is to challenge, There are scriptures that stretch our reasoning and to meditate on them, is to expand our understanding. So here's something to get our teeth into. Moses was given the tablets of the law from God and the believers were called to obey them, and disobedience brought judgement on the perpetrators. This however, didn't appear to apply to God. Cain murdered Abel (thou shalt not kill) what did God do about this? It wasn't an eye for an eye, even though Cain was punished for what he did, God put a protection on him in the form of a mark, warning off anyone who wished him harm. Then there was Abraham, who lied to Abimelech regarding his wife Sarah, he told Abimelech Sarah was his sister. ( you shall not bear false wittness) Abimelech was furious after trying to make Sarah his wife and facing God, who told him the truth. Abraham was mightily blessed by God. Jacob stole Esau's birthright (you shall not covet and you shall not steal) and he did it by deceiving his father. Jacob was mightily blessed by God. David sent Uriah to the front line of battle so that he would be killed, because he, David, had committed adultery with Bathsheba, Uriah's wife, and he wanted her for himself ( you shall not commit adultery or murder). Although David paid a price, he was blessed by God. So it seems that God's ways are most definitely not our ways. Any thoughts?

Interesting, I haven't thought in this exact way before. Yes, it looks like mercy played his part there. We all know that Christ is the mercy of God toward humanity and one day He will judge the human kind as well. It means that the sacrifice that He made was in vigor already there, at that time. We can see mercy shown in the old testament, but just in part, just in some cases, mostly to accomplish God's plan for the humanity. The only way for God to show mercy is trough Christ. That's why even if the sacrifice wasn't made yet, in some situations the people could still benefit from it, because God had already preappointed for it to happen one day. We see that He holds everything and everything is for Him, by Him and through Him.
That's why God kept us in life, because of His sacrifice, so that He can give us opportunity. All of us owe too much to Christ.
Colossians 1:16
"For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him."

 

[Brother-Paul]

Hi Paul, I don't believe I was looking for an answer, but if you disagree with anything I've written I would be pleased to know. Everything you've written in your post I agree with.

Greeting brother,

You were not looking for an answer my friend, but I felt at the end, that what I had posted was probably not based on the angle you may have hoped for, but I did feel it is right with scripture and was worth adding, just my thoughts Trevor.

Bless you

 

[PloughBoy]

Nice Thread: "My thoughts are not your thoughts" So I can make a light assumption with my finite mind, to see what the infinite being has left us His intentions of our existence through His written Word and I am commanded to lean not upon my own understanding and to "trust in the Lord [Thy WORD] with all of my heart and lean not unto my own understanding, and in "all" of my ways consult "HIM" and "He" will direct me, the path to walk in.
[ a little bit of paraphrasing].

As i read the replying posts i became intrigue and how fascinating how the "Holy Scripture" in the memory banks of my mind, came alive, as if, it was a whisper of total enlightenment dust, that fell from His feet from "Genesis to Revelation"! I saw the "Salvation Story". Abel and Cain, Cain to Noah, all was sinners, Enoch sinner, Noah and his family sinners, Abraham, Lot, Sarah, Hagar, sinners, Isaac , Ishmael, sinners, Jacob and Esau sinners, and on and on, sinners, everyone of them suffered, in mind, in spirit and in the flesh, suffered, Even before the Law of GOD was given, sinners, The LAW Had to be given to let them know they where sinners. Without the LAW of God we would not know we are sinners, Where there is no Law, there is no knowledge of sin. But where there is no Law, there is the Consciousness of God,

Cain and Abel, Abraham and Lot, Isaac , Ishmael, Noah, Enoch, JOB = "no Law but Consciousness of God" call it mercy, grace, a gift, reason= purpose of GOD.

Then we have "David and Bathsheba" under the Law of God, God said: in NT I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy. He did not kill David and Bathsheba but David Suffered greatly with tremendous pain and mental anguish. It is all written down of what he went through the events he endured with great grief and plus the words and songs he pen in the "Psalms". But it was all meant to be, To complete the mission that started before the foundation of the World, in the words of "Let Us make man in Our Image"

God the Father, did His work from the dirt, Jesus Has done His work, through the cross, [He said : it is Finish] Then God sent the "Holy Spirit" to do His work in us "the Elect" shaping and molding "us" into the finishing image, and at the precise moment, in the "twinkling of an eye" i do not know, what we are going to look like! But when we see HIM! WE are going to be Just like Him! It takes all of that from Genesis to Revelation to get there! There is no other path, only one door. My thoughts are not your thoughts!

 

[Brother-Paul]

PTL brother great post, I am sure we can feel the Spirit moving in our hearts.

To God be the Glory, The Truth is in The Word.