No man's land.

[cmd73]

Fixed your faults?
Did other things with Faith?
See that you were a loss?

Can you elaborate a little on this.
It's starting to make sense.
Blessings

Having mental illness (Schizophrenia) is a serious fault that this particular God just wouldn't heal. I've had to live with it's destructive symptoms most of my life, but no matter how much faith I had I was left to battle the illness myself.

It is evident to me that this God was never to cure me because in the 14 year's of believing and following God I continued to be symptomatic and sick.

The illness in itself made it almost impossible to function, all I had was my faith in God that one day I'd be free from the brutal effects of schizophrenia, but like I said nothing ever got done.

However now I've turned my back on that hope, I function a whole lot better. Now I see the benefits of dealing with my illness my way, rather than wait on this God to come through for me.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Now I see the benefits of dealing with my illness my way, rather than wait on this God to come through for me.

You say your way.
You say you function a whole lot better.

Could you not do this as you trusted God?
Sounds like you are able to function better this way.

Could what you were dealing with interfered with you as you trusted God?

 

[Born Again 2004]

However now I've turned my back on that hope, I function a whole lot better. Now I see the benefits of dealing with my illness my way, rather than wait on this God to come through for me.

• Sorry to hear about you plight!
• I know nothing of your diseases but do have family members that suffer from Bi-polar ism. Maybe it is totally removed from Schizophrenia but I know, if they stay on medication they are capable living normal happy lives.
• I can see where it may be easy to blame God but I still think he will work in your life!

 

[cmd73]

You say your way.
You say you function a whole lot better.

Could you not do this as you trusted God?
Sounds like you are able to function better this way.

Could what you were dealing with interfered with you as you trusted God?

Why, when this God is fully capable of fixing what's wrong. In fact I suspect that a lot of my mental illness was compounded by belief itself.

 

[cmd73]

• Sorry to hear about you plight!
• I know nothing of your diseases but do have family members that suffer from Bi-polar ism. Maybe it is totally removed from Schizophrenia but I know, if they stay on medication they are capable living normal happy lives.
• I can see where it may be easy to blame God but I still think he will work in your life!

Life works in itself, if people let life work.

 

[cmd73]

Take my addiction to pornography, nothing was resolved when I trusted this God to find me a way out.

He says in the new testament that if you hold out with him he'll find you a way out, but there's no way out when you continue to have urges.

What's that you say? "Marriage"

That's not a way out, that's using someone to circumvent my lusts.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Take my addiction to pornography, nothing was resolved when I trusted this God to find me a way out.

He won't step up and turn it off for you. Your way out would start with you taking the first step. Shut it off. Say no and walk away. Then you would find His strength and way out.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Why, when this God is fully capable of fixing what's wrong. In fact I suspect that a lot of my mental illness was compounded by belief itself.

I don't know what you did or did not do during this time but God is not the problem

 

[cmd73]

He won't step up and turn it off for you. Your way out would start with you taking the first step. Shut it off. Say no and walk away. Then you would find His strength and way out.

I don't know what you're thinking here, but I don't suffer any religious guilt for viewing pornography anymore. I treat it as I would a chocolate cake, I don't eat too much.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

I don't know what you're thinking here, but I don't suffer any religious guilt for viewing pornography anymore. I treat it as I would a chocolate cake, I don't eat too much.

So is it safe to say you never did anything about the porn as you waited for your healing/deliverance from Schizophrenia?

 

[Born Again 2004]

Life works in itself, if people let life work.

Do you take medication for your illness?
Are you under a Doctor's care?

 

[cmd73]

So is it safe to say you never did anything about the porn as you waited for your healing/deliverance from Schizophrenia?

Oh yes I did, I visted the 12 step program, I threw out my TV, computer, had a accountability buddy, bought a phone without the internet. I hated being a lust addict, I was riddled with guilt spiritually (I thought)

I did everything on my end, what else could I do but wait on Jesus to help overcome the cravings that remained.

 

[cmd73]

Do you take medication for your illness?
Are you under a Doctor's care?

Yes, but not because I have to, because I want to.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Oh yes I did, I visted the 12 step program, I threw out my TV, computer, had a accountability buddy, bought a phone without the internet. I hated being a lust addict, I was riddled with guilt spiritually (I thought)

I did everything on my end, what else could I do but wait on Jesus to help overcome the cravings that remained.

Not familiar with the 12 step and God.
I agree you did a lot but it seems it was all in your strength.

Something is off because you should not have had to deal with the cravings that long.

I feel there are some missing pieces to the puzzle here.

 

[cmd73]

Not familiar with the 12 step and God.
I agree you did a lot but it seems it was all in your strength.

Something is off because you should not have had to deal with the cravings that long.

I feel there are some missing pieces to the puzzle here.

God is supposed give me the strength, that's the bottom line. If I do what I can and not allow pornography in to my home, I'm still going to be left with my lust problem. That problem still has to be dealt with, and I thought that this God was in the business of doing that.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

I'm still going to be left with my lust problem. That problem still has to be dealt with, and I thought that this God was in the business of doing that.

We don't sit around and wait for Him to do something about it. We use His Word against it and He backs it.

If I am not being nosey, what group of Christians were you connected with?
The first bunch I was connected to did nothing to equip me to stand and over come and I had hell on earth for about 20 some years. Felt like I was left out to dry.

At one point I just said forget this and went back to my old life for the most part. Things were better for awhile then the rug got pulled out from under me and I knew I needed something else.

That's when I found God in a more Real and Personal Way and it has not been the same since.

Bottom line it was not God fault but my own. I had issues with Him because nothing worked out for me like it did for others. I have to admit, I was the one causing my own problems.

 

[cmd73]

We don't sit around and wait for Him to do something about it. We use His Word against it and He backs it.

If I am not being nosey, what group of Christians were you connected with?
The first bunch I was connected to did nothing to equip me to stand and over come and I had hell on earth for about 20 some years. Felt like I was left out to dry.

At one point I just said forget this and went back to my old life for the most part. Things were better for awhile then the rug got pulled out from under me and I knew I needed something else.

That's when I found God in a more Real and Personal Way and it has not been the same since.

Bottom line it was not God fault but my own. I had issues with Him because nothing worked out for me like it did for others. I have to admit, I was the one causing my own problems.

In this context ask yourself, who's responsible when it comes to true rehabilitation over your sin?

You or God?

If the job of overcoming your sin is up to you then this God is doing nothing. If the job of overcoming your sin is up to God then you can do nothing.
You blended both these positions together, maybe to make it sound plausible that God will eventually do something. But as I said, I resisted to the best of my ability and God didn't move me the rest of the way.

What about my schizophrenia? That's not a sin, but still a fault that had to be addressed if I had any chance to be mentality stable. Without mental stability it's quite difficult to relate to the world around me, let alone an invisible one.

 

[KingJ]

Anyway, there's nothing in the Bible about an age of accountability.

How do you explain Num 14:29? Your carcases shall fall in this wilderness; and all that were numbered of you, according to your whole number, from twenty years old and upward, which have murmured against me.

 

[KingJ]

No matter how much I tried to believe, no matter how much I bent my knee, no matter how much I gave up for Jesus, I never found him.

In the end faith collapsed in on it self, I was left with less than nothing and a hole in my life. My family was lost, my friend's abandoned me and my daughter almost had me thrown into prison.

And in all this trouble, nowhere was this God to be found.

Sorry to hear what you have gone through. It sounds terrible.

But in defense of God, He made you, He died for you, He gave you His word, He has given people to talk to you, He has given you a working brain.....yet....??

God does step back, to allow for free will. If we draw near to Him, He will draw near to us James 4:8. Though we also need to grasp that He wants to see what we are made of. He is like a rich man looking for a bride who actually wants to be with Him.

Many Christians are suffering and feel abandoned by God. If we judge ourselves to not be in sin, we have to accept it as God's will and endure. One read of Job, paints that picture clearly.

 

[KingJ]

Hebrews 6:4-6
For it is impossible to bring back to repentance those who were once enlightened--those who have experienced the good things of heaven and shared in the Holy Spirit,

I would argue that if this has truly happened, the person in question will be dead and in Hades.

James 1:15 Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full grown, gives birth to death.

There is a theme throughout scripture of sin / rebellion needing to be full measure before God's wrath of destruction and death. Until then, God does not give up on anyone and nor should we.