Studying Exodus 18

[theLeadmonger]

"When Jethro, the priest of Midian, Moses' father-in-law, heard of all that God had done for Moses, and for Israel and his people, and that the Lord had brought Israel out of Egypt, then Jethro, Moses' father in law, took Zipporah, Moses' wife, after he had sent her back, and her two sons, of which the name of the one was Gershom; for he said, I have been an alien in a strange land: and the name of the other was Eliezer; for the God of my father, said he, was mine help, and delivered me from the sword of Pharoh." (Exodus 18: 1-4)

Exodus 18 contains the first written recorded use of the word "alien", in commonly spoken translated English. The aliens are the Hebrews (Israel, the Jews), and who they are alien to are the Egyptians, the nation of Pharoah.

Does anyone have any thoughts on the coinage and usage of the word "alien"? The Bible record indicates that aliens are internal to a foreign country, specifically Egypt. They don't come from outer space; they are descended from Adam who was created out of the dust of the ground in the Garden of Eden. This has nothing to do with ships at all, unless you search back in your Bible to the Genesis story of Noah's Ark.

 

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Hello @theLeadmonger,

This word, translated, 'alien' has the Strong's Concordance No. H1616, which is from H1481, meaning a guest , by implication a foreigner: Translated elsewhere in Scripture:- alien, sojourner, stranger. Occurring 92 times.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[theLeadmonger]

Hello @theLeadmonger,

This word, translated, 'alien' has the Strong's Concordance No. H1616, which is from H1481, meaning a guest , by implication a foreigner: Translated elsewhere in Scripture:- alien, sojourner, stranger. Occurring 92 times.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Chris, there are all kinds of guests, and all kinds of foreigners. You say that the Bible often speaks of aliens. Thus far in my studies, only Israel has a nominal remembrance of being alien, and that was as slaves in the land of Egypt.

What does this say to you about the differences in relationships as nationals between Israel and its surrounding nations, and the surrounding nations beliefs regarding nationality? Jethro saw his country as having had a relationship of alienness to Pharoh, but Egypt considered their Pharaohs gods. Israel sees the world as contain other races of people, to whom their state has to have relations, often including warfare, although diplomacy is present in passages.

An Israelite knows when he is an alien, or a stranger in a strange land, relative to the local rulers, but an Egyptian or Babylonian sees himself as a god, or as the descendants of "the gods", or rightfully in another's country because of some relationship to God.

 

[Garee]

Chris, there are all kinds of guests, and all kinds of foreigners. You say that the Bible often speaks of aliens. Thus far in my studies, only Israel has a nominal remembrance of being alien, and that was as slaves in the land of Egypt.

What does this say to you about the differences in relationships as nationals between Israel and its surrounding nations, and the surrounding nations beliefs regarding nationality? Jethro saw his country as having had a relationship of alienness to Pharoh, but Egypt considered their Pharaohs gods. Israel sees the world as contain other races of people, to whom their state has to have relations, often including warfare, although diplomacy is present in passages.

An Israelite knows when he is an alien, or a stranger in a strange land, relative to the local rulers, but an Egyptian or Babylonian sees himself as a god, or as the descendants of "the gods", or rightfully in another's country because of some relationship to God.

I would offer first and foremost that all Israel is not born again Israel as the bride of Christ the church .

Our struggle is not flesh and blood against flesh and blood but is about the hidden things where mysteries are revealed in parables.

Romans 9:5-7King James Versio Who are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham,(God) are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

The same with the word Jew .a Jew is not one outwardly according to the flesh the temporal. A born again Jew is one inwardly born of God.

The father renamed her Christian .. .literally in Acts meaning residents of the heavenly city named after her husband Christ. A more befitting word to represent the God of all nations called Abraham. agin meaning god of every nation/

The Pharaoh represents the god of this world. Just as the son of man Jesus sent as a ambassador from Christ to the cities or kingdoms of this world .

As a demonstration to the world . He moved his ambassadors from one nation to another for 40 years as ceremonial display of the gospel .Then born again Israel entered the eternal land represented by the rudiments of this world . . the temporal alienated .

 

[theLeadmonger]

Ancient Israel was alienated by being sold into slavery in Egypt before it either received the law at Mount Siani or incorporated as a tribal patriarchy under Moses in the Wilderness or before it became a Kingdom by means of two divine anointings by ordained Levite prophets and a civil war.

The condition of being an alien within the state either in relation to the Israeli government or as an Israeli to the Israeli government seen as it's laws or as an Israeli in relation to another foreign state like Egypt is what I'm studying for. I'm willing to apologize for being a weekday person at a weekend-oriented website, but it's a Wednesday, and I'm working on this in the service of understanding John Adams' Alien and Sedition Act, entirely in English in the original version. The two Hebrew names given by Jethro indicate an individual citizen's private level memorialization on the slavery in Egypt. It's about the individual as related directly so society while a stand-alone solo individual, the personal identity. I'm not being an internationalist, within the exclusive confines of the republic, all law is conducted between the citizen Sinn Fein, (you might know what that means) and the law, superior to the judge or to any and all other actors present at the trial.

Israelites names on leaving slavery in Egypt were renewed by the recorded act of Jethro, specifically to remember the trials of Abraham's offspring. Modern Egyptian aliens in exactly the same legal standing in North America, however, practice the exact opposite naming pattern, and get rid of slave names.

Jew: lead out of slavery by divine intervention alone, by grammatical convention remembers the slavery of his race in Egypt.
Egyptian: rescued from slavery by military might alone, and that a foreign intervention, by grammatical convention in naming practices to forget slave status.

Any thoughts?

 

[Garee]

Ancient Israel was alienated by being sold into slavery in Egypt before it either received the law at Mount Siani or incorporated as a tribal patriarchy under Moses in the Wilderness or before it became a Kingdom by means of two divine anointings by ordained Levite prophets and a civil war.

The condition of being an alien within the state either in relation to the Israeli government or as an Israeli to the Israeli government seen as it's laws or as an Israeli in relation to another foreign state like Egypt is what I'm studying for. I'm willing to apologize for being a weekday person at a weekend-oriented website, but it's a Wednesday, and I'm working on this in the service of understanding John Adams' Alien and Sedition Act, entirely in English in the original version. The two Hebrew names given by Jethro indicate an individual citizen's private level memorialization on the slavery in Egypt. It's about the individual as related directly so society while a stand-alone solo individual, the personal identity. I'm not being an internationalist, within the exclusive confines of the republic, all law is conducted between the citizen Sinn Fein, (you might know what that means) and the law, superior to the judge or to any and all other actors present at the trial.

Israelites names on leaving slavery in Egypt were renewed by the recorded act of Jethro, specifically to remember the trials of Abraham's offspring. Modern Egyptian aliens in exactly the same legal standing in North America, however, practice the exact opposite naming pattern, and get rid of slave names.

Jew: lead out of slavery by divine intervention alone, by grammatical convention remembers the slavery of his race in Egypt.
Egyptian: rescued from slavery by military might alone, and that a foreign intervention, by grammatical convention in naming practices to forget slave status.

Any thoughts?

That would seem to support that not only did he comfort them and teach them but by the power of His faith He also brought to memory the former things taught.

In that was no such thing as self taught but rather taught of God .He warns of those who say we do need a man to teach us. (antichrists)

John 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

Joh 14:25-26 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

New word to me. Does the idea of "grammatical convention" define the working of a parable?

 

[theLeadmonger]

That would seem to support that not only did he comfort them and teach them but by the power of His faith He also brought to memory the former things taught.

In that was no such thing as self taught but rather taught of God .He warns of those who say we do need a man to teach us. (antichrists)

John 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

Joh 14:25-26 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

New word to me. Does the idea of "grammatical convention" define the working of a parable?

"Grammatical Convention" is similar to "Generally Accepted Accounting Principles". Both the English Language and counting numbers are international, based on politics. However, both arithmetic and grammar tend to stay the same from government to government.

A Parable of Jesus is a SIMILE. When Jesus begins a story by saying "The Kingdom of Heaven is like unto..." He is using a narrative simile. In storytelling, a grammatical simile is the equivalent of what would be called a rational comparison in logic. Many pastors use the geometric term "parallel", but in grammar it's called a simile.

So that you can put this into rational perspective, the simile is paralleled in grammar by the metaphor. A simile is an illustration of something given by describing what it is like, while a metaphor is a poetic muse on the thing by exactly identifying it with something else. The two words are synonymous, but a simile is used in prose, and a metaphor is used in poetry.

If you would prefer to look at the question mathematically, by way of comparison, a simile is to speech as a parallel is to geometry; a metaphor is to speech as an equality is to arithmetic.

Jesus taught the parables in natural narrative speech, written down by His scribes as prose, many preachers teach prophecy as a metaphor, emphasizing that the symbols (fantastic beasts, women of varied moral character, waters, statues of ancient men and so on) are EXACTLY IDENTICAL to the projected coming events, by virtue of the fact that the passages they teach from are classified as prophecy.

The parables are prose pedagogy, which is teaching to a group who are anointed or appointed to converse with you on your subject. Prophecy is exactly immutable and absolute, it's not pedagogical and open to dialoged as with Jesus of Nazareth of Socrates of Greece, but direct revelation from God.

That was not a complete expostulation, but I may have overwritten.

 

[theLeadmonger]

Without further ado, this is my next "aliens verse", Deuteronomy 14: 21. "Ye shall not eat of anything that dieth of itself: thou shalt give it to the stranger that is in thy gates; that he may eat it; or thou mayst sell it to an alien: for thou art an holy people to the lord thy God. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk."

This is one for the food and drug administration. Food and Drugs are together in the state system, just as alcohol, tobacco and firearms are together in the state. At first, they look like they'll have nothing in common, in fact they look to be quite the opposites of each other. Remember that drugs and medicine are not counted as the same thing on the commercial market, even with prescription requirements figure into the equation.

In spite of the highly stratified and traditional FDA, modernist doctors, therapists, alternative practitioners of all kinds and even churches have amalgamated food with the health care industry.

What does this have to do with aliens?

 

[theLeadmonger]

Hello @theLeadmonger,

This word, translated, 'alien' has the Strong's Concordance No. H1616, which is from H1481, meaning a guest , by implication a foreigner: Translated elsewhere in Scripture:- alien, sojourner, stranger. Occurring 92 times.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Interesting. In terms of the modern entertainment that comes up around the water cooler, are you able to be enlightening as to whether the Bible treats the subject of citizen/alien status regarding Jesus Christ, the angels, and the fallen angels? I need to form a parallel in church/state ratio.

The first Biblical use of the word "alien" is in the context of human-human interaction, it's not a divine commend that alienation in Egypt be remembered, nor is it a direct family (parent, pedagogy, foreshadowing of the fifth commandment) case, Jethro is only an employer and an "in law" family relative. For all we know by means of literal textual critique, Moses and his wife aren't even legally married! It was only under the laws of Egypt if at all, wasn't it? Or do owning flocks and herds and relative status to a significant other mean anything?

Now this Noun business of naming is ONLY THE LAW. It's STRICTLY HUMAN ORIGIANITED.

Where do you stand on this totally human lawgiving in religious terms? Has God been alienated from His creation by the fall? Whose fault is that? Is it Lucifer, Satan, a reptile, or Adam and Eve? Does this effect the doctrine of the Trinity, and would God have been more like a sole monotheistic creator without the fall and the need for the incarnation?

In your considered linguistic opinion, thinking of the way you normally use the English language, in common speech including privately with just family and friends, would the lack of a rebellion on Satan's part have affected the absolute number of persons which you tend to use when speaking from your theological education and experience on the subject of God? How, and in what way? Would it have affected your choice of pronoun, had God not condescended to have incarnated, and Adam and Even remained without sin by refusing the tree fruit, would you have called God "He", "She", or "They"?

Just as a hypothetical meditation. Remember that although there was only one God before the alienating fall, there were many angels.

 

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Hello @theLeadmonger,

Thank you for your responses, and for the questions you have posed. I acknowledge them, and will come back to them, but have to go offline until tomorrow, so will tackle it then, God willing.

Within the love of Christ our Saviour,
our Lord and Head.
Chris

 

[Garee]

"Grammatical Convention" is similar to "Generally Accepted Accounting Principles". Both the English Language and counting numbers are international, based on politics. However, both arithmetic and grammar tend to stay the same from government to government.

A Parable of Jesus is a SIMILE. When Jesus begins a story by saying "The Kingdom of Heaven is like unto..." He is using a narrative simile. In storytelling, a grammatical simile is the equivalent of what would be called a rational comparison in logic. Many pastors use the geometric term "parallel", but in grammar it's called a simile.

So that you can put this into rational perspective, the simile is paralleled in grammar by the metaphor. A simile is an illustration of something given by describing what it is like, while a metaphor is a poetic muse on the thing by exactly identifying it with something else. The two words are synonymous, but a simile is used in prose, and a metaphor is used in poetry.

If you would prefer to look at the question mathematically, by way of comparison, a simile is to speech as a parallel is to geometry; a metaphor is to speech as an equality is to arithmetic.

Jesus taught the parables in natural narrative speech, written down by His scribes as prose, many preachers teach prophecy as a metaphor, emphasizing that the symbols (fantastic beasts, women of varied moral character, waters, statues of ancient men and so on) are EXACTLY IDENTICAL to the projected coming events, by virtue of the fact that the passages they teach from are classified as prophecy.

The parables are prose pedagogy, which is teaching to a group who are anointed or appointed to converse with you on your subject. Prophecy is exactly immutable and absolute, it's not pedagogical and open to dialoged as with Jesus of Nazareth of Socrates of Greece, but direct revelation from God.

That was not a complete expostulation, but I may have overwritten.

Hi thanks I would offer.

In the 50's Psychiatrist were called Alienist.

I would offer. . Parables the poetic tongue songs of God. By which we can make music nour hearts yoked with Christ.

Zephaniah 3:17 The Lord thy God in the midst of thee is mighty; he will save, he will rejoice over thee with joy; he will rest in his love, he will joy over thee with singing.

Mathematically as in dividing which is interpreting. . . yes. Not adding or subtracting. (oral traditions) We seek his approval as it is written.

He warns the believer over and over that we need no man to teach us. (antichrists) We offer our private interpretations as personal commentaries to what we think he is teaching, called heresies. (matters of opinion)...sect, denomination, family, whenever two or three gather under the power of his name,

In order to keep the integrity of his living abiding word as the one author. He has provided two witnesses .The first in Deuteronomy 4 :2 there informing us warning of what I call spiritual plagiarism, in that case in respect to one word do not add from its meaning or subtract. Rather than rightly divide. One word can change all the commandments . (Surely you will not die look at by my beauty (SSSSSsssss) and live forever.

The first cloud of witness lighting the path. . .

Deuteronomy 4:1-2King James Version4 Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments, which I teach you, for to do them, that ye may live, and go in and possess the land which the Lord God of your fathers giveth you.Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

The second cloud of witness the rear guard protecting the integrity of the whole or perfect.

Revelation 22:18-21 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

Again looking at the word you offered ("Grammatical Convention") saying it is similar to "Generally Accepted Accounting Principles".
Call that. . . the wisdom of this world.

In a spiritual understanding . . comparing the things of God not seen to the same eternal power of faith , faith to faith.(1 Corinthians 2:13 I call that. . . . the unseen wisdom of God hid from men .

Grammatical Convention defined "a private or secret agreement," from Old French convencion "agreement"

The hidden manna agreement taste like the daily bread of honey..

Possibly ?????? Without Grammatical Convention Christ spoke not ????

 

[theLeadmonger]

Hi thanks I would offer.

In the 50's Psychiatrist were called Alienist.

I would offer. . Parables the poetic tongue songs of God. By which we can make music nour hearts yoked with Christ.

Zephaniah 3:17 The Lord thy God in the midst of thee is mighty; he will save, he will rejoice over thee with joy; he will rest in his love, he will joy over thee with singing.

Mathematically as in dividing which is interpreting. . . yes. Not adding or subtracting. (oral traditions) We seek his approval as it is written.

He warns the believer over and over that we need no man to teach us. (antichrists) We offer our private interpretations as personal commentaries to what we think he is teaching, called heresies. (matters of opinion)...sect, denomination, family, whenever two or three gather under the power of his name,

In order to keep the integrity of his living abiding word as the one author. He has provided two witnesses .The first in Deuteronomy 4 :2 there informing us warning of what I call spiritual plagiarism, in that case in respect to one word do not add from its meaning or subtract. Rather than rightly divide. One word can change all the commandments . (Surely you will not die look at by my beauty (SSSSSsssss) and live forever.

The first cloud of witness lighting the path. . .

Deuteronomy 4:1-2King James Version4 Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments, which I teach you, for to do them, that ye may live, and go in and possess the land which the Lord God of your fathers giveth you.Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

The second cloud of witness the rear guard protecting the integrity of the whole or perfect.

Revelation 22:18-21 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

Again looking at the word you offered ("Grammatical Convention") saying it is similar to "Generally Accepted Accounting Principles".
Call that. . . the wisdom of this world.

In a spiritual understanding . . comparing the things of God not seen to the same eternal power of faith , faith to faith.(1 Corinthians 2:13 I call that. . . . the unseen wisdom of God hid from men .

Grammatical Convention defined "a private or secret agreement," from Old French convencion "agreement"

The hidden manna agreement taste like the daily bread of honey..

Possibly ?????? Without Grammatical Convention Christ spoke not ????

I don't mean to be an unbearable pedant. Logical grammar requires a convention, seeing a convention as a free assembly, gathered together individually under contract. Each individual unit of the assembly is freestanding, it becomes a convention by right of the law when they all sign the contract together. Since rationality is a comparison between two quantities or measures, there have to be at least two members of a group for there to be a rational assembly. A proportion is the comparison of two rational pairs, a minimum of four members is required. That's for rational discourse, two people conducting either dialogue or debate on a set topic, by agreement and for a public, which could be the people in a republic (politically) or God religiously (prayer meeting, the monastery). Dialogue, debate, and legislation regarding the public are done in prose. Now if it's just God, you, the prophet or another individual praying, that's fourth amendment privacy. The contract still applies, because God hears you, but it's not public, meaning not literally and legally "republican", although first amendment free exercise is enforceable, as precedent shows by Daniel at his window, John in the press, and Thomas Jefferson in Philidelphia.

I know were really anti liberal by convention around here, but it's publicly accessible, and I have to keep my corporate lawyers happy in New York.

 

[Garee]

Since rationality is a comparison between two quantities or measures, there have to be at least two members of a group for there to be a rational assembly. A proportion is the comparison of two rational pairs, a minimum of four members is required. That's for rational discourse, two people conducting either dialogue or debate on a set topic, by agreement and for a public, which could be the people in a republic (politically) or God religiously (prayer meeting, the monastery).

Thanks , Like all things there is two sides to one coin . .(1) that seen the temporal and (2) the unseen side hid in aparbles . Two members make one law of faith (belief) .The peace of God that surpases human undesratnding. God giving us His faith that works in those yoked with him . The father unseen displaying his power in that seen the Son of man, Jesus . Two working in perfect harmony under the power of one (Christ the Father)

One side Satan, the father of lies the wisdom of this world. And two the hidden, the Holy Spirit who reveals himself as it is written, words of a labor of His love or called a work of his faith . The same "let it be " in creation it was revealed by the things seen as good.

When two or three gather under the authority of the word he is there working in them

The law of faith .Let there be and it was God the faithful creator alone good

Parables are prophecy not just stories with meaning .but literal history with a spiritual understanding .

It was a parable in the beginning . God who is light and not that he can only create it temporal announced his presence. Let there be God as LIght and the law of his word good. (Golden good the measure of His faith)


The purpose of parable they teach us how to walk by faith (understand God not see) rightly dividing the the mysteries.Without a parable the signified understanding of God . . God spoke not.

 

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Interesting. In terms of the modern entertainment that comes up around the water cooler, are you able to be enlightening as to whether the Bible treats the subject of citizen/alien status regarding Jesus Christ, the angels, and the fallen angels? I need to form a parallel in church/state ratio.

The first Biblical use of the word "alien" is in the context of human-human interaction, it's not a divine commend that alienation in Egypt be remembered, nor is it a direct family (parent, pedagogy, foreshadowing of the fifth commandment) case, Jethro is only an employer and an "in law" family relative. For all we know by means of literal textual critique, Moses and his wife aren't even legally married.
Now this Noun business of naming is ONLY THE LAW. It's STRICTLY HUMAN ORIGIANITED.

Where do you stand on this totally human lawgiving in religious terms? Has God been alienated from His creation by the fall? Whose fault is that? Is it Lucifer, Satan, a reptile, or Adam and Eve? Does this effect the doctrine of the Trinity, and would God have been more like a sole monotheistic creator without the fall and the need for the incarnation?

In your considered linguistic opinion, thinking of the way you normally use the English language, in common speech including privately with just family and friends, would the lack of a rebellion on Satan's part have affected the absolute number of persons which you tend to use when speaking from your theological education and experience on the subject of God? How, and in what way? Would it have affected your choice of pronoun, had God not condescended to have incarnated, and Adam and Even remained without sin by refusing the tree fruit, would you have called God "He", "She", or "They"?

Just as a hypothetical meditation. Remember that although there was only one God before the alienating fall, there were many angels.

Hello @theLeadmonger,

The word, 'alien,' is used only five times in Scripture, the same Hebrew word is translated, 'stranger'.

The believer in the Lord Jesus Christ, whose citizenship is in heaven (Phil. 3:20 NIV), is spoken of as a 'stranger', a 'sojourner' in this world, a pilgrim (1 Peter 2:11).
The Jews of the diaspora were spoken of as 'strangers', because they were living in a land not their own (1 Peter 1:1)
Gentiles are spoken of as 'strangers' by the Jew, because not a Jew.. (3 Jn 1:5)
Angels are spiritual beings, created by God, who dwell in heavenly places.
Some angels 'fell' in the days of Noah, having left their 'first estate', they are now imprisoned, awaiting judgment (1 Peter 3:19-20).

* I cannot relate to much that you say, unfortunately, so cannot respond knowledgeably.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[theLeadmonger]

Hello @theLeadmonger,

The word, 'alien,' is used only five times in Scripture, the same Hebrew word is translated, 'stranger'.

The believer in the Lord Jesus Christ, whose citizenship is in heaven (Phil. 3:20 NIV), is spoken of as a 'stranger', a 'sojourner' in this world, a pilgrim (1 Peter 2:11).
The Jews of the diaspora were spoken of as 'strangers', because they were living in a land not their own (1 Peter 1:1)
Gentiles are spoken of as 'strangers' by the Jew, because not a Jew.. (3 Jn 1:5)
Angels are spiritual beings, created by God, who dwell in heavenly places.
Some angels 'fell' in the days of Noah, having left their 'first estate', they are now imprisoned, awaiting judgment (1 Peter 3:19-20).

* I cannot relate to much that you say, unfortunately, so cannot respond knowledgeably.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

An alien is a stranger, which sounds like a good translation. In modern English of course, a stranger is just anyone you don't know. It could be someone you didn't know personally although you knew the name, or someone you'd never even heard of. But the original generation of the word in Ancient Hebrew goes farther than that. Joseph was sold as a slave by his eleven brothers, but they were not strangers to him, they were his brothers. Jethro says in Exodus that the Israelites were strangers in Egypt, implying that all of the Israelites were strangers in Egypt. Of the brothers, one was the ringleader who had the idea of selling Joseph as a slave, and one is reported to have had reservations about doing so, which he voiced. Benjimin was seen as having been too young either to understand what was happening or to be old enough to have helped, and he repented in the silver cup affair later when Abraham sent his other sons after Joseph to buy grain from Pharoh.

What I'm talking about is the propriety of the law. All of the Israelites were strangers in Egypt, but they were not strangers to each other. I'm sure you've heard of the Patriarchs of Iseral, there are still 12 tribal elders in the Israeli State Council, and they are known as the Dreidel Council, they are hereditary Israelite leaders of individual tribes, and resemble the Senate or the Aristocracy as a state agency. Egypt is totally separate from Israel and vice versa. The Abrahamic Covenant only applies to Israelites, and this Biblical fact is the predicate of logical differentiation between war and peace (as in the War Powers Act). As a crime, selling Joseph was committed by eleven individuals Israelis, and only a citizen of Israel can appeal to a court in Israel. Egypt is considered guilty as we know it today, but they are the enslaving power against whom WAR was made, while for Israel JUDGMENT is handled as an Israeli internal affair.

What I'm talking about is procedural precedent. Tel Aviv has a court system (sorry, oh most Heavenly minded one). Further to that, like the United States in the old republic, Israel has its literacy requirements for either voting in its elections or testifying in its courts. I'm not just attacking you and trying to tell you that you don't have any rights in Israel, actually, you do. Besides the twelve tribes constructed by Moses in Deuteronomy, there are Josephites. The Josephites are not a tribe, because Joseph was made a eunuch in Potiphar's Household, which means that he has no seed or offspring. The Josephites are Jews who want to join or associate with Israel for religious reasons, and there are specific laws in the written Torah which apply to Josephite status.

In practice, you really have to speak Hebrew to bring a case into the courts of Israel, but if you really know your Torah, Talmud, and practice historical scholarship, and you are insistent that you are a Jew, in knowledge, fact and practice, you can appeal to the Dreidel Council as a Josephite. Israel is an educated country, maybe you'll be appointed a translator by the court, as happens in a United States courtroom.

 

[Garee]

I would offer. God is not a man as us and neither is there any daysman fleshly infalible interpret set between God and man . He does not come from the nations of dying mankind .

God is not served by dying human hands in any way shape or form

An alien is a stranger .

It is used in a warning to us to be careful when entertaining messengers or apostles sent by God with a message from God.

Hebrews 13:2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

God could have a word message or they could be sent with prophecy .The work of apostles ambassadors sent as strangers by Christ..

If any man from any nation has not the born again spirit of Christ . . they are not of the flesh, to include Jewish flesh .God is not a Jew .He is not a man . and we are warned of those who say we do need a man to teach.

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his

A born again jew is not one outwardly according to the flesh just as all Israel is not the bride of Christ. There were some Jews in Revelation that tried to pass as born again believers according to their DNA .

They were not of us so they went out from Christians . . the new name the father named the bride. a more befitting name to represent the bride of all nations . Literally meaning residents of the city of Christ prepared for his bride the church

Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee

Walk by faith the unseen eternal things of God not by sight after dying mankind that has no power .

 

[theLeadmonger]

I'm not always clear as to whether people are speaking personally as individual Jews about their spiritual understanding of "Israel" in some discussions or whether they think they're actually in Israel (or whether they are on the Mediterranean coast, given the Internet and use of avatars online as anonymity). Most of American Jurisprudence is closely related to Israeli statutes, upon which later Christians founded much of the constitution and civil code, with over a thousand years, European heritage, and further world events as well as medieval church histories intervening, of course.

Israelite law is part of International diplomatic relations, and an individual citizen of Tel Aviv is considered a single individual in the same way that a United States citizen is considered one, in front of his own civil courts. Israel has different census laws than the Unites States, and a different history, including a different intervening history since the fall of the Kingdom at the crucifixion. Unlike England, which restored its monarchy after the Cromwell interregnum, Israel is a constitutional republic with elected seats in parliament.

The constitution of Israel is Judaic as at the outset, and Hebrew religious laws still apply, but the administrative state itself also keeps population records, and in terms of government format, Israel resembles France, Germany (at times throughout history under foreign occupation) or even Russia as a former monarchy than it does either England, who restored the crown, or the United States, which is simultaneously an independent republic, a branch of the English speaking world heritage, and in treaty diplomacy with it's politically otherwise unaffiliated relatives in the Europe.