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The Book of Life

B-A-C

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The Book of Life... you hear about it from time to time. It's only really mentioned in the Bible in 9 verses, but it would seem they are important verses.
For whatever reason, it seems the Book of Life is not a popular subject with many Calvinists.

Php 4:3; Indeed, true companion, I ask you also to help these women who have shared my struggle in the cause of the gospel, together with Clement also and the rest of my fellow workers, whose names are in the book of life.
Rev 13:8; All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain.
Rev 17:8; "The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss and go to destruction. And those who dwell on the earth, whose name has not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, will wonder when they see the beast, that he was and is not and will come.
Rev 20:12; And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.
Rev 20:15; And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Rev 21:27; and nothing unclean, and no one who practices abomination and lying, shall ever come into it, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life.
Rev 22:19; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.

Seven of these verses are in Revelation, and perhaps the two most telling ones are Rev 21:27; and Rev 20:15;

Your name MUST be in the Book of Life to enter heaven or the New Jerusalem. No if's, and's, but's, or maybe's... it is an absolute requirement.

It has been discussed on here a few times about infants ( babies ) names in the Book of Life. Do all Babies go to heaven? Are all Babies names in the Book of Life?
Does that mean their names get erased at a later time? ( perhaps the age of accountability? )

There are five verses here that say some people can and will be erased ( blotted out ) of the Book of Life. Jesus Himself is speaking in one of these verses.

Psa 69:28; May they be blotted out of the book of life And may they not be recorded with the righteous.
Rev 3:5; 'He who overcomes will thus be clothed in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.
Exod 32:32; "But now, if You will, forgive their sin—and if not, please blot me out from Your book which You have written!"
Exod 32:33; The LORD said to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.
Deut 29:20; "The LORD shall never be willing to forgive him, but rather the anger of the LORD and His jealousy will burn against that man, and every curse which is written in this book will rest on him, and the LORD will blot out his name from under heaven.

Another controversial passage, that is similar is...

Luke 10:20; "Nevertheless do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rejoice that your names are recorded in heaven."
In Luke 10, Jesus appoints 70 ( or 72 depending which translation you have ) more disciples along with the original 12. It says in the verse above they could cast out demons and their names were recorded in heaven.
But... after a period of time, most of these left Him.


John 6:65; And He was saying, "For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father."
John 6:66; As a result of this many of His disciples withdrew and were not walking with Him anymore.
John 6:67; So Jesus said to the twelve, "You do not want to go away also, do you?"

It may have been all but the original 12, because in verse 67 above, He asks them if they want to go away also.
Now some say, they weren't really believers at all, and they point to this verse.


1Jn 2:19; They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us.

Now, perhaps they weren't "really of us", but yet Jesus said their names were recorded in heaven. If their names got blotted out, then they aren't "of us" now.
 
I've heard it said that the Old Testament's book of life is different than the lamb's
book of life.
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The excerpt below from Rev 3:5 is deliberately misquoted; watch for the revision.

"I will never blot out his name from my book of life."

No; it doesn't say "my book".

Here it is misquoted again.

"I will never blot out his name from the lamb's book of life"

No, it doesn't say "the lamb's book"
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'A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him:
thousand thousands ministered unto him,
and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him:
the judgment was set,
and the books were opened.'
(Dan 7:10)

'And I saw a great white throne, and Him that sat on it,
from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away;
and there was found no place for them.
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God;
and the books were opened:
and another book was opened, which is the book of life:
and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books,
according to their works.

And the sea gave up the dead which were in it;
and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them:
and they were judged every man according to their works.'
(Rev 20:11-13)

* There is more than one book opened in the day of judgment, but the book of life is specifically identified in the passage from Revelation 20. Judgement was made on the basis of what was written in the books, which has recorded the works of those who appear before the throne of God for judgment. The presence of the book of life, among the other books, brings hope for all who stand in God's presence on that day. Could that be why it's presence is emphasised, by Him that is not only Just, but the Justifier of him which believeth in Jesus?

* I am so glad that,' There is therefore no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh but after the spirit.' (Romans 8:10) . Which is the position of all who have believed God concerning the gospel of His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, and are trusting Him to perform all that He has promised, in Christ Jesus their Lord and Saviour. For they, by God's reckoning, have died with Christ, been buried, quickened and raised with Christ, and are now walking in newness of life before the Father, in the spirit, in Christ. That is their standing before God, by His grace, in the spirit, regardless of their state in the flesh, because of what Christ Jesus their risen Lord has done for them.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

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'And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow,
help those women which laboured with me in the gospel,
with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers,
whose names are in the book of life.'
(Php. 4:3)

'He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment;
and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life,
but I will confess his name before My Father, and before His angels.'
(Rev. 3:5 )

'And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him,
whose names are not written in the book of life
of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.'
(Rev.13:8)

'The beast that thou sawest was, and is not;
and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition:
and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder,
whose names were not written in the book of life
from the foundation of the world,
when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.'
(Rev. 17:8)

'And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God;
and the books were opened:
and another book was opened, which is the book of life:
and the dead were judged
out of those things which were written in the books,
according to their works.'
(Rev. 20:12)

'And whosoever was not found written in the book of life
was cast into the lake of fire.'
(Rev. 20:15 )

'And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy,
God shall take away his part out of the book of life,
and out of the holy city,
and from the things which are written in this book.'
(Rev. 22:19)

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'That the blood of all the prophets,
which was shed from the foundation of the world,
may be required of this generation;
From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias,
which perished between the altar and the temple:
verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation.'
(Luk 11:50-51)

Hello @B-A-C.

The Lambs book of life is the Lamb's book of Martyrs.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
The Lambs book of life is the Lamb's book of Martyrs.

Do you have scripture to support that?
In this passage it's talking about the New Jerusalem where Jesus/God will dwell after the millennial reign.

Rev 21:23; And the city has no need of the sun or of the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God has illumined it, and its lamp is the Lamb.
Rev 21:24; The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it.
Rev 21:25; In the daytime (for there will be no night there) its gates will never be closed;
Rev 21:26; and they will bring the glory and the honor of the nations into it;
Rev 21:27; and nothing unclean, and no one who practices abomination and lying, shall ever come into it, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life.

So if you're name isn't in the "Lamb's" book of Life you can't go there. According to you, you have to be martyred to get into that book, in that case, most Christians are in trouble.

Rev 13:7; It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them, and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him.
Rev 13:8; All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written since the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain.

So the question is... is "The Book of Life" and "The Lamb's Book of Life" two different books? Perhaps, maybe... I don't really know.. but it doesn't really matter that much
because the Bible says you can be erased or blotted out of either book.

Rev 20:15; And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

Also, maybe your name only has to be in one Book of Life or the other ( I'm not saying there is really two ) but if it's not in the book of Life.... into the fire you go.
So I see no point in debating whether their are two books of Life or not, no one knows for sure, and in the end it doesn't make any difference.
 
I've yet to encounter a book specifically labeled the book of death. It could be that
folks "written in the Earth" per Jer 17:13 speaks of the existence of such a book-- I
don't know; maybe
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I've yet to encounter a book specifically labeled the book of death. It could be that
folks "written in the Earth" per Jer 17:13 speaks of the existence of such a book-- I
don't know; maybe
_
There is a book of the dead, but I think that was written by ancient egyptians on how to deal with the afterlife, how to prepare for it.
 
The Book of Life... you hear about it from time to time. It's only really mentioned in the Bible in 9 verses, but it would seem they are important verses.
For whatever reason, it seems the Book of Life is not a popular subject with many Calvinists.

Php 4:3; Indeed, true companion, I ask you also to help these women who have shared my struggle in the cause of the gospel, together with Clement also and the rest of my fellow workers, whose names are in the book of life.
Rev 13:8; All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain.
Rev 17:8; "The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss and go to destruction. And those who dwell on the earth, whose name has not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, will wonder when they see the beast, that he was and is not and will come.
Rev 20:12; And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.
Rev 20:15; And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Rev 21:27; and nothing unclean, and no one who practices abomination and lying, shall ever come into it, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life.
Rev 22:19; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.

Seven of these verses are in Revelation, and perhaps the two most telling ones are Rev 21:27; and Rev 20:15;

Your name MUST be in the Book of Life to enter heaven or the New Jerusalem. No if's, and's, but's, or maybe's... it is an absolute requirement.

It has been discussed on here a few times about infants ( babies ) names in the Book of Life. Do all Babies go to heaven? Are all Babies names in the Book of Life?
Does that mean their names get erased at a later time? ( perhaps the age of accountability? )

There are five verses here that say some people can and will be erased ( blotted out ) of the Book of Life. Jesus Himself is speaking in one of these verses.

Psa 69:28; May they be blotted out of the book of life And may they not be recorded with the righteous.
Rev 3:5; 'He who overcomes will thus be clothed in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.
Exod 32:32; "But now, if You will, forgive their sin—and if not, please blot me out from Your book which You have written!"
Exod 32:33; The LORD said to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.
Deut 29:20; "The LORD shall never be willing to forgive him, but rather the anger of the LORD and His jealousy will burn against that man, and every curse which is written in this book will rest on him, and the LORD will blot out his name from under heaven.

Another controversial passage, that is similar is...

Luke 10:20; "Nevertheless do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rejoice that your names are recorded in heaven."
In Luke 10, Jesus appoints 70 ( or 72 depending which translation you have ) more disciples along with the original 12. It says in the verse above they could cast out demons and their names were recorded in heaven.
But... after a period of time, most of these left Him.


John 6:65; And He was saying, "For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father."
John 6:66; As a result of this many of His disciples withdrew and were not walking with Him anymore.
John 6:67; So Jesus said to the twelve, "You do not want to go away also, do you?"

It may have been all but the original 12, because in verse 67 above, He asks them if they want to go away also.
Now some say, they weren't really believers at all, and they point to this verse.


1Jn 2:19; They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us.

Now, perhaps they weren't "really of us", but yet Jesus said their names were recorded in heaven. If their names got blotted out, then they aren't "of us" now.

Good post.

Confusion also comes in from non-OSAS believers who believe that Jesus writes your name in the book of life when you become a Christian. The fact that one's name can be erased in the OT confirms that it is not true. There is therefore no argument to be had on whether or not babies names are written therein. It is a fact that they are.

Becoming a Christian is evidence of being an 'overcomer' as Rev 3:5 says. One who will not get their names erased. Rev 3:5; 'He who overcomes will thus be clothed in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.

I think scripture is crystal clear that once your name is blotted out, it 'is' blotted out. No coming back from that. So it would appear that for that to happen, you would need to be completely sold out to a love of what is evil. Not simply 'in sin' as you suggest would happen with the age of accountability.
 
Calvinism teaches that 1. some babies are in the book of life and some babies are not, 2. He foreknew whose names He would remove from the book of life.

Such a perversion of scripture and gross misrepresentation of God.
 
I've heard it said that everybody-- regardless of race or gender --starts out listed in
a nondescript book of life, whereas only certain ones start out listed in not only that
book but also in the lamb's book of life per Rev 13:8 & Rev 21:27.
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Do you have scripture to support that?
In this passage it's talking about the New Jerusalem where Jesus/God will dwell after the millennial reign.

Rev 21:23; And the city has no need of the sun or of the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God has illumined it, and its lamp is the Lamb.
Rev 21:24; The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it.
Rev 21:25; In the daytime (for there will be no night there) its gates will never be closed;
Rev 21:26; and they will bring the glory and the honor of the nations into it;
Rev 21:27; and nothing unclean, and no one who practices abomination and lying,
shall ever come into it, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life.​
So if you're name isn't in the "Lamb's" book of Life you can't go there.
According to you, you have to be martyred to get into that book, in that case, most Christians are in trouble.
'And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him,​
whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb
slain from the foundation of the world.'​
(Rev 13:8)​
' The beast that thou sawest was, and is not;​
and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit,​
and go into perdition:​
and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder,​
whose names were not written in the book of life
from the foundation of the world,​
when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.'​
(Rev 17:8)​

Hello @B-A-C,

In both the verses above, 'the book of life' is linked with, 'the foundation of the world': and Luke 11:50-51 associates this period with Martyrdom:-

'That the blood of all the prophets,​
which was shed from the foundation of the world,​
may be required of this generation;​
From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias,​
which perished between the altar and the temple:​
verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation.'​
(Luke 11:50-51)​

* Paul speaks of, 'the book of life' once only, in the epistle associated with the prize which required endurance unto the end: the epistle to the Philippians:-

'And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow,​
help those women which laboured with me in the gospel,​
with Clement also, and with other my fellow-labourers,​
whose names are in the book of life.'​
(Php 4:3)​

*Epaphroditus had risked his life in service, and with 'Clement' and other fellowlabourers (not simply fellowbelievers) had their names in the book of life'.

* The Lord could promise 'the overcomer' that, He would NOT blot his name out of the book of life, which must mean that those who failed to 'overcome' did run that risk:-

'He that overcometh,​
the same shall be clothed in white raiment;​
and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life,​
but I will confess his name before My Father, and before His angels.'​
(Rev 3:5)​

* Overcoming in the days of the Beast, meant martyrdom, as the Lord also 'overcame' in His time of trial, and is set down with His Father in His throne (Revelation 3:21), :-

'To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with Me in My throne,​
even as I also overcame, and am set down with My Father in His throne.'​
(Rev.3:21)​
'And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb,​
and by the word of their testimony;​
and they loved not their lives unto the death.'
(Rev.12:11)​

All praise to God Most High
May His Name be Praised.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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In both the verses above, 'the book of life' is linked with, 'the foundation of the world': and Luke 11:50-51 associates this period with Martyrdom:-

Sorry, not seeing it. A similar phrase between two passages does not link them together.
People are still being martyred even today, so the "time" argument doesn't really work.

* Paul speaks of, 'the book of life' once only, in the epistle associated with the prize which required endurance unto the end: the epistle to the Philippians:-

What does the number of times Paul says something have to do with anything? The phrase "Book of Life" ( with without "the Lamb's" ) appears eight times.
So even if you discount "The Lamb's" Book of Life... you still have six other verses. Four by John and 1 by David, as well as the one you mentioned by Paul.

Psa 69:28; May they be blotted out of the book of life And may they not be recorded with the righteous.
Php 4:3; Indeed, true companion, I ask you also to help these women who have shared my struggle in the cause of the gospel, together with Clement also and the rest of my fellow workers, whose names are in the book of life.
Rev 3:5; 'He who overcomes will thus be clothed in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.
Rev 17:8; "The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss and go to destruction. And those who dwell on the earth, whose name has not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, will wonder when they see the beast, that he was and is not and will come.
Rev 20:12; And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.
Rev 20:15; And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

Rev 13:8; All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain.
Rev 21:27; and nothing unclean, and no one who practices abomination and lying, shall ever come into it, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life.

==================================================

Now if you aren't in the Book of Life...
Rev 20:15; And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

If you aren't in the "Lamb's" Book of Life.
and nothing unclean, and no one who practices abomination and lying, shall ever come into it, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life.

So in one case, you get thrown into the Lake of Fire.
In the other case, you can't enter into heaven or the New Jerusalem ( what is the alternative?)

I see no advantage in being in one book over the other personally. I've read your entire post 3 times, and I see nothing that proves you have to be martyred, and even less
that says there are two books.
 
Sorry, not seeing it. A similar phrase between two passages does not link them together.
People are still being martyred even today, so the "time" argument doesn't really work.



What does the number of times Paul says something have to do with anything? The phrase "Book of Life" ( with without "the Lamb's" ) appears eight times.
So even if you discount "The Lamb's" Book of Life... you still have six other verses. Four by John and 1 by David, as well as the one you mentioned by Paul.

Psa 69:28; May they be blotted out of the book of life And may they not be recorded with the righteous.
Php 4:3; Indeed, true companion, I ask you also to help these women who have shared my struggle in the cause of the gospel, together with Clement also and the rest of my fellow workers, whose names are in the book of life.
Rev 3:5; 'He who overcomes will thus be clothed in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.
Rev 17:8; "The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss and go to destruction. And those who dwell on the earth, whose name has not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, will wonder when they see the beast, that he was and is not and will come.
Rev 20:12; And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.
Rev 20:15; And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

Rev 13:8; All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain.
Rev 21:27; and nothing unclean, and no one who practices abomination and lying, shall ever come into it, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life.

==================================================

Now if you aren't in the Book of Life...
Rev 20:15; And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

If you aren't in the "Lamb's" Book of Life.
and nothing unclean, and no one who practices abomination and lying, shall ever come into it, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life.

So in one case, you get thrown into the Lake of Fire.
In the other case, you can't enter into heaven or the New Jerusalem ( what is the alternative?)

I see no advantage in being in one book over the other personally. I've read your entire post 3 times, and I see nothing that proves you have to be martyred, and even less
that says there are two books.
Hello @B-A-C,

Thank you for responding. :)

Replying to you was a blessing to me.

Within the love of Christ our Saviour.
Now risen and glorified
and sat at God's right hand.
Chris
 
Matthew 13:24-30

The Parable of the Wheat and the Tares​

24 Another parable He put forth to them, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; 25 but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way. 26 But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared. 27 So the servants of the owner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’ 28 He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The servants said to him, ‘Do you want us then to go and gather them up?’ 29 But he said, ‘No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.” ’ ”
 
Gen 24:7; "The LORD, the God of heaven, who took me from my father's house and from the land of my birth, and who spoke to me and who swore to me, saying, 'To your descendants I will give this land,' He will send His angel before you, and you will take a wife for my son from there.

There are places in the Bible, where God is called "the God of heaven". There are other places, where He is just called "God", so does that mean there are two different Gods?
As far as everything I read goes, sometimes it's called the Lamb's Book of Life, and sometimes it's called the Book of Life, but that doesn't necessarily mean they are two separate books.
 
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The Parable of the Wheat and the Tares

Not real sure what this has to do with the Book of Life.

Matt 13:40; "So just as the tares are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the end of the age.
Matt 13:41; "The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will
gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness,
Matt 13:42; and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Not everyone in the kingdom of God gets to stay in the kingdom.
 
Not real sure what this has to do with the Book of Life.

Matt 13:40; "So just as the tares are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the end of the age.
Matt 13:41; "The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will
gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness,
Matt 13:42; and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


Not everyone in the kingdom of God gets to stay in the kingdom.
Its relevant because Jesus said that He plants the wheat (elect); (those in the book of life)and Satan placed his own tares amongst the wheat.
 
Gen 24:7; "The LORD, the God of heaven, who took me from my father's house and from the land of my birth, and who spoke to me and who swore to me, saying, 'To your descendants I will give this land,' He will send His angel before you, and you will take a wife for my son from there.

There are places in the Bible, where God is called "the God of heaven". There are other places, where He is just called "God", so does that mean there are two different Gods?
As far as everything I read goes, sometimes it's called the Lamb's Book of Life, and sometimes it's called the Book of Life, but that doesn't necessarily mean they are two separate books.
I remember as a child my uncle did not call the Bible a bible he called it the book of life n the road map to life..


Twistie :broken_heart:
 
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