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Sedar is on the 14th
Unleavened bread is the 15th.
The Jews' roasted lambs are supposed to be eaten after sundown on the 14th, which
places the Seder on the religious calendar's 15th because holy days begin and end
at sundown. In other words; the dinner of roasted lamb kicks off the seven-day
Feast of Unleavened Bread.

FYI: The feast is actually eight days when the day that lambs are slaughtered and
roasted with fire is taken into account. In point of fact, prep day is often called the
"first day" of the feast.
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all Jewish day starts at evening and ends at evening
I am aware of this. That's not what I asked.

You can check the Jewish calendars that it does not always fall on the same day of the week every year.
I am also aware of this, and again that is not what I asked.

The seven days of unleavened bread
I had asked nothing about "unleavened bread."

Since you seem confused, allow me to repeat my question:

Did Jesus eat the Passover meal with his disciples?​

Thanks
Rhema
 
Jesus ate his Passover a day ahead of the Jews.
One would think it strange that Jesus couldn't get his dates correct.

If we're not careful to reckon with those two Passovers out of sync with each other,
we are sure to get confused when attempting a chronology of crucifixion week.
No "reckoning" is possible without people making stuff up. I read through your thread. You made a lot of stuff up. Why do y'all feel compelled to lie?

Thanks?
Rhema
The Jews' roasted lambs are supposed to be eaten after sundown on the 14th, which
places the Seder on the religious calendar's 15th because holy days begin and end
at sundown. In other words; the dinner of roasted lamb kicks off the seven-day
Feast of Unleavened Bread.
I'm rather sure your math is off. The preparation for the 14th would be the, ahem, ... 13th. Thanks.
 
Sedar is on the 14th
Unleavened bread is the 15th.
@GodB4Us

It would seem I am to amend my question. (I hadn't thought it that hard or cryptic.)

Did Jesus eat the Passover meal (Sedar) with his disciples or not?

Thanks,
Rhema
 
I am aware of this. That's not what I asked.


I am also aware of this, and again that is not what I asked.


I had asked nothing about "unleavened bread."

Since you seem confused, allow me to repeat my question:

Did Jesus eat the Passover meal with his disciples?​

Thanks
Rhema
Yes.
 
@GodB4Us

It would seem I am to amend my question. (I hadn't thought it that hard or cryptic.)

Did Jesus eat the Passover meal (Sedar) with his disciples or not?

Thanks,
Rhema
Yes. And the reason for the question?

Obviously you were seeing something was not lining up for why I was attempting to address whatever it was you were seeing as not lining up as if the gospel of John was inconsistent with the rest of the gospels and also being reluctant to say that Peter lied when pointing out that the Jews had crucified that very Jesus that God had sent as if going against what Jesus has said that no man takes His life but that Jesus allowed Himself to be crucified which was Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God. And yet you wanted to go anti-KJV on it and claim addition to the scripture as if the KJV does not explain everything rightly so.

Do not scriptures align now by use of the KJV and you do not like it? You should like it since you were reluctant to call Peter a liar.
 
I'm rather sure your math is off. The preparation for the 14th would be the, ahem,
... 13th.
The language and grammar of the 12th chapter of Exodus can be confusing even
for intelligent folks, but the gist of it is: Passover lambs are supposed to be slain
and roasted with fire ready to eat during the afternoon hours of the 14th, and then
eaten for dinner that night after sundown.
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One would think it strange that Jesus couldn't get his dates correct.
Jesus didn't come into the world as an independent agent, instead; he came as a
servant.

John 6:38 . . I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will
of Him who sent me

The scope of Jesus' servitude was extensive enough to cost him his life.

Phil 2:7-8 . . He made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a
servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a
man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death

The thing is: a servant's itinerary is managed by his master.

John 8:28 . . I do nothing on my own initiative

As any good servant would, Jesus' complied with his maser's itinerary to the letter.

John 8:29 . . He that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I
do always those things that please Him.

John 14:31 . . I do exactly what my Father has commanded me.

Ergo: The night of Jesus' last supper wasn't his call to make-- it was his Father's call.

Jesus' Passover
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Yes. And the reason for the question?
Well first, thank you kindly for answering. It is truly much appreciated.

But how could Jesus eat the Seder (Passover meal) with his disciples when, according to the account in John, Jesus had been arrested, crucified, and dead beforehand all on the day of preparation - before the evening time when the Passover meal is eaten?

This is rather obvious when one reads the entire Passion from the account according to John, remembering of course, that the Jewish day starts at sundown.

(But I'll just hit the highlights.)
(John 18:28 KJV) Then led they (the Jewish Temple guards) Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment (of the Romans): and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the passover.​
...​
(John 19:14 KJV) And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he (Pilate) saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!​
...​
(John 19:18 KJV) Where they crucified him, and two other with him, on either side one, and Jesus in the midst.​
...​
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.​
(John 19:30 KJV)​
...​
(John 19:31 KJV) The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.​
...​
(John 19:42 KJV) There laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jews' preparation day; for the sepulchre was nigh at hand.​

We have FOUR scriptures proclaiming witness that Jesus was dead and buried on the day of preparation for the Passover meal that was scheduled to be at sundown, and yet we know He ate the Passover with his disciples.

Now I've heard all the ridiculous excuses given by all sorts of silly people, but the bottom line is this: the author of the Gospel attributed to John was so enamored with the idea that Jesus was the Passover Lamb that he changed the day of Jesus' crucifixion in his account in order that it correspond to the actual day when the Passover lambs were killed, drained of blood, and prepared for the evening meal (the start of Nissan 14). This is not so in Matthew, Mark, or Luke where it is quite clear that Jesus ate the Passover meal, and was then arrested afterwards.

This whole "when does the day start" has caused inordinate confusion amongst many Gentile Christians, who just can't seem to get it. I'm sure you know that the "normal" Sabbath is Friday night through Saturday daytime. The day of preparation would then be Thursday nighttime and Friday daytime (for the regular Sabbath). It still doesn't address the fact that Jesus was dead before the Passover meal, while the Synoptic Gospels record Jesus as eating the Passover meal.

Now maybe there's a "reconciliation" to the contradiction between these two accounts, but I'm really not interested in the silly nonsense without adequate academic citation, presented in a well written reasonable manner. (None of this Passover doesn't really mean Passover, nonsense etc...) But I am willing to listen to people who believe there is no contradiction.

Here's one example of silliness - a rather irrational diatribe that is nearly incomprehensible, so I'd caution against reading it: A Nisan 14 "Passover" -- Fact -- or Fallacy? It feels like is was written purposefully to twist the brain into thinking that white is black and 2+2=5. You know, those mind tricks.

Kindly,
Rhema
 
Jesus ate his Passover a day ahead of the Jews.

Jesus' Passover

If we're not careful to reckon with those two Passovers out of sync with each other,
we are sure to get confused when attempting a chronology of crucifixion week.
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I believe Jesus' Passover was before, and it is more accurately called The Last Supper.
Jesus is the Sacrificial Lamb of God, and all the special days were about him.
 
Well first, thank you kindly for answering. It is truly much appreciated.

But how could Jesus eat the Seder (Passover meal) with his disciples when, according to the account in John, Jesus had been arrested, crucified, and dead beforehand all on the day of preparation - before the evening time when the Passover meal is eaten?

This is rather obvious when one reads the entire Passion from the account according to John, remembering of course, that the Jewish day starts at sundown.

(But I'll just hit the highlights.)
(John 18:28 KJV) Then led they (the Jewish Temple guards) Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment (of the Romans): and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the passover.​
...​
(John 19:14 KJV) And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he (Pilate) saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!​
...​
(John 19:18 KJV) Where they crucified him, and two other with him, on either side one, and Jesus in the midst.​
...​
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.​
(John 19:30 KJV)​
...​
(John 19:31 KJV) The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.​
...​
(John 19:42 KJV) There laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jews' preparation day; for the sepulchre was nigh at hand.​

We have FOUR scriptures proclaiming witness that Jesus was dead and buried on the day of preparation for the Passover meal that was scheduled to be at sundown, and yet we know He ate the Passover with his disciples.

Now I've heard all the ridiculous excuses given by all sorts of silly people, but the bottom line is this: the author of the Gospel attributed to John was so enamored with the idea that Jesus was the Passover Lamb that he changed the day of Jesus' crucifixion in his account in order that it correspond to the actual day when the Passover lambs were killed, drained of blood, and prepared for the evening meal (the start of Nissan 14). This is not so in Matthew, Mark, or Luke where it is quite clear that Jesus ate the Passover meal, and was then arrested afterwards.

This whole "when does the day start" has caused inordinate confusion amongst many Gentile Christians, who just can't seem to get it. I'm sure you know that the "normal" Sabbath is Friday night through Saturday daytime. The day of preparation would then be Thursday nighttime and Friday daytime (for the regular Sabbath). It still doesn't address the fact that Jesus was dead before the Passover meal, while the Synoptic Gospels record Jesus as eating the Passover meal.

Now maybe there's a "reconciliation" to the contradiction between these two accounts, but I'm really not interested in the silly nonsense without adequate academic citation, presented in a well written reasonable manner. (None of this Passover doesn't really mean Passover, nonsense etc...) But I am willing to listen to people who believe there is no contradiction.

Here's one example of silliness - a rather irrational diatribe that is nearly incomprehensible, so I'd caution against reading it: A Nisan 14 "Passover" -- Fact -- or Fallacy? It feels like is was written purposefully to twist the brain into thinking that white is black and 2+2=5. You know, those mind tricks.

Kindly,
Rhema
Do consider the work in preparing the unleavened bread to eat on the following day after the Passover day of the 14th whereby starting on the 15th, the start of the 7 days of the unleavened bread is where no one can work on the 15th and then again no work to be done on the 7th day of the 7 days of unleavened bread. So on the day of the Passover on the 14th, they had to prepare for not working on the 15 and then on the 6th day of unleavened bread, they had to prepare for the 7th day where there can be no work. This would also include any servile work in regards to anything else, and so for the 2 days of the 7 days of unleavened bread, preparation had to be made before those 2 days so no servile work is needed like wood for the fire in baking the unleavened bread as well as actually baking the unleavened bread. The unleavened bread had to be done ahead of time for those 2 annual sabbaths.
 
I believe Jesus' Passover was before,
The Passover meal is commanded to be observed on a specific day. This would mean that you believe Jesus disobeyed God's command to observe Passover on that day.

I find this view troubling.

Thanks,
Rhema
 
Do consider the work in preparing the unleavened bread
I hadn't asked about "preparing the unleavened bread." I asked whether Jesus ate the Passover meal, an observance commanded by God to be on a specific day, with his disciples.

You replied yes.

I provided the scripture verses from the Gospel According to John which testify that Jesus was crucified and dead before the Seder.

Thank you,
Rhema
(Your entire post was avoidance bluster. I find that troubling.)
 
The Passover meal is commanded to be observed on a specific day. This would mean that you believe Jesus disobeyed God's command to observe Passover on that day.

I find this view troubling.

Thanks,
Rhema
Jesus is the Passover Lamb. How is that troubling for you?
 
Jesus is the Passover Lamb. How is that troubling for you?
In truth, this is a religious doctrine that was developed way after the death and resurrection of Jesus - and a doctrine that never came through His lips. I see (and quoted) you saying "Jesus is the Passover Lamb" but where did Jesus ever say this? He had every chance. During the Passover meal which Matthew, Mark, and Luke record, Jesus could have easily picked up the Lamb and said, "THIS is me," but He did not. Instead, Jesus spoke of the bread and wine, which, according to the Gospel According to John, Jesus never said.

Instead, the author of the Gospel According to John was so enamored by this "Paschal epiphany" that he records this as a proclamation of John the Baptist. If this was so important, though, then why is it never mentioned in Matthew, Mark, or Luke? Were Matthew, Mark, and Luke clueless? Indeed, search the phrase "Lamb of God" and you'll see it only twice in the entire Bible, both occurances in the first chapter of John, placed into the mouth of John the Baptizer, something that John never said according to Matthew, Mark and Luke.

But what troubled me is that YOU had Jesus eating Passover on a different day than that which God commanded - and I quote:
I believe Jesus' Passover was before,
Jesus ate the Passover before He should have? Yes, I find that troubling.

Rhema
 
In truth, this is a religious doctrine that was developed way after the death and resurrection of Jesus
False.
- and a doctrine that never came through His lips. I see (and quoted) you saying "Jesus is the Passover Lamb" but where did Jesus ever say this?
All the special days were about Jesus.
You don't know Jesus is the Lamb of God?


He had every chance. During the Passover meal which Matthew, Mark, and Luke record, Jesus could have easily picked up the Lamb and said, "THIS is me," but He did not. Instead, Jesus spoke of the bread and wine, which, according to the Gospel According to John, Jesus never said.
Jesus' flesh is the bread, and he is also the Lamb.

You don't know that John the baptizer announced it?

All the books and letters in the Bible corrupt in your eyes?
Instead, the author of the Gospel According to John was so enamored by this "Paschal epiphany" that he records this as a proclamation of John the Baptist. If this was so important, though, then why is it never mentioned in Matthew, Mark, or Luke?
It is mentioned in Revelation, and Hebrews, and prophesied about in Isaiah.
It is a shadow as shown in Leviticus and Exodus.

It is spoken of in Acts, and Peter speaks of it, and Paul.

Abraham sacrificing Isaac was also a prophecy of what God was going to do.
Were Matthew, Mark, and Luke clueless? Indeed, search the phrase "Lamb of God" and you'll see it only twice in the entire Bible, both occurances in the first chapter of John, placed into the mouth of John the Baptizer, something that John never said according to Matthew, Mark and Luke.
You need to do more than put Lamb of God in google search.
But what troubled me is that YOU had Jesus eating Passover on a different day than that which God commanded - and I quote:

Jesus ate the Passover before He should have? Yes, I find that troubling.

Rhema
Jesus ate his Last Supper with his Apostles, and many call that the Passover supper. It is where he made the covenant.
 
THE SHADOW OF JESUS THE LAMB:

Leviticus 17:11 For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one's life.

Exodus 12:3 Tell the whole community of Israel that on the tenth day of this month each man is to take a lamb for his family, one for each household.

Exodus 29:38 “This is what you are to offer on the altar regularly each day: two lambs a year old. 39 Offer one in the morning and the other at twilight. 40 With the first lamb offer a tenth of an ephah of the finest flour mixed with a quarter of a hin of oil from pressed olives, and a quarter of a hin of wine as a drink offering. 41 Sacrifice the other lamb at twilight with the same grain offering and its drink offering as in the morning—a pleasing aroma, a food offering presented to the Lord.

42 “For the generations to come this burnt offering is to be made regularly at the entrance to the tent of meeting, before the Lord. There I will meet you and speak to you;


THE PROPHECY OF JESUS THE LAMB

Isaiah 53:6 We all like sheep have gone astray, each one has turned to his own way; and the LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.

Isaiah 53:7 says, "He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth."

Isaiah 53:8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

Isaiah 53:10 Yet it was the LORD's will to crush Him and cause Him to suffer. And when His soul is made a guilt offering, He will see His offspring, He will prolong His days, and the good pleasure of the LORD will prosper in His hand.

Isaiah 53:11 After the anguish of His soul, He will see the light of life and be satisfied. By His knowledge My righteous Servant will justify many, and He will bear their iniquities.

Isaiah 53:12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he has poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.



A SHOWING OF THE COVENANT TO COME

Genesis 22:2 And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.



THE NEW COVENANT AND THE FULFILLMENT OF THE SCRIPTURES


John 1:29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, "Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!

Hebrews 9:22 According to the Law, in fact, nearly everything must be purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.

John 21:15 [ Jesus Reinstates Peter ] When they had finished eating, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon son of John, do you love me more than these?” “Yes, Lord,” he said, “you know that I love you.” Jesus said, “Feed my lambs.”

Acts 8:32 This is the passage of Scripture the eunuch was reading: “He was led like a sheep to the slaughter, and as a lamb before its shearer is silent, so he did not open his mouth.

1 Corinthians 5:7 Get rid of the old yeast, so that you may be a new unleavened batch—as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed.

1 Peter 1:19 but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect.

Revelation 5:1 [ The Scroll and the Lamb ] Then I saw in the right hand of him who sat on the throne a scroll with writing on both sides and sealed with seven seals.

Revelation 5:6 Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing at the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. The Lamb had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth.

Revelation 5:8 And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of God’s people.

Revelation 5:12 In a loud voice they were saying: “Worthy is the Lamb, who was slain, to receive power and wealth and wisdom and strength and honor and glory and praise!”

Revelation 5:13 Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, saying: “To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever!”

Revelation 6:1 [ The Seals ] I watched as the Lamb opened the first of the seven seals. Then I heard one of the four living creatures say in a voice like thunder, “Come!”

Revelation 6:3 When the Lamb opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature say, “Come!”

Revelation 6:5 When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, “Come!” I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand.

Revelation 6:7 When the Lamb opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say, “Come!”

Revelation 6:16 They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!

Revelation 7:9 [ The Great Multitude in White Robes ] After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands.

Revelation 7:10 And they cried out in a loud voice: “Salvation belongs to our God, who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb.

Revelation 7:14 I answered, “Sir, you know.” And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Revelation 7:17 For the Lamb at the center of the throne will be their shepherd; ‘he will lead them to springs of living water.’ ‘And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.’”

Revelation 12:11 They triumphed over him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony; they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death.

Revelation 13:8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.
 
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