Right Faith vs Wrong Faith

[Bethel]

Reader...

God requires faith in Christ before He gives you HIS "Gift of Salvation."

Jesus said..>"all that believe in me".....>He never said..>>"all that i cause to Believe will believe"., as that is John Calvinism's demonic twist on it.

Jesus is not a Calvinist.

Listen and think....

= If God caused you to have faith in Christ, He would not require you to believe In Him ., as there would be no need for the requirement that you "BELIEVE".

Now, within everyone is the capacity to believe, as that is a "measure of Faith."

All have it.

Even right now unbelievers believe in something..... but that is wrong faith... but its still faith, and God didnt make them believe wrong,, and God does not make them believe right..
He allows us all to believe and this is why preachers preach, and teachers teach. We are giving you the TRUTH To Believe in....
Its why the world of unbelievers are always being led (drawn by The Cross and the Holy Spirit) into RIGHT FAITH, that God will accept.

See.. .and listen now.. Readers...

An Atheist has FAITH.... just like a Believer has Faith.

The Atheist BELIEVES there is NO GOD and No Salvation needed, as that is their FAITH, and God can't accept that Faith.

BECAUSE..."all who come to GOD must BELIEVE THAT HE EXISTS">... = Hebrews 11:6

whereas....

The Believer's FAITH is IN CHRIST, and God accepts THAT Faith, the very moment it's in your heart.

See it?

Both have a "measure of Faith" but the Believer's Faith, is the Faith that God accepts.

Here is another way to see it, Reader.

Cain and Abel both went to God, but Cain was rejected because he did it the wrong way.

BOTH BELIEVED in GOD...

See it?

Both had FAITH, but God has a WAY you must believe, that you must come to Him... and in the NT, .. .TODAY>.. = JESUS IS THE WAY....The Cross of Christ.

John 14:6

 

[KingJ]

When John 3:16 says ''whoever believes in Him'', it is referring to a belief in Jesus saving us from our sins if we repent of them.

For this, we need to believe in Jesus being a worthy sacrifice, the Messiah, the Son of God, God.

It is not enough for a Christian to merely say ''have faith that Jesus was real, that Jesus existed''. Flavius Josephus has proven that.

It is only faith in Him being the Son of God / God (Isa 9:6) that died for the sins of mankind, that carries weight with God. This is a belief that is given by God 1 Cor 10:3 , to the 'whomsoever' will repent of their sins / open the door to Jesus Rev 3:20.

1 Cor 10:3 Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Rev 3:20 Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me.

We open the door to Jesus by repenting of our sins.

Luke 5:32 I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

 

[KingJ]

= If God caused you to have faith in Christ, He would not require you to believe In Him ., as there would be no need for the requirement that you "BELIEVE".

10/10, Well said!

Calvinism is nonsensical.

 

[Bethel]

When John 3:16 says ''whoever believes in Him'', it is referring to a belief in Jesus saving us from our sins if we repent of them.

There is only one "sin" that causes people to die and go to hell.

Its the sin of UNBELIEF.

John 3:36

So, that is the one that has to be repented of, as that one is the unpardonable sin..

God saves us "while we are YET Sinners".....

So, that's not the problem..
The issue is... Did you believe in Jesus before you died?

If not you died in UNBELIEF and that sin, can't be forgiven.

 

[B-A-C]

Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit

Matt 12:24; But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, "This man casts out demons only by Beelzebul the ruler of the demons." Matt 12:25; And knowing their thoughts Jesus said to them, "Any kingdom divided against itself is laid waste; and any city or house divided against itself will not...

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There is only one "sin" that causes people to die and go to hell.

Its the sin of UNBELIEF.

A false doctrine.

1Cor 6:9; Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
1Cor 6:10; nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

Gal 5:19; Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality,
Gal 5:20; idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions,
Gal 5:21; envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Matt 13:40; "So just as the tares are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the end of the age.
Matt 13:41; "The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness,
Matt 13:42; and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Matt 7:21; "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
Matt 7:22; "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
Matt 7:23; "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

 

[Bethel]

A false doctrine.

If you repent of your sin, but you dont repent of your unbelief, you are not accepted by God.

God saves us, "While we were YET sinners"..

"To Him that worketh not .. but BELIEVETH On God, who Justifies THE UNGODLY........their FAITH, (repentance from unbelief) is COUNTED as (Christ's imputed) Righteousness.""

 

[B-A-C]

God saves us, "While we were YET sinners"..

The key word here is "were", not "still"

"To Him that worketh not .. but BELIEVETH On God, who Justifies THE UNGODLY........their FAITH, (repentance from unbelief) is COUNTED as (Christ's imputed) Righteousness.""

No gets saved without Jesus, that's for sure.

If you repent of your sin, but you dont repent of your unbelief, you are not accepted by God.

If you repent of your unbelief, but yet still practice sin, you still won't be accepted by God.

Jas 2:19; You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder.

 

[Bethel]

The key word here is "were", not "still"

You came to God as a sinner.

= "Yet a sinner" and God saved you while you are "yet a sinner".

God saves "sinners"..

"Jesus came into the world to SAVE SINNERS"...

No gets saved without Jesus, that's for sure.

There is no other Blood Atonement.

Jesus is the "one time ETERNAL Sacrifice for Sin"... the ONLY one.. = The Cross of Christ

If you repent of your unbelief, but yet still practice sin, you still won't be accepted by God.

Most Christians in the USA, watch "NetFlix".. and many of those programs are "soft porn"... partial nudity... .....

So, they sit there, watching it...

Or How about.. ."Game of Thrones"...

Remember that one? A lot of Christians watched that for 7 yrs, and it had RAPE, INCEST..........and they kept on watching..

If they were born again before they started watching all this ... then they are still born again, as you can't stop being born again, but you can be a CARNAL Believer.

 

[Dave M]

true belief and obeying Jesus go hand and hand, if you say you believe and do not obey you really do not believe IMO

 

[Curtis]

All men do not have faith 2 Th 3:2

 

[Curtis]

2Th 3:2 And that we may be delivered from perverse (improper, unrighteous) and wicked (actively malicious) men, for not everybody has faith and is held by it.

 

[Curtis]

2Ti 1:5 When I call to remembrance the unfeigned faith that is in thee, which dwelt first in thy grandmother Lois, and thy mother Eunice; and I am persuaded that in thee also. (KJV)

The word, "unfeigned" means, "genuine, real, true"

Paul tells Timothy that he had "true genuine, real, faith."
Another translation says of the same verse.

2Ti 1:5 I remember your genuine faith, for you share the faith that first filled your grandmother Lois and your mother, Eunice. And I know that same faith continues strong in you. (NLT)

If there is "true genuine, real, faith." then is also a "fake, not real, presumptuous, untrue faith"

Real genuine faith always has "works" connected to it that prove to the believer his faith is real.

Have you ever known someone who believed by faith for a certain promise to be fulfilled in their life that never happened?
That would be a good indicator that their faith was not genuine.

 

[Servaline]

Reader...

God requires faith in Christ before He gives you HIS "Gift of Salvation."

Jesus said..>"all that believe in me".....>He never said..>>"all that i cause to Believe will believe"., as that is John Calvinism's demonic twist on it.

Jesus is not a Calvinist.

Listen and think....

= If God caused you to have faith in Christ, He would not require you to believe In Him ., as there would be no need for the requirement that you "BELIEVE".

Now, within everyone is the capacity to believe, as that is a "measure of Faith."

All have it.

Even right now unbelievers believe in something..... but that is wrong faith... but its still faith, and God didnt make them believe wrong,, and God does not make them believe right..
He allows us all to believe and this is why preachers preach, and teachers teach. We are giving you the TRUTH To Believe in....
Its why the world of unbelievers are always being led (drawn by The Cross and the Holy Spirit) into RIGHT FAITH, that God will accept.

See.. .and listen now.. Readers...

An Atheist has FAITH.... just like a Believer has Faith.

The Atheist BELIEVES there is NO GOD and No Salvation needed, as that is their FAITH, and God can't accept that Faith.

BECAUSE..."all who come to GOD must BELIEVE THAT HE EXISTS">... = Hebrews 11:6

whereas....

The Believer's FAITH is IN CHRIST, and God accepts THAT Faith, the very moment it's in your heart.

See it?

Both have a "measure of Faith" but the Believer's Faith, is the Faith that God accepts.

Here is another way to see it, Reader.

Cain and Abel both went to God, but Cain was rejected because he did it the wrong way.

BOTH BELIEVED in GOD...

See it?

Both had FAITH, but God has a WAY you must believe, that you must come to Him... and in the NT, .. .TODAY>.. = JESUS IS THE WAY....The Cross of Christ.

John 14:6

Faith comes from God, not the human mind. Left to our own devices, we would never believe in either God the Father or Christ. You have been selected by divine allotment. "Scripture consistently teaches that faith is not conjured up by the human will but is a sovereignly granted gift of God. Jesus said, “No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him” (John 6:44). And “No one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father” (John 6:65). Acts 3:16 speaks of “the faith which comes through Him.” Philippians 1:29 says, “To you it has been granted for Christ’s sake . . . to believe in Him.” And Peter wrote to fellow believers as “those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours” (2 Peter 1:1)."