Speaking in Tongues: Required for Regeneration?.

[PloughBoy]

No it is not about you - the threads start off with good banter over doctrine and scripture then as the pages increase over time the threads often deteriorate into a slanging match between
one or two contributors in a tit-for-tat exchange.
Then a moderator intervenes and calls persons to order and they "clean up" the thread by deleting the nasties.

"The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’ ‘An enemy did this,’ he replied. So the servants asked him, ‘ Do you want us to go and pull them up?’ ‘No,’ he said, ‘if you pull the weeds now, you might uproot the wheat with them"

I eat "Wheaties" But most of the time, I have to fast, But when I come off, I be hungry. By that time, they be good and fat.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

While I am not sure when that oral tradition called a "sign gift " ( charismatic) made its introduction .

"The term "SIgn Gift" is generally only used by Cessationists as part of their "Theology". Pentecostals and Charismatics don't generally categorize gifts in that fashion.

Experientially, Speaking in a "tongue" in a private setting, has been common since 1900, and typically one "Baptised in the Holy Spirit" (to use Assembly of God vernacular) experiences the presence of tongues. I did, somewhat to my surprise - when they showed up in my mind and I spoke them. It's not an Ecstatic experience - not "emotional" at all, in fact. Tongues are "Just There" and you can speak 'em or not as you see fit as a means of prayer.

The EXCEPTION would be when you are specifically burdened by the Spirit to speak them in a meeting in the form of a "Message" in a meeting, which equals the "Prophetic Word" when Interpreted. 1 Cor 14 goes into details.

Observed manifestaions include tongues being spoken and subsequently accompanied by Interpretation thereof either by the tongues speaker themselves, or more commonly by another so gifted (I've been GIfted to Interpret several times in the past)..
Less frequently the tongue will be understood without interpretation, by individuals or groups.
Occasionally a person speaking in the common tongue will be heard in one or more different languages. which are not being spoken but miraculously heard anyway.

Since the above is anecdotal, the Cessationist theologian will assume it's all phony in order to fit their "theology".

Gifts are gifts, and the BEST GIFT is the one that satisfies the NEED at the time (when one is sick, the "Best Gift" would be HEALING, and "Interpretation of tongues would be useless).

The whole idea makes God into a Circus Seal

Then you should make it a point to denigrate Jesus' ministry since HE exercised MANY Spiritual Gifts publicly during his earthly walk.

 

[Garee]

The term "SIgn Gift" is generally only used by Cessationists as part of their "Theology". Pentecostals and Charismatics don't generally categorize gifts in that fashion.

Hi thanks for the reply.

Cessationists , according to my understanding in respect to receiving new prophecy. I believe the warning at the end of the last chapter of the Bible refers to the whole or now perfect. Sealed with 7 seals till the end of time under the Sun .

So then the gift or prophecy the “Tongue or poetic language of God" and the apostles as those sent to bring the gospel seed moved by the Holy Spirit bring the gospel .the law not to ad or subtract will be in effect till the last day

.Just as lying apostles and false prophets they cannot deceive the Elect believers by adding or subtracting form the perfect. . Believer have the greater witness the word of God protecting his Elect Christians in many denominations.

Again no mew prophecy God is protecting the integrity of the whole .No adding or subtracting .Satan continues with all power bringing new revelations as lying signs to wonder after. We test them by the perfect I would think.

There are no laws missing in the book of law, the Bible, by which we could know our God more adequately today. What we had in part until then again, today we have the whole. Revelation is still the last chapter by which we can try the spirits to see if they come from above or earthly inspired by mankind (a law of the fathers or hierarchy of men ) .

The idea of “sign gifts “an outward display of the works of God as self-edifying .

It is not a biblical teaching, neither making senseless sounds falling back slain in the Spirit or getting wet called, water baptism. Both have their foundation is the Old Testament. (The Law) We are warned of those who would destroy the foundation of the Doctrines of God in the Psalms by David the apostles and prophet of God ….doctrine falling down like rain So could say to the witness of the Holy Spirit using water to signify the work of His Spirit .The law and the green growth to the testimony both are required .Also referred to “the law and prophets” or “Moses to represent the law (the letter death) and prophets Elijah to represent the witness of his Spirit ”

Beautiful gospel teaching parable below " To the law and testimony " . . . one word or witness , .the light on our path

Deuteronomy 32:1-3King James Version Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth. My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:

The tongues foundation as a law is found in Isaiah 28. that law is revisited in 1 Corinthians 14: 21 (yet for all that they still refuse to believe prophecy) no understanding was given to them that mocked God therefore they who mocked God could not believe . as a witness to the law. . believe to the salvation of ones new soul . The tongue of God the power of life or death .

Yes . . Spiritual gifts in so much that a spirit has no form or as Jesus said a spirit has not flesh and bones.

Experientially, Speaking in a "tongue" in a private setting, has been common since 1900, and typically one "Baptised in the Holy Spirit" (to use Assembly of God vernacular) experiences the presence of tongues. I did, somewhat to my surprise - when they showed up in my mind and I spoke them. It's not an Ecstatic experience - not "emotional" at all, in fact. Tongues are "Just There" and you can speak 'em or not as you see fit as a means of prayer.

Experiencing the presence of tongues as senseless sounds according to my understanding when looking to the foundation of the doctrine of God that do fall from above It would not be any different than that of clanging together of cymbals or babies banging on kettles. no spiritual value as a doctrine that falls from above . Not our daily bread .

We walk by the unseen faith of Christ that works from within. He gives us his understanding as a labor of His Love as clear directions teaching us how to walk by faith . . the unseen power of our God our Savior

Ecstatic experience emotional" is wonderment or marveling. It can freeze a person causing them to fall backward.

It has no written understanding .No commandment to make a sound without understanding. How could that profit those in whom the Spirit of Christ indwells (Christians) as informed in Philippians 2 "It is God who works in us to both revel his will and empower us to perform it to His good pleasure" How could two walk together as one voice without understanding?

The EXCEPTION would be when you are specifically burdened by the Spirit to speak them in a meeting in the form of a "Message" in a meeting, which equals the "Prophetic Word" when Interpreted. 1 Cor 14 goes into details.

Observed manifestaions include tongues being spoken and subsequently accompanied by Interpretation thereof either by the tongues speaker themselves, or more commonly by another so gifted (I've been Gifted to Interpret several times in the past)..

Prophecy, the poetic tongue of God is the very interpretation that warns us of those who say we do need a man seen to teach us calling them antichrists (another teacher master ) other that the Holy Spirit the one good teaching master as Lord

The words we hear are his interpretation .God whose name is Jealous owns all things .He as it seems will not share the glory of his unseen teaching guiding comforting power with a dying creation . Its a good thing is Love is not jealous . God is Love.

 

[Christ Follower Life]

HOW TO PRAY LIKE JESUS

#1 Praise God - Our Father who art in Heaven, Hallowed be Thy name - in the prayer Jesus taught us, He started with praising God. you should too!


#2 Seek God's Will- Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done - Do you know what God's purpose for your life is? Whether you answer yes or no, you should continually seek God's plan for your life.


#3 Seek God's Favor - Give us this day our daily bread- What is it that you are in need of? Strength? Healing? Deliverance? Abundance? God has all those things and is just waiting on you to ask Him for them.


#4 Seek and Give Forgiveness - Forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors- If you want your prayers heard and answered, you must profess and seek forgiveness for your sins. You must also forgive those who have hurt you. God knows what they did to you. Let! It! Go!


#5 Seek His Protection - lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil - Whatever is your weakness, seek God's protection from it


#6 Acknowledge God - for thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory - Let God know that you know He is the one in complete control


#7 Thank God- In every recorded prayer that Jesus spoke, he gave God thanks. If Jesus thought it was important to give God thanks, you should too!

 

[Reba1]

HOW TO PRAY LIKE JESUS

#1 Praise God - Our Father who art in Heaven, Hallowed be Thy name - in the prayer Jesus taught us, He started with praising God. you should too!


#2 Seek God's Will- Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done - Do you know what God's purpose for your life is? Whether you answer yes or no, you should continually seek God's plan for your life.


#3 Seek God's Favor - Give us this day our daily bread- What is it that you are in need of? Strength? Healing? Deliverance? Abundance? God has all those things and is just waiting on you to ask Him for them.


#4 Seek and Give Forgiveness - Forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors- If you want your prayers heard and answered, you must profess and seek forgiveness for your sins. You must also forgive those who have hurt you. God knows what they did to you. Let! It! Go!


#5 Seek His Protection - lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil - Whatever is your weakness, seek God's protection from it


#6 Acknowledge God - for thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory - Let God know that you know He is the one in complete control


#7 Thank God- In every recorded prayer that Jesus spoke, he gave God thanks. If Jesus thought it was important to give God thanks, you should too!

Amen .. a bit more
Psa 100:2 Serve the LORD with gladness: come before his presence with singing.
Psa 100:3 Know ye that the LORD he is God: it is he that hath made us, and not we ourselves; we are his people, and the sheep of his pasture.
Psa 100:4 Enter into his gates with thanksgiving, and into his courts with praise: be thankful unto him, and bless his name.
Psa 100:5 For the LORD is good; his mercy is everlasting; and his truth endureth to all generations.

 

[Hitch]

I remember in the 60s 'I am coming soon' was a popular interpretation. In the 80s 'praise Me My children' was heard , since them the overwhelming majority of what I've head personally was vague beyond testing.

 

[Hitch]

"The term "SIgn Gift" is generally only used by Cessationists as part of their "Theology". Pentecostals and Charismatics don't generally categorize gifts in that fashion.

Experientially, Speaking in a "tongue" in a private setting, has been common since 1900, and typically one "Baptised in the Holy Spirit" (to use Assembly of God vernacular) experiences the presence of tongues. I did, somewhat to my surprise - when they showed up in my mind and I spoke them. It's not an Ecstatic experience - not "emotional" at all, in fact. Tongues are "Just There" and you can speak 'em or not as you see fit as a means of prayer.

The EXCEPTION would be when you are specifically burdened by the Spirit to speak them in a meeting in the form of a "Message" in a meeting, which equals the "Prophetic Word" when Interpreted. 1 Cor 14 goes into details.

Observed manifestaions include tongues being spoken and subsequently accompanied by Interpretation thereof either by the tongues speaker themselves, or more commonly by another so gifted (I've been GIfted to Interpret several times in the past)..
Less frequently the tongue will be understood without interpretation, by individuals or groups.
Occasionally a person speaking in the common tongue will be heard in one or more different languages. which are not being spoken but miraculously heard anyway.

Since the above is anecdotal, the Cessationist theologian will assume it's all phony in order to fit their "theology".

Gifts are gifts, and the BEST GIFT is the one that satisfies the NEED at the time (when one is sick, the "Best Gift" would be HEALING, and "Interpretation of tongues would be useless).



Then you should make it a point to denigrate Jesus' ministry since HE exercised MANY Spiritual Gifts publicly during his earthly walk.

Since the above is anecdotal, the Cessationist theologian will assume it's all phony in order to fit their "theology".

Or perhaps their personal experiences

 

[Garee]

Since the above is anecdotal, the Cessationist theologian will assume it's all phony in order to fit their "theology".

Or perhaps their personal experiences

The law and the testimony usually does expose the phonies or counterfeit . Personal experience is not the validation of faith (Christ's)

 

[Hitch]

The law and the testimony usually does expose the phonies or counterfeit . Personal experience is not the validation of faith (Christ's)

Huh?

 

[Garee]

Huh?

Thanks for the reply. its a little work but I think worth it in the end . One of the laws of interpretation in mentioned before below. Note as one word (this word) describing the law of faith the eternal law, not seen It must be mixed with God understanding as it is written

Isaiah 8: 20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

If a person would follow the law to the end of the doctrine of tongues (the spirit of judgment). God exposes the drunks that call the true prophets of Gods drunks. Preaching to the choir of drunks mocking God

Acts 2: 14-17 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: (every nation) and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

So then two prophecies are fulfilled at the same time period . The gift of faith hearing prophecy. and the xposed of those who serve another teaching master .Thie own selves .


I would offer making a baby sound with no understanding as a self edifying gift is simply an oral tradition of faithless Jews, a law of the fathers, who were trusting in their Jewish flesh . They refused to believe a Jew is one inwardly led by the Spirt of Christ, not one outwardly according to the flesh . That kind of idea would describe the wisdom of the world (signs and wonders seekers) limited to what the eyes see, and not what the Spirt of Christ in them did reveal . They like Cain or Esau so no value in the unseen eternal things of God.

To the law and the testimony as "one authority" .If other speak not according to the law of faith (believing prophecy as it is written) .Then we are informed in that law not subject to change there is no light in the path . They would fall wayside in the darkness. The unbelieving Jew had come to place that they mocked the word of God . he propmised he would come and give his prophecy in all the languages of al the nations of the world and hide the meaning from those who do mock the Spirt of jusgded slain in the Spirt faling backward as if dead .

To the law below


Isaiah 28: 7-8 But now those leaders are drunk. The priests and prophets are all drunk with wine and beer. They stumble and fall down. The prophets are drunk when they see their dreams. The judges are drunk when they make their decisions. Every table is covered with vomit. There is not a clean place anywhere.

God Wants to Help His People

Isaiah 28: 9-13 The people say, “Who does he think he is trying to teach and explain his message to? Does he think we are babies who were at their mother’s breast only a very short time ago? He speaks to us as though we were babies:

“Saw lasaw saw lasaw
Qaw laqaw qaw laqaw
Ze’er sham ze’er sham.”

So God will use this strange way of talking, and he will use other languages to speak to these people. In the past he spoke to them and said, “Here is a resting place. Let those who are tired come and rest. This is the place of peace.” But they would not listen to him. So the Lord’s words will be senseless sounds[to them:

“Saw lasaw saw lasaw.
Qaw laqaw qaw laqaw.
Ze’er sham ze’er sham.”

When the people try to walk, they will fall backwards. (slain the the spirt) They will be defeated, trapped, and captured.

(No One Escapes God’s Judgment)

And the testimony as it is written .Yet for all that they still refused to believe scripture.

1 Corhitians 14: 21 In the law (Isaiah 28) it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips (other nations) will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues (prophecy) are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying (tongues) serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

 

[Garee]

Thanks for the reply. its a little work but I think worth it in the end . One of the laws of interpretation in mentioned before below. Note as one word (this word) describing the law of faith the eternal law, not seen It must be mixed with God understanding as it is written

Isaiah 8: 20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

If a person would follow the law to the end of the doctrine of tongues (the spirit of judgment). God exposes the drunks that call the true prophets of Gods drunks. Preaching to the choir of drunks mocking God

Acts 2: 14-17 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: (every nation) and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

So then two prophecies are fulfilled at the same time period . The gift of faith hearing prophecy. and the exposed of those who serve another teaching master .Their own selves .


I would offer making a baby sound with no understanding as a self edifying gift is simply an oral tradition of faithless Jews, a law of the fathers, who were trusting in their Jewish flesh . They refused to believe a Jew is one inwardly led by the Spirt of Christ, not one outwardly according to the flesh . That kind of idea would describe the wisdom of the world (signs and wonders seekers) limited to what the eyes see, and not what the Spirt of Christ in them did reveal . They like Cain or Esau so no value in the unseen eternal things of God.

To the law and the testimony as "one authority" .If other speak not according to the law of faith (believing prophecy as it is written) .Then we are informed in that law not subject to change there is no light in the path . They would fall wayside in the darkness. The unbelieving Jew had come to place that they mocked the word of God . he propmised he would come and give his prophecy in all the languages of al the nations of the world and hide the meaning from those who do mock the Spirt of judged slain in the Spirit falling backward as if dead .

To the law below

Isaiah 28: 7-8 But now those leaders are drunk. The priests and prophets are all drunk with wine and beer. They stumble and fall down. The prophets are drunk when they see their dreams. The judges are drunk when they make their decisions. Every table is covered with vomit. There is not a clean place anywhere.

God Wants to Help His People

Isaiah 28: 9-13 The people say, “Who does he think he is trying to teach and explain his message to? Does he think we are babies who were at their mother’s breast only a very short time ago? He speaks to us as though we were babies:

“Saw lasaw saw lasaw
Qaw laqaw qaw laqaw
Ze’er sham ze’er sham.”

So God will use this strange way of talking, and he will use other languages to speak to these people. In the past he spoke to them and said, “Here is a resting place. Let those who are tired come and rest. This is the place of peace.” But they would not listen to him. So the Lord’s words will be senseless sounds[to them:

“Saw lasaw saw lasaw.
Qaw laqaw qaw laqaw.
Ze’er sham ze’er sham.”

When the people try to walk, they will fall backwards. (slain the the spirt) They will be defeated, trapped, and captured.

(No One Escapes God’s Judgment)

And the testimony as it is written .Yet for all that they still refused to believe scripture.

1 Corhitians 14: 21 In the law (Isaiah 28) it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips (other nations) will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues (prophecy) are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying (tongues) serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

 

[Hitch]

Thanks for the reply. its a little work but I think worth it in the end . One of the laws of interpretation in mentioned before below. Note as one word (this word) describing the law of faith the eternal law, not seen It must be mixed with God understanding as it is written

Isaiah 8: 20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

If a person would follow the law to the end of the doctrine of tongues (the spirit of judgment). God exposes the drunks that call the true prophets of Gods drunks. Preaching to the choir of drunks mocking God

Acts 2: 14-17 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: (every nation) and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

So then two prophecies are fulfilled at the same time period . The gift of faith hearing prophecy. and the xposed of those who serve another teaching master .Thie own selves .


I would offer making a baby sound with no understanding as a self edifying gift is simply an oral tradition of faithless Jews, a law of the fathers, who were trusting in their Jewish flesh . They refused to believe a Jew is one inwardly led by the Spirt of Christ, not one outwardly according to the flesh . That kind of idea would describe the wisdom of the world (signs and wonders seekers) limited to what the eyes see, and not what the Spirt of Christ in them did reveal . They like Cain or Esau so no value in the unseen eternal things of God.

To the law and the testimony as "one authority" .If other speak not according to the law of faith (believing prophecy as it is written) .Then we are informed in that law not subject to change there is no light in the path . They would fall wayside in the darkness. The unbelieving Jew had come to place that they mocked the word of God . he propmised he would come and give his prophecy in all the languages of al the nations of the world and hide the meaning from those who do mock the Spirt of jusgded slain in the Spirt faling backward as if dead .

To the law below


Isaiah 28: 7-8 But now those leaders are drunk. The priests and prophets are all drunk with wine and beer. They stumble and fall down. The prophets are drunk when they see their dreams. The judges are drunk when they make their decisions. Every table is covered with vomit. There is not a clean place anywhere.

God Wants to Help His People

Isaiah 28: 9-13 The people say, “Who does he think he is trying to teach and explain his message to? Does he think we are babies who were at their mother’s breast only a very short time ago? He speaks to us as though we were babies:

“Saw lasaw saw lasaw
Qaw laqaw qaw laqaw
Ze’er sham ze’er sham.”

So God will use this strange way of talking, and he will use other languages to speak to these people. In the past he spoke to them and said, “Here is a resting place. Let those who are tired come and rest. This is the place of peace.” But they would not listen to him. So the Lord’s words will be senseless sounds[to them:

“Saw lasaw saw lasaw.
Qaw laqaw qaw laqaw.
Ze’er sham ze’er sham.”

When the people try to walk, they will fall backwards. (slain the the spirt) They will be defeated, trapped, and captured.

(No One Escapes God’s Judgment)

And the testimony as it is written .Yet for all that they still refused to believe scripture.

1 Corhitians 14: 21 In the law (Isaiah 28) it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips (other nations) will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues (prophecy) are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying (tongues) serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

I have'nt the foggiest notion of what you're getting at.

 

[Garee]

I have'nt the foggiest notion of what you're getting at.

You need to study . Look to the foundation of the teaching as law. (Isaiah 28) and then see how it appliers to the same law spoken of in 1 1 Corinthians 14: 21 .

Then we might have a better chance at understanding what the Holy Spirt is saying.
From my experiences when one who is making senseless noises and falling back slain in the spirt is asked to look to the foundation of the doctrine. They are done .

They love the ecstatic wondering , wondering faithless experience as those who do seek after signs and lying wonders .

.

 

[Hitch]

You need to study . Look to the foundation of the teaching as law. (Isaiah 28) and then see how it appliers to the same law spoken of in 1 1 Corinthians 14: 21 .

Then we might have a better chance at understanding what the Holy Spirt is saying.
From my experiences when one who is making senseless noises and falling back slain in the spirt is asked to look to the foundation of the doctrine. They are done .

They love the ecstatic wondering , wondering faithless experience as those who do seek after signs and lying wonders .

.

So you're saying 'slain in the Spirit' etc is unscriptural ?

 

[Garee]

So you're saying 'slain in the Spirit' etc is unscriptural ?

Yes, as a sign against them that do perform the mockery . Mocking the spirit of Judgment represent by the tribe of Dan . Dan used as a metaphor in the parable to represent the spirit of judgement. . Called a brood of vipers spoken of by Jesus. That parable uses the poison of false prophecy , false apostles as those on a high house a of false pride effected by false prophecy (poison) they fall backward breaking their neck slain in the Spirit of Christ. .

The doctrine of the spirt of judgment is used that way throughout the bible . No such thing as a sign gift .the sign shows they mock the spirit of Judgement wondering as they do fall back .

Genesis 49: 16-17 Dan shall judge his people, as one of the tribes of Israel. Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward.

Judas is used as a example to those who fall backwards on hearing the power of the word . I Am words of life or death slain in the spirit again falling back breaking neck to include hanging on a high horse .

John 18: 5-8 They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them.
As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground. Then asked he them again, Whom seek ye? And they said, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus answered, I have told you that I am he: if therefore ye seek me, let these go their way:

Three times with the word three denoting the end of a matter .Once to condemn as judgment ( falling back) and the other to release the born again captives.

There are other examples.. that used the spirt of judgment those who fail back slain in the Spirt as not redeemed. Makes for a great study.

 

[Hitch]

Yes, as a sign against them that do perform the mockery . Mocking the spirit of Judgment represent by the tribe of Dan . Dan used as a metaphor in the parable to represent the spirit of judgement. . Called a brood of vipers spoken of by Jesus. That parable uses the poison of false prophecy , false apostles as those on a high house a of false pride effected by false prophecy (poison) they fall backward breaking their neck slain in the Spirit of Christ. .

The doctrine of the spirt of judgment is used that way throughout the bible . No such thing as a sign gift .the sign shows they mock the spirit of Judgement wondering as they do fall back .

Genesis 49: 16-17 Dan shall judge his people, as one of the tribes of Israel. Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward.

Judas is used as a example to those who fall backwards on hearing the power of the word . I Am words of life or death slain in the spirit again falling back breaking neck to include hanging on a high horse .

John 18: 5-8 They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them.
As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground. Then asked he them again, Whom seek ye? And they said, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus answered, I have told you that I am he: if therefore ye seek me, let these go their way:

Three times with the word three denoting the end of a matter .Once to condemn as judgment ( falling back) and the other to release the born again captives.

There are other examples.. that used the spirt of judgment those who fail back slain in the Spirt as not redeemed. Makes for a great study.

While i agree 'slain in the Spirit' is nonsense, seems you're reading quite a lot into it.

 

[Garee]

While i agree 'slain in the Spirit' is nonsense, seems you're reading quite a lot into it.

I beleive I am simply following the doctrine using the tribe of Dan (the spirit of judgment falling back, breaking neck following it to the end of the matter

Again identifying the spirit of judgement using the tribe of Dan used throughout the scriptures in parables . . wherever one fall backward break neck , again it indicates they were under the spirit of judgement .(Dan)

Interesting in the description of the bride of Christ the church in Revelation 21. The Holy Spirit uses tribes as a metaphor to represent the gates by which we enter into fellowship as a law representing all of the testament saints . And as a testimony to that law (to the law and testimony) the new testament prophets . He uses 12 apostles as supporting walls to the city, prepared as the same bride ,

Apostles are used to represent those who go out of the city with the gospel . 12 times 12 the 144, 000 the golden measure a number no man could count..

Both the tribe of Dan (the spirit of judgement) is not part of the new order as well as the apostle Judas . Dan is eliminated from revelation.

Falling back, slain in the spirt is used in many parables. . I would think purposely . It is not a salvation issue it just helps define the gospel.

1 Samuel 4:18 And it came to pass, when he made mention of the ark of God, that he fell from off the seat backward by the side of the gate, and his neck brake, and he died: for he was an old man, and heavy. And he had judged Israel forty years.

John 18:6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.

The spirit of judgment as a cerimoninil law .

Exodus 13:13 And every firstling of an ass thou shalt redeem with a lamb; and if thou wilt not redeem it, then thou shalt break his neck: and all the firstborn of man among thy children shalt thou redeem.

Psalm 40:14 Let them be ashamed and confounded together that seek after my soul to destroy it; let them be driven backward and put to shame that wish me evil.

Psalm 70:2 Let them be ashamed and confounded that seek after my soul: let them be turned backward, and put to confusion, that desire my hurt.

Isaiah 1:4 Ah sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of evildoers, children that are corrupters: they have forsaken the Lord, they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone away backward.

Isaiah 59:14 And judgment is turned away backward, and justice standeth afar off: for truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter.

All suicides' show a person was under the judgment of the parable using Dan . Believing false prophecy the poison of serpents they fall and break neck as in hanging.

Mathew 27: 4-5 Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that. And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.

Esther 9:14 And the king commanded it so to be done: and the decree was given at Shushan; and they hanged Haman's ten sons.

2 Samael 18: 9-10 And Absalom met the servants of David. And Absalom rode upon a mule, and the mule went under the thick boughs of a great oak, and his head caught hold of the oak, and he was taken up between the heaven and the earth; and the mule that was under him went away. And a certain man saw it, and told Joab, and said, Behold, I saw Absalom hanged in an oak.

 

[Curtis]

Jesus spoke in the language of faith which can be spoken in any dialect on this world.

 

[Garee]

Jesus spoke in the language of faith which can be spoken in any dialect on this world.

I would agree and offer our new tongue which is the born again privilege of preaching the gospel is sign that follows the author and perfecter of Faith that does work in us making our burdens lighter.

It does not follow after making a noise without meaning . . .falling backward slain in the spirit. The evidence drinking in the poison of a brood of vipers those who mock the spirit of judgement using the tribe of Dan to represent His Spirit of slaying judgement .

The gospel in the parable below.

Mark 16:17-18 And these signs shall follow them (not lead them) that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They (born again believers) shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

The law of the Spirit of judgement

Genesis 49:16-17 Dan shall judge his people, as one of the tribes of Israel. Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward.

A different way then saying get off your high horse . . .stop mocking God .

The testimony of the law.(Genesis 49) using Jesus the true prophet and Judas the false prophet ..

John 18: 5-8 They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them.
As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground. Then asked he them again, Whom seek ye? And they said, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus answered, I have told you that I am he: if therefore ye seek me, let these go their way:

Powerful word I am he the power of life or death . Those who did seek Christ were to let those slain in the spirit go there own way .

Falling back or turned back is used that way to represent the Spirit of judgement of unbelievers It is shown in several places the testimonies of the tribe of Dan ending in Revelation 21 .

 

[vhusley]

I would agree and offer our new tongue which is the born again privilege of preaching the gospel is sign that follows the author and perfecter of Faith that does work in us making our burdens lighter.

It does not follow after making a noise without meaning . . .falling backward slain in the spirit. The evidence drinking in the poison of a brood of vipers those who mock the spirit of judgement using the tribe of Dan to represent His Spirit of slaying judgement .

The gospel in the parable below.

Mark 16:17-18 And these signs shall follow them (not lead them) that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They (born again believers) shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

The law of the Spirit of judgement

Genesis 49:16-17 Dan shall judge his people, as one of the tribes of Israel. Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward.

A different way then saying get off your high horse . . .stop mocking God .

The testimony of the law.(Genesis 49) using Jesus the true prophet and Judas the false prophet ..

John 18: 5-8 They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them.
As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground. Then asked he them again, Whom seek ye? And they said, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus answered, I have told you that I am he: if therefore ye seek me, let these go their way:

Powerful word I am he the power of life or death . Those who did seek Christ were to let those slain in the spirit go there own way .

Falling back or turned back is used that way to represent the Spirit of judgement of unbelievers It is shown in several places the testimonies of the tribe of Dan ending in Revelation 21 .

Garee, what if I were to fall forward slain in the Spirit?