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No Redemption for Angels

lentz

lentz

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Man is made a little lower than the Angels and can be forgiven of sins.
Angels were made higher than man,but their is no salvation,no sacrifice,no redemption for those that are fallen.
Man can come to Christ, the fallen Angels are reserved in chains.
I thank God he created me as a human and not an Angel.
 
lentz said:
Man is made a little lower than the Angels and can be forgiven of sins.
Angels were made higher than man,but their is no salvation,no sacrifice,no redemption for those that are fallen.
Man can come to Christ, the fallen Angels are reserved in chains.
I thank God he created me as a human and not an Angel.
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Angels don't have to contend with the sorrows of this life. They were not called by faith to have a relationship with God without physically seeing Him.

They have seen His face and His glory, they have no excuse.

The Scripture says that we will judge the angels, I believe that to be the fallen angels.

This pretty much tells me that angels will be subject to the redeemed of God throughout eternity.

I agree, even though I have to experience this thing called life, I'm still glad that He made me a human being.
 
Does God say.... does scripture say that no fallen angels will be forgiven? Mercy... a path to salvation is given to only mankind? Certainly not satan and most of his followers, but angels obviously changed their minds at least once and chose the wrong path, you believe they dont deserve a chance at redemption?
 
Brad Huber said:
Does God say.... does scripture say that no fallen angels will be forgiven? Mercy... a path to salvation is given to only mankind? Certainly not satan and most of his followers, but angels obviously changed their minds at least once and chose the wrong path, you believe they dont deserve a chance at redemption?
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Do you think you would deserve another chance after you had been with God, seen Him and knew His glory, but turn from that to evil?

They know they are doomed! Even when Christ cast these demons out, not a single one asked for forgiveness for turning on God.
 
Col 1:20 And having made peace by the blood of His cross to reconcile ALL things unto Himself; by Him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

I know most won't see it this way but what has Satan done that he was not granted the ability to do by the Father. The primary examples are
Eves deceiving which God who knows everything before He made the world, thus knew that was gonna happen, along with Adams disobedience,
Jobs almost destruction by Satan, which God took credit for in the end, and the temptation of Jesus which was necessary for His maturation/perfecting,
and in Rev it speaks of Satan throwing some elect in prison for 10 days and to be faithful unto death. Wonder why that is allowed? Perfecting others?

We say that Satan rebelled but why hasn't God simply destroyed him already, but rather will have another angel put him in chains and keep him bound for 1000yrs
then released to gather the nations against the kingdom at the end of that age.
Is it not apparent that even he serves the will of God even though he might believe he is serving his own will?

Col 1:20 says alot when one considers just exactly what ALL things are. I let the Bible stand for itself and make no claim here.

But would add that we who will judge angels will judge them according to how they fulfilled the will of God. Do we really understand what their purpose was
in ALL cases? As of now I can say undoubtedly NO!
And like Michael will not bring a railing accusation against anything, as I am told to judge nothing before the time!
 
Samson2020 said:
Col 1:20 And having made peace by the blood of His cross to reconcile ALL things unto Himself; by Him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

I know most won't see it this way but what has Satan done that he was not granted the ability to do by the Father. The primary examples are
Eves deceiving which God who knows everything before He made the world, thus knew that was gonna happen, along with Adams disobedience,
Jobs almost destruction by Satan, which God took credit for in the end, and the temptation of Jesus which was necessary for His maturation/perfecting,
and in Rev it speaks of Satan throwing some elect in prison for 10 days and to be faithful unto death. Wonder why that is allowed? Perfecting others?

We say that Satan rebelled but why hasn't God simply destroyed him already, but rather will have another angel put him in chains and keep him bound for 1000yrs
then released to gather the nations against the kingdom at the end of that age.
Is it not apparent that even he serves the will of God even though he might believe he is serving his own will?

Col 1:20 says alot when one considers just exactly what ALL things are. I let the Bible stand for itself and make no claim here.

But would add that we who will judge angels will judge them according to how they fulfilled the will of God. Do we really understand what their purpose was
in ALL cases? As of now I can say undoubtedly NO!
And like Michael will not bring a railing accusation against anything, as I am told to judge nothing before the time!
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I understand where you’re coming from, but when Jesus cast out the demons,they asked would he torment them before the time?
Revelation spells it out that the fallen angels would be cast into hell with Satan. Jude tells us some are in chains awaiting such.
It seems their judgment is already been made public.
 
Charlie24 said:
Do you think you would deserve another chance after you had been with God, seen Him and knew His glory, but turn from that to evil?

They know they are doomed! Even when Christ cast these demons out, not a single one asked for forgiveness for turning on God.
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So no scripture, its just what you would prefer to believe?
 
lentz said:
I understand where you’re coming from, but when Jesus cast out the demons,they asked would he torment them before the time?
Revelation spells it out that the fallen angels would be cast into hell with Satan. Jude tells us some are in chains awaiting such.
It seems their judgment is already been made public.
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I would say that maybe our understanding of their judgement is clouded.
An angel is not subject to the same fates as a human, that is to die in the flesh, thus hell(the grave) doesn't belong to the angels. Will they be cast into the lake
of fire? Sure, but why? Do they exist to fulfill some purpose today? Indeed, for a sign of a true believer is their casting out. Been there done that. So did Jesus,
but why are they allowed to entice humans to sin? Why has God allowed them to even be here with us?

I would add one set of scripture to Col 1:20 and that would be Rom 8:20 For the creature(creation) was MADE SUBJECT TO VANITY, NOT WILLINGLY, BUT BY
REASON OF HIM(GOD) WHO HATH SUBJECTED THE SAME IN HOPE.
21-BECAUSE THE CREATURE(CREATION) ITSELF SHALL ALSO BE DELIVERED FROM THE BONDAGE OF CORRUPTION INTO THE GLORIOUS LIBERTY
OF THE CHILDREN OF GOD.

So we have 2 witnesses here in Col 1:20 and Rom 8:20-21 that states ALL things are to be reconciled back to the Father, not saved in an angels sense but
nevertheless reconciled. And this agrees with Rom 8:20-21 in that creation was subjected to vanity by the Father with a positive outcome intended.
And when that outcome has been achieved the vanity that He put it under will no longer be necessary.

We think like carnal minded humans in the worst way, in that we condemn everything to a torment of unspeakable proportions just because we do not
truly understand the purpose of the lake of fire, nor angels, not even sinners. But God has a purpose for everything as "All things work to the good to
those that love His appearing"
If God wants you to see their value and what they truly are accomplishing, then He will have to show it to you. Line upon line..............
 
No.
Angels are not the same as us. Jesus is not their redemption.
Satan and that 1/3 are forever damned.
 
Charlie24 said:
Matt. 25:41

"Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:"
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If they repented, they wouldnt be his angels anymore, again, why are they deserving no mercy in your opinion?
 
Brad Huber said:
If they repented, they wouldnt be his angels anymore, again, why are they deserving no mercy in your opinion?
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They don't want repentance, they have chosen from the beginning of Satan's revolt to follow Satan and enjoy evil until their Judgement comes.

They know this judgement is coming, One of Satan's demons said this to Christ when He cast them out.

Matt. 8:28-29

And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way.

"And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?"

These demons were speaking of their judgement to come. They knew Jesus was the Christ, and they knew they had to obey Him.
 
Charlie24 said:
They don't want repentance, they have chosen from the beginning of Satan's revolt to follow Satan and enjoy evil until their Judgement comes.

They know this judgement is coming, One of Satan's demons said this to Christ when He cast them out.

Matt. 8:28-29

And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way.

"And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?"

These demons were speaking of their judgement to come. They knew Jesus was the Christ, and they knew they had to obey Him.
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If they were such rebellious angels why did they have to obey Jesus?
And having obeyed his commands what exactly did those unclean spirits do that wasn’t allowed them to do?
 
Charlie24 said:
Do you think you would deserve another chance after you had been with God, seen Him and knew His glory, but turn from that to evil?

They know they are doomed! Even when Christ cast these demons out, not a single one asked for forgiveness for turning on God.
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The angels who left heaven, raped women giving birth to hybrids, nah. No forgiveness in my opinion. But as biblical folks have warned, i do not declare judgement on them.

The disembodied spirits of the nephilim, the demons. Nah, not the ones that have crossed over some minimum threshold. No forgiveness in my opinion. Same caveat as above.

I am partial to thinking that some of the demons have not sinned. If such is possible then they have not interacted in a sinful manner with mankind. But, no proof of what i said will be made public by God because it is a matter that does not concern mankind, only the individuals involved. Just like any other private friendship. It is not a public matter.

The only reason i am willing to write what i just wrote is because i have been concerned about these matters for a decade. And 3 years ago i met a woman who claimed she aborted her own human hybrid demon, a non flesh offspring she initially consented to carry.

She said sometimes Jesus gives her peace about what she did. (Both the creation and the abortion)... I Ended up suspending judgement.

If the vast majority of christians today reject the biblical and extra biblical 2nd century explanation of what demons are.. (enoch, jashur, jubelees, etc)

Then who are you to reject the idea that more to this day are not being created?
 
joestue said:
The angels who left heaven, raped women giving birth to hybrids, nah. No forgiveness in my opinion. But as biblical folks have warned, i do not declare judgement on them.

The disembodied spirits of the nephilim, the demons. Nah, not the ones that have crossed over some minimum threshold. No forgiveness in my opinion. Same caveat as above.

I am partial to thinking that some of the demons have not sinned. If such is possible then they have not interacted in a sinful manner with mankind. But, no proof of what i said will be made public by God because it is a matter that does not concern mankind, only the individuals involved. Just like any other private friendship. It is not a public matter.

The only reason i am willing to write what i just wrote is because i have been concerned about these matters for a decade. And 3 years ago i met a woman who claimed she aborted her own human hybrid demon, a non flesh offspring she initially consented to carry.

She said sometimes Jesus gives her peace about what she did. (Both the creation and the abortion)... I Ended up suspending judgement.

If the vast majority of christians today reject the biblical and extra biblical 2nd century explanation of what demons are.. (enoch, jashur, jubelees, etc)

Then who are you to reject the idea that more to this day are not being created?
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Goliath and his brothers in David's day were a descendant of the "hybrids" you speak of where the angels sinned with mankind and are in chains.

This is after the flood, so this tells me that someone in Noah's family, whether daughter in law or whatever carried this hybrid gene beyond the flood and is still with us today.

So I'm thinking your line of thinking could be correct.
 
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Nowhere does scripture say angels impregnated women.
Genesis is not talking about angels.
I don’t believe angels are either male nor female. They are spirits.
There is no sex in heaven….. angels don’t have kids in heaven. They were created by God.
 
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