Should we get out of the Churches

[maccauk11]

A serious question that needs ot be answered. Is the Lord calling out his people form the Churches to walk in SPirit and Truth. To live by the Holy SPiirt and not be man made doctrines and teachings. Did he set us free form religious ways. Gdo says he will write on our hearts his laws and the Holy Spirit will lead,teach,admonish,comfort us.Not man.

(edited by LLJ)

 

[Thiscrosshurts]

It would be better to pray in faith for a sleepy church to revive and a dead church to rise again.
However if you are a sheep needing food and they don't have any then find go find some food.
If you are a Shepherd with lots of food and full of faith then the church needs you where there is no food.

Jesus only had the Holy Spirit to learn from and ask questions so there may come a time when we are called to do the same but only to receive something to give to the body and then be reconnected.
I don't see a mass calling to leave and throw out all doctrines to learn from the Holy Spirit and scriptures but that is what I did 16 years ago.I miss the church badly though and now I have become to weird for most.

I found that my beliefs are subject to change every time I hear the Holy Spirit so I no longer have a belief system I have a belief goal.

John 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

If I can pull this of I will have plenty off sheep food to go back with and they wont care how weird I am.

 

[Rev T.S.Perkins]

The church is a needed place but corrupt ministers have no place in service to the pulpit for they do no good and more than damage to the body..They see the body as a flock to shear and not tend..we should pray for the leadership of the church as to the Lord of Lords being once more in charge and pray for those who God has in the pulpit that they become all God needs them to as leaders and shepards to us all.the last thing we need to do is abandon the Church...FORSAKE NOT THE ASSEMBLING OF YOURSELVES..!Thats pretty clear i think...Rev

 

[maccauk11]

God poured out the Holy SPirit at pentecost not the bible. He himself will lead us,teach us, guide us, admonish us and comfort us.He will write on out hearts . The reason for my question is that the True Church is one not made by human hands.Earthly churhces are counterfeit and a delusion to that church. Mans churches are buildinh up their own Kingdoms on earth. I only got to know my Saviour and the Holy SPirit after i seperated my self form the churches.I wlak in SPirit and Truth not in suits and books

 

[maccauk11]

Thank you for the reply. Being able to quote bible scripture has been going on for hundreds of years. The SPiritual Tennis game is still going on. Holy SPirit Christians hav e no need of anything.The ywalk and talk daily with the Lord fellowshipping with the Holy PSiirt. I agree though we should gather with other beleivers for praise and worship . But not under manmade dogma or rules.

 

[B-A-C]

A good number of false doctrines and false prophets claiming to have revelation from the Holy Spirit that doesn't line up with the Bible. The Bible may have dogma in it. But it is the Word of God. The church is the body of Christ. It is made up of individuals but individuals working alone are not part of it. The Bible says don't forsake assembling together. It says where two or more are gathered. It says a cord of three strands is not easily broken. It says confess your sins to each other. It says lift each other up in songs and praise. Hard to do when you are walking alone. You can't tithe. You have no accountability. No one praying for you and you probably aren't praying for the church body either. You have no one to bounce doctrine off of so it's easy to make up your own. This isn't to say there aren't some churches that full of liturgy and religion, and some have false doctrines. But that's why we need the Bible. A church isn't necessarily a building, that's true, but it definitely isn't one person standing alone.

Heb 10:25; Matt 18:20; Eccl 4:9-12; John 13:34-35; James 5:16; 2 Tim 2:15; Acts 17:10-11

 

[eldon]

Sometimes the Holy Spirit asks me and He has asked a friend of mine to go to a different church and stop the service midway through it.

So yeah, if it feels dead to you and no one in the church thinks they need to be concerned about what is going to happen to the usa in the near future, get out.
and whatever you do don't give them money unless God tells you to.

 

[Rev T.S.Perkins]

let me just say that if the Holy Spirit ask you to top a service you better be sure about it ..the bible tells us a house divided among it self will not stand ..and you must understand that when you walk in to a service the pastor will have control and you could be shut down rather suddenly.! seen it happen before and feelings got hurt .all im saying is if that is what youre called to fine but in Gods kingdom all is in order and the Holy Spirit is a gentleman not forcing its way in.....Blessings to you and may you be hearing right and be prayed up....Rev

 

[eldon]

well let me put it this way.

I asked the Lord for confirmation on something, and the person I met who was the confirmation (he was also the only person in the church who would listen to me)
was going to a church that teaches that "we're half way through the millennial reign and love is all we need because satan is locked up, the next 30 years are going to be awesome."

and the Holy Spirit told me "Heresy" just 5 seconds before the preacher literally said more or less what i just quoted...
unfortunately the preacher was being telecast to that church from a different location so i couldn't confront him.
I went back to the church the next week with my new friend and the Lord gave me an apparition (as in you close your eyes while praying and you see things) of the preacher either burning in hell or what he looked like from His perspective and then said the word "grandstanding"

these and the dead, demoralized catholic churches are the kinds of places the Saints get to flip over tables....

to be honest, the first time I wussed out too, and i called my friend up and asked him if he's ever been in the same situation and he sheepishly said "yeah, i think there is a lot more of that coming"
so i'm assuming he wussed out too the first time.. though knowing him he probably made an *** of himself too...

 

[DutchChristian]

I asked the Lord for confirmation on something, and the person I met who was the confirmation (he was also the only person in the church who would listen to me)
was going to a church that teaches that

"we're half way through the millennial reign and love is all we need because satan is locked up, the next 30 years are going to be awesome."
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That is clearly error.

You have to leave that church as quickly as possible and make a clean CUT, step out of this immediately.

Do not neglect the Holy Spirit His prompting.

Also God is not about religion at all but about having a good and personal relationship with GOD through faith in The Lord Jesus Christ!

Be careful as there is a lot of deception going on around, there are good churches out there compare and test by Scripture examine what they preach by the Word of GOD. Ask The LORD to Help you find a good church in your neighborhood.

Be diligent about it Amen and amen

 

[eldon]

The experience I had here brings up the question of how deceived can you be before you lose your reward?
It sucks watching the blind lead the blind off the cliff, knowing judgement is coming to this nation, and the church is asleep.
Yet the New Testament meaning of Blind means they don't listen to Jesus (My Sheep know My Voice)
so in a sense.. if everyone has no excuse... then they should know..

I think what it comes down to is people don't question their reality.

 

[Rev T.S.Perkins]

Grandstanding misleads people and also sets the minister up for quite a judgement from God ..i encourage you to add this man to youre prayers ..its the right way to handle it..many are called few are chosen for a reason..its a matter of the heart with us as to our amount of true ministry we can put out for God not our own feel good sense of who we are ..If a minister is making a good show of it God will examine that ministers heart..and judge Them accordingly and you also as to weather you pray for that minister or judge him now as a fraud....JUDGE NOT LEAST YOU BE JUDGED..!God may have shown you that vision of him for a reason..Pray that God show him what true ministry is before the judgement comes..Bless you ..Rev

 

[jari]

i dont goto churches (don't have a good one) because in order for church to be ministry of God it must be lead by spirit, but I found that personal praying can build you up too and that in this way you don't need the church. but there was some good spiritual moments in church too which i believe is because we christians can give these gifts to each other. Rom 1:11

i believe there are many false doctrines too used to control the masses and people are trying to lord it over others which is because when blind leads the blind its of no ones true benefit. just religion that doesn't grow us to personal relationship with God.

it depends if church is worth going if there's true spiritual leadership and not just head-knowledge religious leaders..

of course our faith is important as well and i believe not all christians are outwardly so spiritual and this doesn't mean they aren't led by the Lord.

Pro 29:18

 

[Acebopata]

My best advise, if you can't find a good Bible believing, non-agendist Church to go to, then go form your own.

 

[eldon]

I've wondered about that Rev T.S.
If i pointed out everything i found wrong with everyone else's teachings... it seems though my place is to confront them, not pray for them. they know what they are teaching.

I have no idea how long this church has been teaching that the Millennial Reign is half over, but the more i think about this it is just mind blowingly obvious stuff.
and the person i met at this church was perhaps the only person who would listen to me, in fact, i started the conversation by showing him stuff in the Bible that the preacher was leaving out.

Some say God is also pouring out the spirits of strong delusion, i feel it will be increasingly difficult to reason with people.

 

[Rev T.S.Perkins]

I've wondered about that Rev T.S.
If i pointed out everything i found wrong with everyone else's teachings... it seems though my place is to confront them, not pray for them. they know what they are teaching.

I have no idea how long this church has been teaching that the Millennial Reign is half over, but the more i think about this it is just mind blowingly obvious stuff.
and the person i met at this church was perhaps the only person who would listen to me, in fact, i started the conversation by showing him stuff in the Bible that the preacher was leaving out.

Some say God is also pouring out the spirits of strong delusion, i feel it will be increasingly difficult to reason with people.

Let me just say again that all is done in order by the Holy Spirit ..should you point out his mistakes in ministry and attitude in the pulpit do it in a loving manner between you two and God .! Not publicly or you will find pride as you're enemy ! Use wisdom and seek The Lord for the timing and words to allow God to deal with his heart not you . And pray for him I can't stress that enough ...as a minister my self I always count on the prayers of believers to keep me where God needs me to be
So I can minister truth to the best of my human ability. If he doesn't respond the way you think he should rembember this .the weeds and the wheat will be seperated on harvest day ... By the masters hand .....blessings Rev

 

[revbrad]

I have seen a lot of churches in bad shape. Many have lost the vision, many teach and preach the doctrine of man, many are in it for money or fame and so on......

I no longer am a member of a church. I conduct services in campgrounds and have a group that meets in my home weekly. However, there are still churches where God is in charge, the Holy Spirit directs and Christ is preached. During the winter when I cannot be in the campground, I attend a small church that stands on the gospel and help them out and have services in my home.

Paul was called to set up the church for the gentiles. God never said the church was finished. I know many are not following Christ but the church is not the building or those who are not following the doctrine of Christ. The church is the true, blood bought born again group of believers.

The true church is the body of Christ, joined together as a body.....we can not be a body if we are all going in different directions....let's be careful not to make Christ a parapalegic.

 

[brakelite]

There was a time in my life I went church hopping because of discontent with teachings, leadership, etc. I ended up backsliding altogether through lack of fellowship, friendship, truth, encouragement etc. I have seen others who apostatise , "being carried about with every wind of doctrine", and float around making major nuisances of themselves insinuating themselves into churches for a time then leaving behind controversy and dissent. I know of others, personal friends, who have left the church to form independant ministries. They have a small support base, and cleave to the scriptures and minister in many ways and are an influence wherever they go. Leaving the church if it is awol is an option that should be taken very seriously, but not all churches are that way.
Jesus is coming soon. You can believe that when He comes His people that He comes for will be Methodists, Catholics, Pentecostals, Presbyterians, Episcopalians, Adventists, of every tribe, language, and nation. Two things they will all have in common.

1. They will all be trusting in the death and resurrection of our Lord and Saviour as the sole basis for their redemption. They will not be relying on their goodness, their denomination, their cultural heritage, their experience, nor anything else. Not even their knowledge of the scriptures, whether it be critical or otherwise. They will not even be trying to be like Jesus, as much as they may be an admirer of Him. WWJD will not be the basis for their faith. No, they will be ultimately saved because of their faith in Jesus. And only that.
2. They will be living up to what light they have. Their lives will match their profession. Their works, the fruit of their faith, will be evdience that their faith is truly grounded in Christ alone. There will be no disharmony between their profession of faith and their practice of faith.

Certainly, many churches are corrupt, empty of spiritual life, imposters of the truth. Yet in them are many of God's children. To them is the message to be given..."come out of her My people....". Many individuals shall indeed do that as those who are annointed with the Spirit and have a passion for truth minister to these people who in their ignorance worship God in systems that are in error. Even entire churches I believe will repent and turn to Christ in these last days. There will be many repentant Laodicean churches, churches (and indiviiduals) who no longer will consider themselves rich in scriptural truth, blessed of God with material possessions, needing nothing. They will recognise their nakedness, their blindness, and their lukewarmness and indifference and will be found of Jesus when He comes to be faithful, loving mercy, doing justly, and walking humbly with their God.

It may however do us all well to consdier that the non-denominational church is now one of the fastest growing and largest denominations in the world.:wink:

PS It may also be worthwhile considering where we lead people as we witness to them What do we offer them as far as fellowship is concerned. If you cannot in all good conscience lead them to a church you trust, then you personally must take up the slack. Are you up for that? New Christians need fellowship more than anything else you can offer them. Your friendship, suppoprt, and encouragement is essential if you are unable to direct them to a good sound Bible based fellowship in your district. And if you cannot spend the time neccessary to personally do this, then you need to shed your prejudices, find somewhere as close to scriptural truth and direct them there, trusting in the Holy Spirit to guide them and lead them into all truth. If they are folowing Jesus sincerely and desire to know Him, He will watch over them.