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Soul but no GOD ?

Azmel

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Hi all,
First of all I would like to thank everyone who has responded to a
Question of mine or jus made me feel welcome on this forum,
Thank you.
My question is, a few of my family members believe in the spirit or a soul
But don't believe in a GOD. What is the best way to explain to them if their is no GOD their is no soul.
 
Better way..

Best is to just pray for them.. that God open their eyes to the glorious light of the Gospel...

Family members do not make good witnesses to other family members.. They know you..

Jesus said a prophet does not have honor in his own country because they saw Jesus Grow up as a boy, and all of a sudden he is now the son of God....

Pray for them...God has someone they will listen to..... I would not debate or try to Out logic them... because the unsaved are blind and just won't get it..

Jesus Is Lord.
 
There is no life apart from what Jesus created.

Gen 1:24-27 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the soul of life according to its kind: cattle, and creepers, and its beasts of the earth, according to its kind. And it was so. (25) And God made the beasts of the earth according to its kind, and cattle according to its kind, and all creepers of the ground according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. (26) And God said, let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the heavens, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over all the creepers creeping on the earth. (27) And God created the man in His own image; in the image of God He created him. He created them male and female.


No life = no soul.
 
Hi all,
First of all I would like to thank everyone who has responded to a
Question of mine or jus made me feel welcome on this forum,
Thank you.
My question is, a few of my family members believe in the spirit or a soul
But don't believe in a GOD. What is the best way to explain to them if their is no GOD their is no soul.

Many of my friends say they don't believe in God,
but then when someone they love dies, they say
they are happy now, and in a better place.
The truth is, many people want to believe that there
is something better and greater out there than this life
and ourselves. They want to believe that surviving isn't
the only point in life. They just have doubts about
God because He didn't do something for them the way
they wanted Him to. Ask them why they don't believe in God.
Ask them what their definition of God is. Whatever answer
they might give, show them the Bible, and read to them
about Jesus' ministry, show them the love of God.
But most of all, lead by example. Show them love even when
they do you wrong. Have joy in the midst of terrible
circumstances. Always have faith God will provide. And
they too, will want the life you have as well. You can
lead more people to Christ with your life than any
pastor ever could.
 
"The LORD God formed man out of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul" Gen. 2:7."The very God of peace sanctify you wholly: and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ" I Thess. 5:23 "The LORD God formed man out of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul" Gen. 2:7."The very God of peace sanctify you wholly: and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ" I Thess. 5:23."The LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul" Gen. 2:7. See also I Corinthians 15:45.The soul is the seat of the emotions and appetites. Plants, animals and man have bodies; only animals and man have a soul; but only man has a spirit. The soul is that conscious life which is in man and animal. Plants have life, but it is unconscious life. There is a difference between the souls of men and the souls of animals. The animal’s soul is connected with his body, while man’s soul is connected with his spirit. The soul of an animal dies with the animal, but man’s soul never dies, for he was made a "living soul" — a soul that would never die. As stated, the soul of man is the seat of his emotions and appetites, and the following Scriptures will bring out the degrees of same: Appetites: "Thou mayest kill and eat flesh in all thy gates, whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, according to the blessing of the LORD thy God which he hath given thee: the unclean and the clean may eat thereof, as of the roebuck, and as of the hart"Deut. 12:15.Desires: "If any man said unto him, Let them not fail to burn the fat presently, and then take as much as thy soul desireth; then he would answer him, Nay; but thou shalt give it me now: and if not, I will take it by force" I Sam. 2:16.See also Deuteronomy 12:20;Psalm 107:18;Proverbs 6:30;Isaiah 29:8;I Samuel 18:1.Hates: "David said on that day, Whosoever getteth up to the gutter, and smiteth the Jebusites, and the lame and the blind, that are hated of David’s soul, he shall be chief and captain. Wherefore they said, The blind and the lame shall not come into the house" II Sam. 5:8.Mourns: "His flesh upon him shall have pain, and his soul within him shall mourn" Job 14:22.Is Vexed: "The man of God said, Let her alone; for her soul is vexed within her: and the LORD hath hid it from me, and hath not told me" II Kings 4:27.Rejoices: "I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with a robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels"Is. 61:10.Suffers: "They said one to another, We are verily guilty concerning our brother, in that we saw the anguish of his soul, when he besought us, and we would not hear; therefore is this distress come upon us" Gen. 42:21. Sorrows: "He said unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful unto death: tarry ye here, and watch" Mark 14:34.Where does man get his soul?Pre-existence.This theory teaches that all souls that have ever been in the world, or shall ever be in the world, were created in the beginning. At time of conception, they are united with the body. This was taught by Plato, but it was never accepted by the church, as it is without Scriptural foundation.Creationism.This belief holds that after forty days of conception the soul unites with the body. Roman Catholicism proposes this. If this belief is true, then God is the creator of sinful souls.Traducianism. This is the truth which holds that both soul and body are derived from the parents. "Adam lived a hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth"Gen. 5:3.See also Acts 17:24-26.Spirit. Here is where man differs from all creatures. In Hebrews 12:9 God is said to be "Father of spirits." This does not mean the Father of angels, but of the spirits of men made perfect. God is never said to be the Father of souls. "As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also" Jas. 2:26.When a body dies, the soul departs with the spirit of man. The soul and spirit can be separated "the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart" Heb. 4:12.However, there is no Scriptural proof that they are ever separated. The rich man of Luke 16 goes to Hades upon death, and he has both soul and spirit with him. See also Matthew 10:28.The spirit of man is the seat of his intelligence. "What man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God" I Cor. 2:11.Animals do not possess intelligence. "Be ye not as the horse, or as the mule, which have no understanding: whose mouth must be held in with bit and bridle, lest they come near unto thee" Ps. 32:9.The word "spirit," both in the Hebrew and Greek, is sometimes translated as "breath," and "wind." The context determines the translation. The materialists say that the word for spirit should be "breath," and that when man dies he is gone forever. Some people say that man lost his spirit at the Fall and regains his spirit at conversion. This would make him a dual being however, and this conception has no Scriptural grounds.
 
Thanks to all who have replied.
I just have to say that this question came about with my Granma passing away last week. So what 'Dannibear' has said is what I'm experiencing.
 
Thanks to all who have replied.
I just have to say that this question came about with my Granma passing away last week. So what 'Dannibear' has said is what I'm experiencing.

Hello Azmel :) I have been thinking about you lately.
Is there any progress on what you have been going through?
God is putting you in the right place at the right time my
friend. It only takes a farmer willing to plant the seed of truth.
 
Hello Azmel :) I have been thinking about you lately.
Is there any progress on what you have been going through?
God is putting you in the right place at the right time my
friend. It only takes a farmer willing to plant the seed of truth.

There has not been any progress yet because I havnt talked to them yet. The reason for not talking to them is at the time of my Granma passing I wAs having doubts that GOD wAs there to help me through this. Since then I have talked to my pastor and now looking back Their was signs that GOD was there.
In the next couple of weeks when I see them again I will talk to them about it. They do not know my views on GOD, and that i am a Christian .
 
There has not been any progress yet because I havnt talked to them yet. The reason for not talking to them is at the time of my Granma passing I wAs having doubts that GOD wAs there to help me through this. Since then I have talked to my pastor and now looking back Their was signs that GOD was there.
In the next couple of weeks when I see them again I will talk to them about it. They do not know my views on GOD, and that i am a Christian .

Are you a little shy about telling them?
I understand when someone close to you who doesn't
have the same views as you doesn't know about your
faith, it can be hard to tell them.
 
Azmel,

It may be helpful for you to look up the word 'soul' in a concordance and apply a study within the Scriptures, that apply to the Greek (which means: pneuma [pnyoo'-mah]; sarx; skenoma; or psuche) and Hebrew meanings (nidybah; nidneh; nephesh; nshamah; shalah; shaphak). Usually when they give you the roots associated with certain words in the Bible, they will also refer you to the Scriptures that use this word, so you can look at it in its entire context. Sometimes the word 'soul' is also indicated as 'natural,' 'carnal,' or of the flesh or 'fleshly' in the Scriptures. If you look up these words in the Bible and apply the root of soul to what is said, I am sure the Holy Spirit will reveal more to you of what He is saying and it will be easier for you to minister to others what you have learned for yourself through His revelations He's given you.

j_sp
 
Are you a little shy about telling them?
I understand when someone close to you who doesn't
have the same views as you doesn't know about your
faith, it can be hard to tell them.

The reason i have not told them is , up until the last couple of weeks (i started about 6 months ago finding out about Jesus) i felt i didnt know enough about GOD to defend or explain my veiw and that other people would persuade me to doubt.
i feel more confident now to answer any basic questions they might have. Also i have a close relationship with my family and they would support me in anything i do, which makes it easier.
Thanks for your support.

j-sp
It may be helpful for you to look up the word 'soul' in a concordance and apply a study within the Scriptures

thanks,Ill do that
 
The reason i have not told them is , up until the last couple of weeks (i started about 6 months ago finding out about Jesus) i felt i didnt know enough about GOD to defend or explain my veiw and that other people would persuade me to doubt.
i feel more confident now to answer any basic questions they might have. Also i have a close relationship with my family and they would support me in anything i do, which makes it easier.
Thanks for your support.

j-sp

thanks,Ill do that

Ah ok. :) I am glad you decided then to grow first,
so that you may be able to stand confident in Christ!
 
Hi all,
First of all I would like to thank everyone who has responded to a
Question of mine or jus made me feel welcome on this forum,
Thank you.
My question is, a few of my family members believe in the spirit or a soul
But don't believe in a GOD. What is the best way to explain to them if their is no GOD their is no soul.

Hey Azmel,

Peace be unto you.

If they believe in a spirit, but no God, what is it that they have decided happens when one dies? Do they believe in reincarnation, or what? Does the spirit ever cease to exist?
 
"The LORD God formed man out of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul" Gen. 2:7.
You quoted this, then claimed man has a soul. Yet the scripture above clearly states that man became a soul. Therefore, rather than having a soul, and despite the vast majority of modern Christian teaching, man is a living soul. A living being.
In the scriptures where it says "my soul" etc etc, it is merely a variation of saying "my self' or "my life". It is a way of addressing oneself.

Many believe in an immortal soul or spirit even though God is spirit, and the scriptures unequivocally state that God only is immortal. (1 Timothy 6:16).
Adam and Eve were explicitly expelled from the garden before they could eat of the tree of life and receive immortality. (Genesis 3:22)
We who trust in Christ will one day receive immortality, or eternal life, (1 Cor. 15:53,54) but that is something we must seek for (Romans 2:7) therefore it is something we do not have yet.
The question is when does this happen? Answer: at the second coming when all who have believed and lived their lives in faithful obedience to Christ and the gospel, will be raised to life eternal, or if alive at the second coming, will be translated. (1 Cor. 15:51-55; John 5:25-29; John 6:40,44; John 14:3.

The resurrection, not death, was and is always the hope of the Christian. (John 6:39,40; Phil. 3:11; 1 Cor. 15:18,22,23; 1 Thess. 4:14,17.)
 
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