Satan Comes to Earth.

[Bendito]

So Satan, prince of the powers of the air....At what time, in the history of man, and this world, did he come to Earth?

 

[KingJ]

He has always been on the earth. Ezekiel 29:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

This makes for a convincing argument against the gap theory which implies he sinned long before Adam and Eve on an earth that needed to be renovated.

Rev 12:9 says he was cast out of heaven. Not down to earth. A third of the stars mentioned in vs 4 were cast down to earth. I guess he didn't need to be cast down because he was already here?

 

[B-A-C]

He was in the garden of eden.

As a serpent of course. But also as an angel.

Isa 14:12; "How you have fallen from heaven, O star of the morning, son of the dawn! You have been cut down to the earth, You who have weakened the nations!
Luke 10:18; And He said to them, "I was watching Satan fall from heaven like lightning.

Ezek 28:13; "You were in Eden, the garden of God; Every precious stone was your covering: The ruby, the topaz and the diamond; The beryl, the onyx and the jasper; The lapis lazuli, the turquoise and the emerald; And the gold, the workmanship of your settings and sockets, Was in you. On the day that you were created They were prepared.
Ezek 28:14; "You were the anointed cherub who covers, And I placed you there. You were on the holy mountain of God; You walked in the midst of the stones of fire.
Ezek 28:15; "You were blameless in your ways From the day you were created Until unrighteousness was found in you.
Ezek 28:16; "By the abundance of your trade You were internally filled with violence, And you sinned; Therefore I have cast you as profane From the mountain of God. And I have destroyed you, O covering cherub, From the midst of the stones of fire.

 

[JesusIs4Me]

So Satan, prince of the powers of the air....At what time, in the history of man, and this world, did he come to Earth?

Check Satan's first post on Facebook or Twitter. That may give us an idea. Just kidding, obviously.

On a serious note, a time is coming when Satan knows his time on earth will be short. Apparently, he is going back and forth between earth and Heaven accusing the brethren in Heaven currently, but after the pre great tribulation rapture, when the door to the celebration in Heaven is shut is when Satan will be cast out of Heaven and then he will know that his time is short.

Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. 13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

So from what I am reading here in the bold is why I believe the devil still has access to Heaven where he accuses the brethren day and night BUT at the time of the pre great tribulation rapture, the devil will be cast down to the earth when at that time as being limited to earth, he will know he has a very short time before the King of kings returns with the raptured saints.

 

[Bendito]

He has always been on the earth. Ezekiel 29:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

This makes for a convincing argument against the gap theory which implies he sinned long before Adam and Eve on an earth that needed to be renovated.

Rev 12:9 says he was cast out of heaven. Not down to earth. A third of the stars mentioned in vs 4 were cast down to earth. I guess he didn't need to be cast down because he was already here?

Your reasoning is interesting...You didn't mention that Lucifer/Satan was created in heaven. So, When did he come to Earth? Both you and B-A-C are absolutely right about that. Satan was in the garden before Adam was 'born'. So.....when...? See what I'm saying? It does not wipe out the gap theory at all...because it does not answer the question.

 

[KingJ]

Your reasoning is interesting...You didn't mention that Lucifer/Satan was created in heaven. So, When did he come to Earth? Both you and B-A-C are absolutely right about that. Satan was in the garden before Adam was 'born'. So.....when...? See what I'm saying? It does not wipe out the gap theory at all...because it does not answer the question.

I am still digesting it myself. I have always believed in the gap theory. What I find interesting is:

Ezekiel 28:13 KJV says ''thou hast been'' in the garden of Eden. As vs 14 says ''thou hast walked on God's holy mountain'', thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire''. Then vs 16 says ''I will cast you from the stones of fire''. Then we also have BAC's verse provided in Luke 10:18 'watching satan fall from heaven like lightning'.

It seems quite clear that he was in a sinless state in Eden. Just as he was in 'the midst of the stones of fire'. Was the midst of stones of fire on earth? Could be a yes or no answer as Luke 10:18 does say he was cast out of heaven.

I am not sure where he would have been created. Does it matter though? It seems to me that scripture says he could come and go as he pleased ''thou hast been here and there''.

Was Adam born? I do believe we need to stick to the Genesis account as literal as it is written. 24 hour days, with Adam created. Your take would then seem unlikely with Ezekiel 28:13 worded as it is. I would expect it to say ''for a brief moment'' you were in Eden. That hour or two between day 3 and 4.

This is just all so interesting. There was a time when Adam, Lucifer and God all sat around a table and had breakfast together.

 

[JesusIs4Me]

Your reasoning is interesting...You didn't mention that Lucifer/Satan was created in heaven. So, When did he come to Earth? Both you and B-A-C are absolutely right about that. Satan was in the garden before Adam was 'born'. So.....when...? See what I'm saying? It does not wipe out the gap theory at all...because it does not answer the question.

I apologize for the light humor and for going off track in expounding your question to the current state of Satan's presence being not exactly limited to earth after seeing how your initial question was answered by two posters. However, since you have expounded your question in relevance to the gap theory, this does open the discussion in a broader area of responses.

#1. Lucifer is not Satan's original name.

Isaiah 14:11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee. 12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: KJV

Satan's corpse is not rotting in a grave. This was about a mortal king on earth that boasted himself to ascending himself to the heavens in even comparing himself to the planet Venus which can be seen as a star still in the morning. Lucifer was a Latin word added to the text to specifically identify the reference to son of the morning as astronomical.

#2. When Satan had actually had fallen has never been directly implicated other than his success in tempting Eve and by her, Adam to sin. To consider that God would allow Satan in the Garden after he had fallen to commit another sin against God does not speak well for God, so therefore Satan's fall was in the Garden when Adam and Eve had fallen. It was Satan's temptation towards Adam and Eve that exposed his sin of pride of thinking he knew better than God by wresting His words.

#3. There is no need for the Gap Theory when the Evolution Theory is false. To imply that Satan had created the earth and the living things ( dinosaurs ) by which God supposedly became jealous and destroyed it by wresting His word "void" in Genesis to mean "made empty" is not understanding the word void in context of His words. Void simply means earth wasn't there. There was no planet to be called earth..

In order to understand what most people claim are the 2 "different" accounts of Genesis is to recognize what we would call the topic sentence in a paragraph with all the other sentences about that topic.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

The 1st verse is the topic and the second verse and thereafter are the verses telling us how the first verse all came about.

When God called for Light; there was evening and morning the first day; thus a 24 hour first day. He could not call it the first day if it was not really the first day. God is not a liar in His words. There was no planet called earth in that first day. There were no constellations in the skies that govern the earth that first day because there was no earth and no sun nor moon nor stars whose lights were given to it to mark the times and the seasons for that earth. That did not happen until the fourth day.

The second day, God created the water planet with an upper atmosphere.

It was the third day that God created land on this water planet to come forth where there was no land before. In that same day, God created living plants and trees to produce seeds and fruits after its own kind.

That fourth day in creating the sun, the moon, and the stars for the lights to govern the earth that day by His spoken word means He had created the stellar bodies and filled in the gap with its light as He commanded for that light to govern the earth that fourth day. So the speed of light does not apply here for determining the age of the earth when the lights from the heavens were commanded by God to shine on the earth that fourth day.

Each day, there was evening and morning and so there can be no gap theory.

We can attest that as true when the following verses after the first verse is contrary to that first verse BUT if you read the first verse as the main topic as if, of a paragraph and the following verses are sentences explaining that main topic in how this first verse, the topic, came about.

Scriptures were not originally divided in numbered chapters and numbered verses, and so this "topic actually ended in the 2 nd chapter of Genesis in verse 3 before the second topic was begun on the generations of mankind.

Genesis 2:1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Then comes the next "topic".

Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

This is a rehash of the sixth day in Creation but more in detail in explaining where all mankind had come from. How do we know this? By paying attention to the next verse below. Do note the bold part of that verse below.

5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

Mankind was not created yet. So this is really another topic starting in verse 4 about where all of mankind had come from, and it was no ape.

Jesus confirmed the creation of man and woman by defending what marriage was in how marriage came about by that very first creation of man and woman.

Matthew 19:4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, 5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? 6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

Jesus had also confirmed the seventh day as having been created for man and not man for the sabbath day.

Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

Real science is about what can be observed and proven, and the evolution theory not only runs against the laws of science, but against His words.

It seems Satan is still tempting us to wrest His words still, so please prayerfully consider with Him at that throne of grace for wisdom in seeing how man is changing the "facts" of the Evolution Theory as in "back peddling" in how they "present" the "evidence" in regards to the Evolution Theory as if it is true when "macroevolution" has never been observed nor proven to be true.

The back peddling includes claiming first as a "fact" that birds evolved from the dinosaurs but now dinosaurs evolved from birds. Punctuated Equilibrium or "Rapid macroevolution" was proposed because gradual macroevolution cannot be true due to the huge gap in the fossil records for transitional fossils. Evolutionist Stephen Jay Gould says that there was an explosion in the fossil records for which he "believes" ( errantly ) that it took place in the Pre Cambrian or Cambrian period ( I forgot which period ) and that he even said that a global flood had to tap that capacity ( of which many evolutionists pointed out that he never said it covered the mountains, but yet he never said that it didn't either..)

It gets worse. Some evolutionists in forums will now say both are true but it is either one or the other. There is evidence on the internet that they are changing the definition of micro evolution and macro evolution as they start to blur together.

The evolution theory is a false science and always will be. Mankind will keep fumbling around in the dark rechanging the "facts" of the evolution theory, but christians do not need to be tempted to wrest the word of God to keep up with what they claim is real science when it is not.

I pray that some day, you will see the Gap Theory for what it is: Satan still up to his old tricks in tempting us to not believe what is plainly written and confirmed by Jesus that His words are true.

 

[Bendito]

I apologize for the light humor and for going off track in expounding your question to the current state of Satan's presence being not exactly limited to earth after seeing how your initial question was answered by two posters. However, since you have expounded your question in relevance to the gap theory, this does open the discussion in a broader area of responses.

#1. Lucifer is not Satan's original name.

Isaiah 14:11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee. 12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: KJV

Satan's corpse is not rotting in a grave. This was about a mortal king on earth that boasted himself to ascending himself to the heavens in even comparing himself to the planet Venus which can be seen as a star still in the morning. Lucifer was a Latin word added to the text to specifically identify the reference to son of the morning as astronomical.

#2. When Satan had actually had fallen has never been directly implicated other than his success in tempting Eve and by her, Adam to sin. To consider that God would allow Satan in the Garden after he had fallen to commit another sin against God does not speak well for God, so therefore Satan's fall was in the Garden when Adam and Eve had fallen. It was Satan's temptation towards Adam and Eve that exposed his sin of pride of thinking he knew better than God by wresting His words.

#3. There is no need for the Gap Theory when the Evolution Theory is false. To imply that Satan had created the earth and the living things ( dinosaurs ) by which God supposedly became jealous and destroyed it by wresting His word "void" in Genesis to mean "made empty" is not understanding the word void in context of His words. Void simply means earth wasn't there. There was no planet to be called earth..

In order to understand what most people claim are the 2 "different" accounts of Genesis is to recognize what we would call the topic sentence in a paragraph with all the other sentences about that topic.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

The 1st verse is the topic and the second verse and thereafter are the verses telling us how the first verse all came about.

When God called for Light; there was evening and morning the first day; thus a 24 hour first day. He could not call it the first day if it was not really the first day. God is not a liar in His words. There was no planet called earth in that first day. There were no constellations in the skies that govern the earth that first day because there was no earth and no sun nor moon nor stars whose lights were given to it to mark the times and the seasons for that earth. That did not happen until the fourth day.

The second day, God created the water planet with an upper atmosphere.

It was the third day that God created land on this water planet to come forth where there was no land before. In that same day, God created living plants and trees to produce seeds and fruits after its own kind.

That fourth day in creating the sun, the moon, and the stars for the lights to govern the earth that day by His spoken word means He had created the stellar bodies and filled in the gap with its light as He commanded for that light to govern the earth that fourth day. So the speed of light does not apply here for determining the age of the earth when the lights from the heavens were commanded by God to shine on the earth that fourth day.

Each day, there was evening and morning and so there can be no gap theory.

We can attest that as true when the following verses after the first verse is contrary to that first verse BUT if you read the first verse as the main topic as if, of a paragraph and the following verses are sentences explaining that main topic in how this first verse, the topic, came about.

Scriptures were not originally divided in numbered chapters and numbered verses, and so this "topic actually ended in the 2 nd chapter of Genesis in verse 3 before the second topic was begun on the generations of mankind.

Genesis 2:1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Then comes the next "topic".

Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

This is a rehash of the sixth day in Creation but more in detail in explaining where all mankind had come from. How do we know this? By paying attention to the next verse below. Do note the bold part of that verse below.

5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

Mankind was not created yet. So this is really another topic starting in verse 4 about where all of mankind had come from, and it was no ape.

Jesus confirmed the creation of man and woman by defending what marriage was in how marriage came about by that very first creation of man and woman.

Matthew 19:4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, 5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? 6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

Jesus had also confirmed the seventh day as having been created for man and not man for the sabbath day.

Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

Real science is about what can be observed and proven, and the evolution theory not only runs against the laws of science, but against His words.

It seems Satan is still tempting us to wrest His words still, so please prayerfully consider with Him at that throne of grace for wisdom in seeing how man is changing the "facts" of the Evolution Theory as in "back peddling" in how they "present" the "evidence" in regards to the Evolution Theory as if it is true when "macroevolution" has never been observed nor proven to be true.

The back peddling includes claiming first as a "fact" that birds evolved from the dinosaurs but now dinosaurs evolved from birds. Punctuated Equilibrium or "Rapid macroevolution" was proposed because gradual macroevolution cannot be true due to the huge gap in the fossil records for transitional fossils. Evolutionist Stephen Jay Gould says that there was an explosion in the fossil records for which he "believes" ( errantly ) that it took place in the Pre Cambrian or Cambrian period ( I forgot which period ) and that he even said that a global flood had to tap that capacity ( of which many evolutionists pointed out that he never said it covered the mountains, but yet he never said that it didn't either..)

It gets worse. Some evolutionists in forums will now say both are true but it is either one or the other. There is evidence on the internet that they are changing the definition of micro evolution and macro evolution as they start to blur together.

The evolution theory is a false science and always will be. Mankind will keep fumbling around in the dark rechanging the "facts" of the evolution theory, but christians do not need to be tempted to wrest the word of God to keep up with what they claim is real science when it is not.

I pray that some day, you will see the Gap Theory for what it is: Satan still up to his old tricks in tempting us to not believe what is plainly written and confirmed by Jesus that His words are true.

If Lucifer was not Satans original name, I don't know what it was....but you said here "Satan's corpse is not rotting in a grave. This was about a mortal king on earth that boasted himself to ascending himself to the heavens in even comparing himself to the planet Venus which can be seen as a star still in the morning. Lucifer was a Latin word added to the text to specifically identify the reference to son of the morning as astronomical."
I found that interesting because you took a single verse and made your claim based on that...If you took in context you would get a different picture...Look.
Isaiah 14:1-21
14 For Adonai will have compassion on Ya‘akov — he will once again choose Isra’el and resettle them in their own land, where foreigners will join them, attaching themselves to the house of Ya‘akov. 2 Peoples will take and escort them to their homeland, and the house of Isra’el will possess them in the land of Adonai as male and female slaves. They will take their captors captive and rule over their oppressors. 3 Then, when Adonai gives you rest from your suffering and trouble and from the hard service imposed on you, 4 you will take up this taunt-song against the king of Bavel:

“At last the oppressor is stilled,
his arrogance is ended!
5 Adonai has broken the staff of the wicked,
the scepter of the rulers,
6 which furiously struck down peoples
with unceasing blows,
angrily beating down nations
with relentless persecution.
7 The whole earth is at rest and quiet.
They break into song.
8 The cypresses rejoice over you,
with the cedars of the L’vanon —
‘Now that you are laid low,
no one comes to cut us down.’

9 “Sh’ol below is stirred up
to meet you when you come.
It awakens for you the ghosts of the dead
who were leaders on earth;
it makes all the kings of the nations
arise from their thrones.
10 They all greet you with these words:
‘Now you are as weak as we are,
you have become like us!
11 Your pride has been brought down to Sh’ol
with the music of your lyres,
under you a mattress of maggots,
over you a blanket of worms.’

12 “How did you come to fall from the heavens,
morning star, son of the dawn?
How did you come to be cut to the ground,
conqueror of nations?
13 You thought to yourself, ‘I will scale the heavens,
I will raise my throne above God’s stars.
I will sit on the Mount of Assembly
far away in the north.
14 I will rise past the tops of the clouds,
I will make myself like the Most High.’

15 “Instead you are brought down to Sh’ol,
to the uttermost depths of the pit.
16 Those who see you will stare at you,
reflecting on what has become of you:
‘Is this the man who shook the earth,
who made kingdoms tremble,
17 who made the world a desert,
who destroyed its cities,
who would not set his prisoners free?’

18 “All other kings of the nations, all of them,
lie in glory, each in his tomb.
19 But you are discarded, unburied,
like a loathed branch,
clothed like the slain who were pierced by the sword,
then fall to the stones inside a pit,
like a corpse to be trampled underfoot.
20 You will not be joined with those kings in the grave,
because you destroyed your own land,
you have brought death to your own people.
The descendants of evildoers will be utterly forgotten.
21 Get ready to slaughter his sons
for the iniquity of their fathers;
so they won’t arise, take over the earth
and cover the world with their cities.”

and it goes on, mocking the mocker

I don't understand your comment on the Gap Theory....Evolution is, as you say, phoney but that has nothing to do with Gap theory....Gap theory talks about PreAdamic times...Not post Adamic. Then you say that all that follows verse 1 is the how of it? No. The first verse is in past tense...God created the heavens and the Earth. It is written as a completed work...Then the Earth became without form and void.. God said "Let there be light" Where did the light come from? No sun, moon, stars...Where did the light come from? God did not create there either...The word 'light' there translates to "a revelation of God' "Let there be a revelation of God" And the light of His glory broke forth! Wow! He is light. The light of the world even today! There was day one.
For me to continue on would be a simple repetition of what I said above so.......Satan was on the Earth when Adam was created...So according to your reasoning he had to come to Earth between day one and day six. Is that what happened? No. So then there had to be a gap.

 

[JesusIs4Me]

If Lucifer was not Satans original name, I don't know what it was....but you said here "Satan's corpse is not rotting in a grave. This was about a mortal king on earth that boasted himself to ascending himself to the heavens in even comparing himself to the planet Venus which can be seen as a star still in the morning. Lucifer was a Latin word added to the text to specifically identify the reference to son of the morning as astronomical."
I found that interesting because you took a single verse and made your claim based on that...If you took in context you would get a different picture...Look.
Isaiah 14:1-21
14 For Adonai will have compassion on Ya‘akov — he will once again choose Isra’el and resettle them in their own land, where foreigners will join them, attaching themselves to the house of Ya‘akov. 2 Peoples will take and escort them to their homeland, and the house of Isra’el will possess them in the land of Adonai as male and female slaves. They will take their captors captive and rule over their oppressors. 3 Then, when Adonai gives you rest from your suffering and trouble and from the hard service imposed on you, 4 you will take up this taunt-song against the king of Bavel:

“At last the oppressor is stilled,
his arrogance is ended!
5 Adonai has broken the staff of the wicked,
the scepter of the rulers,
6 which furiously struck down peoples
with unceasing blows,
angrily beating down nations
with relentless persecution.
7 The whole earth is at rest and quiet.
They break into song.
8 The cypresses rejoice over you,
with the cedars of the L’vanon —
‘Now that you are laid low,
no one comes to cut us down.’

9 “Sh’ol below is stirred up
to meet you when you come.
It awakens for you the ghosts of the dead
who were leaders on earth;
it makes all the kings of the nations
arise from their thrones.
10 They all greet you with these words:
‘Now you are as weak as we are,
you have become like us!
11 Your pride has been brought down to Sh’ol
with the music of your lyres,
under you a mattress of maggots,
over you a blanket of worms.’

12 “How did you come to fall from the heavens,
morning star, son of the dawn?
How did you come to be cut to the ground,
conqueror of nations?
13 You thought to yourself, ‘I will scale the heavens,
I will raise my throne above God’s stars.
I will sit on the Mount of Assembly
far away in the north.
14 I will rise past the tops of the clouds,
I will make myself like the Most High.’

15 “Instead you are brought down to Sh’ol,
to the uttermost depths of the pit.
16 Those who see you will stare at you,
reflecting on what has become of you:
‘Is this the man who shook the earth,
who made kingdoms tremble,
17 who made the world a desert,
who destroyed its cities,
who would not set his prisoners free?’

18 “All other kings of the nations, all of them,
lie in glory, each in his tomb.
19 But you are discarded, unburied,
like a loathed branch,
clothed like the slain who were pierced by the sword,
then fall to the stones inside a pit,
like a corpse to be trampled underfoot.
20 You will not be joined with those kings in the grave,
because you destroyed your own land,
you have brought death to your own people.
The descendants of evildoers will be utterly forgotten.
21 Get ready to slaughter his sons
for the iniquity of their fathers;
so they won’t arise, take over the earth
and cover the world with their cities.”

and it goes on, mocking the mocker

Bible Gateway passage: Isaiah 14 - King James Version

Try reading that in the King James Bible, but as it is, it is still addressing the one that has fallen as mortal. I realize that your version obscure the meaning of my quoted reference in the KJV but in your version, verses 19 & 20 still paints the one addressed to fall as a mortal man.

I don't understand your comment on the Gap Theory....Evolution is, as you say, phoney but that has nothing to do with Gap theory.

I realize that although, the Gap Theory has been applied in what has been called as Theistic Evolution by some believers wishing to bring about a reasonable compromise with that false science and scripture, Satanists also apply the Gap Theory to throw believers off in the Word of God that unfortunately, some believers have picked it up as fact that there was a pre-Adamic time. One source says Satan created everything and God became jealous and "voided it". You seem to be referring to the another take which may be stemming off of that source in a different way by the way you describe it below.

...Gap theory talks about PreAdamic times...Not post Adamic. Then you say that all that follows verse 1 is the how of it? No. The first verse is in past tense...God created the heavens and the Earth. It is written as a completed work..

I read the first verses as stating a truth to the reader and the following verses as to how this had happened.

.Then the Earth became without form and void.

Maybe your Bible versions says it like that, but not mine. Your word is 'became" whereas my word is "was" in stating its non-existence in past tense, thus starting the story in how God created the heavens and the earth.

. God said "Let there be light" Where did the light come from? No sun, moon, stars...Where did the light come from? God did not create there either.

One can attest to that Light as being the Word of God as nothing that was made was made without Him. See John 1st chapter. If you acknowledge that that there was no sun and moon and stars to give light in that first day, then how can you say that the following verses are not starting the story in how that first verse came about?

..The word 'light' there translates to "a revelation of God' "Let there be a revelation of God" And the light of His glory broke forth! Wow! He is light. The light of the world even today! There was day one.
For me to continue on would be a simple repetition of what I said above so...

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

....Satan was on the Earth when Adam was created...So according to your reasoning he had to come to Earth between day one and day six. Is that what happened? No. So then there had to be a gap.

All we know that Satan was in the Garden after creation when he tempted Eve and by her, Adam to sin. That was when Satan had fallen in the same time that Adam and Eve had fallen and afterwards was cursed by God for that sin.

By the two events in the Book of Job, we see that Satan was not allowed to do anything without God's permission, and yet I see the fall as the event when Satan had fallen by for which afterwards, he was limited by God afterwards for..

 

[Bendito]

Bible Gateway passage: Isaiah 14 - King James Version

Try reading that in the King James Bible, but as it is, it is still addressing the one that has fallen as mortal. I realize that your version obscure the meaning of my quoted reference in the KJV but in your version, verses 19 & 20 still paints the one addressed to fall as a mortal man.



I realize that although, the Gap Theory has been applied in what has been called as Theistic Evolution by some believers wishing to bring about a reasonable compromise with that false science and scripture, Satanists also apply the Gap Theory to throw believers off in the Word of God that unfortunately, some believers have picked it up as fact that there was a pre-Adamic time. One source says Satan created everything and God became jealous and "voided it". You seem to be referring to the another take which may be stemming off of that source in a different way by the way you describe it below.



I read the first verses as stating a truth to the reader and the following verses as to how this had happened.



Maybe your Bible versions says it like that, but not mine. Your word is 'became" whereas my word is "was" in stating its non-existence in past tense, thus starting the story in how God created the heavens and the earth.



One can attest to that Light as being the Word of God as nothing that was made was made without Him. See John 1st chapter. If you acknowledge that that there was no sun and moon and stars to give light in that first day, then how can you say that the following verses are not starting the story in how that first verse came about?



John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.



All we know that Satan was in the Garden after creation when he tempted Eve and by her, Adam to sin. That was when Satan had fallen in the same time that Adam and Eve had fallen and afterwards was cursed by God for that sin.

By the two events in the Book of Job, we see that Satan was not allowed to do anything without God's permission, and yet I see the fall as the event when Satan had fallen by for which afterwards, he was limited by God afterwards for..

I'm aware of how the KJV puts it..The KJV is one of my favorites. I also like the Hebrew versions...I like going to the original language, don't you? It really opens up the Word. Hebrew is such an incredible language.

 

[JesusIs4Me]

I'm aware of how the KJV puts it..The KJV is one of my favorites. I also like the Hebrew versions...I like going to the original language, don't you? It really opens up the Word. Hebrew is such an incredible language.

No. I do not like going to the originals when by the grace of God, I am relying on His wisdom when Jesus Christ as my Good Shepherd is enough as the One for me to rely on to see the KJV has kept the meat of His words for Him to help me to discern by Him good and evil in these latter days..

 

[Bendito]

No. I do not like going to the originals when by the grace of God, I am relying on His wisdom when Jesus Christ as my Good Shepherd is enough as the One for me to rely on to see the KJV has kept the meat of His words for Him to help me to discern by Him good and evil in these latter days..

I understand, but you don't want to ignore the teaching He has for you in more 'solid' sources..Like spirit led books. He has given us those too.

 

[JesusIs4Me]

I understand, but you don't want to ignore the teaching He has for you in more 'solid' sources..Like spirit led books. He has given us those too.

1 John 2:20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. 21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

If another source let's say... the Book of Enoch, has some "truths" in it ( which I believe was borrowed from actual scripture ) but some lies that run against the truths in scripture, then by 1 John 2:21, it is not scripture to regard that Book of Enoch as truth at all.

As for sources in different translations from what the KJV says, if it runs against other truths in scripture, as I have found the case to be with almost all modern Bibles, then that is why I rely only on the KJV for the meat of His words.

As it is, to disregard the truths in the KJV for some other sources in favoring that "teaching" is something you need to ask the Lord about in so doing.

 

[Bendito]

1 John 2:20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. 21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

If another source let's say... the Book of Enoch, has some "truths" in it ( which I believe was borrowed from actual scripture ) but some lies that run against the truths in scripture, then by 1 John 2:21, it is not scripture to regard that Book of Enoch as truth at all.

As for sources in different translations from what the KJV says, if it runs against other truths in scripture, as I have found the case to be with almost all modern Bibles, then that is why I rely only on the KJV for the meat of His words.

As it is, to disregard the truths in the KJV for some other sources in favoring that "teaching" is something you need to ask the Lord about in so doing.

Ahh... Where does the book of Enoch contradict the bible? Have you read the book of Enoch? Or have you read about it?