The lake which burns with fire and brimstone

[Notforgotten]

When molten magma comes to the earth’s surface, it turns into lava, which dries. Molten magma beneath the earth’s surface continues to burn. This is the only lake of fire on earth.

NKJV Revelation 20:13-14. The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

NKJV Revelation 21:8. But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

Brimstone is an old-fashioned name for sulfur, a chemical that can be found in volcanoes.

 

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When molten magma comes to the earth’s surface, it turns into lava, which dries. Molten magma beneath the earth’s surface continues to burn. This is the only lake of fire on earth.

NKJV Revelation 20:13-14. The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

NKJV Revelation 21:8. But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

Brimstone is an old-fashioned name for sulfur, a chemical that can be found in volcanoes.

'And the sea gave up the dead which were in it;
and death and hell (i.e., the grave)
delivered up the dead which were in them:
and they were judged every man according to their works.
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire.
This is the second death.
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life
was cast into the lake of fire.'
(Rev 20:13-15)

'But the fearful,
and unbelieving,
and the abominable,
and murderers,
and whoremongers,
and sorcerers,
and idolaters,
and all liars,
shall have their part in the lake
which burneth with fire and brimstone:
which is the second death.'
(Rev 21:8)

Hello @Notforgotten,

Watching the volcanic irruption in Iceland on the news recently my mind also went to these passages. Yet when the Lord Jesus Christ referred to hell or Gehenna, (the place of the dead) in the judgment at the end of the age, then I believe that refers to a valley below Jerusalem, where the rubbish from Jerusalem was burned, and it was spoken of as an eternal fire, because it never went out, being in constant use for the destruction of waste, and of those who were denied burial as a punishment for severe wrong-doing.

The second death is a final destruction of 'the dead', (not the living), and those whose names are not written in the book of life, along with death itself, and the grave, which is the place of the dead.

'The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.'
(1Cor. 15:26)

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Notforgotten]

'And the sea gave up the dead which were in it;
and death and hell (i.e., the grave)
delivered up the dead which were in them:
and they were judged every man according to their works.
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire.
This is the second death.
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life
was cast into the lake of fire.'
(Rev 20:13-15)

'But the fearful,
and unbelieving,
and the abominable,
and murderers,
and whoremongers,
and sorcerers,
and idolaters,
and all liars,
shall have their part in the lake
which burneth with fire and brimstone:
which is the second death.'
(Rev 21:8)

Hello @Notforgotten,

Watching the volcanic irruption in Iceland on the news recently my mind also went to these passages. Yet when the Lord Jesus Christ referred to hell or Gehenna, (the place of the dead) in the judgment at the end of the age, then I believe that refers to a valley below Jerusalem, where the rubbish from Jerusalem was burned, and it was spoken of as an eternal fire, because it never went out, being in constant use for the destruction of waste, and of those who were denied burial as a punishment for severe wrong-doing.

The second death is a final destruction of 'the dead', (not the living), and those whose names are not written in the book of life, along with death itself, and the grave, which is the place of the dead.

'The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.'
(1Cor. 15:26)

In Christ Jesus
Chris

Great post, except the rubbish from Jerusalem no longer burns, yet the molten magma beneath the earth's crust does.

 

[Beetow]

Molten magma beneath the earth’s surface continues to burn. This is the only lake
of fire on earth.

The lake of fire spoken of in Rev 20:11:15 isn't on Earth; in point of fact according
to Rev 20:11 the Earth is nowhere to be seen in that future event; and even the
space that the Earth currently occupies will no longer exist.

I think we have to concede that the fire spoken of isn't a normal form of
incineration, rather, it's supernatural-- and being as the fire is eternal, it doesn't
require fuel because it's self-sustaining just as eternal life is self-sustaining.

Sodom was destroyed by eternal fire. (Jude 1:7) But if you were to visit that valley
today you wouldn't find any because leaving it in place would've been a perpetual
safety hazard.
_

 

[Brad Huber]

The lake of fire spoken of in Rev 20:11:15 isn't on Earth; in point of fact according
to Rev 20:11 the Earth is nowhere to be seen in that future event; and even the
space that the Earth currently occupies will no longer exist.

I think we have to concede that the fire spoken of isn't a normal form of
incineration, rather, it's supernatural-- and being as the fire is eternal, it doesn't
require fuel because it's self-sustaining just as eternal life is self-sustaining.

Sodom was destroyed by eternal fire. (Jude 1:7) But if you were to visit that valley
today you wouldn't find any because leaving it in place would've been a perpetual
safety hazard.
_

Our sun, and any sun, is a lake of fire, so that would suffice, but dont know if thats the case or something totally different.

 

[B-A-C]

Our sun, and any sun, is a lake of fire, so that would suffice, but dont know if thats the case or something totally different.

Possibly, but there are no known traces of sulphur ( brimstone ) in the Sun, ( or any star for that matter ).

1934ApJ....79..492M Page 492

The observable lines of ionized sulphur have such high excitation potentials that they could not be expected to appear in the sun. The coincidence of a few solar and laboratory wave-lengths is probably due to chance.

Rev 14:10; he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
Rev 19:20; And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone.
Rev 20:10; And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Rev 21:8; "But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

 

[Brad Huber]

Possibly, but there are no known traces of sulphur ( brimstone ) in the Sun, ( or any star for that matter ).

1934ApJ....79..492M Page 492

Rev 14:10; he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
Rev 19:20; And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone.
Rev 20:10; And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Rev 21:8; "But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

Although you are probably correct, there is a dead star that would not be as excitable as most suns. Black holes are filled with dead stars, and a massive amount of space debris (possibly sulfur), as to whether they still burn or not, or have lakes of fire, is unknown, as we dont know the internal conditions of the anomaly. It is assumed that things are soooo tightly packed together, that there would only be neutrons/proton/electrons, with all the space between them taken out, but this is only a theory, God is the creator and He can create things we think impossible (because we dont know all that He does). And perhaps the intense gravity would somehow also provide the prison for the spirits, for it traps even energy, with the only exception being cones of light and perhaps something else that are known to occasionally shoot out from poles. Perhaps one of those cones of light was part of Jesus who went to hell and had the keys to hell that allowed Him to ascend out of it. I used to be very very "up" on stars and things of space back in my late teen years. As my short term memory gets worse with age, somehow my long term memory seems to get better. I had some amazing theories that I had to leave behind, because they would open me up to exploitations by evil people and God didnt want me to suffer that or to help the evil people.

 

[Notforgotten]

The lake of fire spoken of in Rev 20:11:15 isn't on Earth; in point of fact according
to Rev 20:11 the Earth is nowhere to be seen in that future event; and even the
space that the Earth currently occupies will no longer exist.

I think we have to concede that the fire spoken of isn't a normal form of
incineration, rather, it's supernatural-- and being as the fire is eternal, it doesn't
require fuel because it's self-sustaining just as eternal life is self-sustaining.

Sodom was destroyed by eternal fire. (Jude 1:7) But if you were to visit that valley
today you wouldn't find any because leaving it in place would've been a perpetual
safety hazard.
_

The earth and sky can be made to appear to flee in the spirit world. And, if you read further, Rev. 20:12 where it says, "And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened". The abode of the dead is right here on earth. The fire is both physical and spiritual. Wherever the physical exists, the spiritual occupies the same space. This can be seen in the following scripture:

NKJV Romans 8:16. The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,

Although, the Spirit sees our bodies, He bears witness to our spirits which occupies the same space.

The fire that destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah was of fire and brimstone. The same can be found with a volcanic eruption.

 

[Notforgotten]

It's likely that God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah with volcanic eruptions.

 

[Samson2020]

What exists outside of God? Nothing. For if it did then God would have something greater than He.
Is our God a consuming fire? Yes. Deu 4:24
Is that fire, that God is, more or less than the lake of fire?

 

[Beetow]

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The abode of the dead is right here on earth.

Hades is situated in the bowels of the Earth for now, but it's a supernatural
location. As such: the netherworld, and its occupants, don't require a physical
warehouse for storage. For example the dead depicted at Rev 20:11-15 appear to
be standing on nothing as the Earth is no longer available in that scene for a
solid surface to walk on.

NOTE: Levitation is uncommon in the Bible, but not all that strange; for example
Acts 1:9 and 1Thess 4:16-17)
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[Notforgotten]

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Hades is situated in the bowels of the Earth for now, but it's a supernatural
location. As such: the netherworld, and its occupants, don't require a physical
warehouse for storage. For example the dead depicted at Rev 20:11-15 appear to
be standing on nothing as the Earth is no longer available in that scene for a
solid surface to walk on.

NOTE: Levitation is uncommon in the Bible, but not all that strange; for example
Acts 1:9 and 1Thess 4:16-17)
_

Hades is not just in the bowels of the Earth. It's all around us. It's called the shadow of the valley of death because we can see the shadows of death people along our walls... people see their ghosts. Agreed, the occupants of the netherworld do not need a physical warehouse for storage. And the molten magma could be just in spiritual form and thus be anywhere, but more than likely, it's not. Spirits can levitate because at any given time, are lighter than air.

 

[Beetow]

Spirits can levitate because at any given time, are lighter than air.

The dead depicted at Rev 20:11-15 are not disembodied; they are physical due to
the process of restoring their remains to life, i.e. resurrected.

● Dan 12:2 . . And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,
some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

● John 5:28-29 . . A time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear the
voice of the Son of Man and come out-- those who have done good will rise to live,
and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned.

The two physical resurrections are somewhat juxtaposed by Rev 20:4-6 & Rev 20:13

* I'd imagine the lake of fire will be a terrible disappointment for the beautiful
people. It's bad enough they lose their looks the first time around: losing their looks
all over again will be devastating.
_

 

[Beetow]

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Many of the Christians I encounter online typically discuss retribution in an
academic manner and sometimes forget we're talking about real people.

● Rev 21:3-4 . . Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them.
They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. He will
wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying
or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.

Much of the the tears, the mourning, the crying, and the pain will most certainly be
related to the great white throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15, which will likely
be a public spectacle.

In other words: people will have to watch as friends, family, associates, and loved
ones are literally pale with terror, lips trembling, mouths too dry to speak,
shrieking, sobbing, screaming, weeping, yelping, and bellowing like wounded dogs
as their eyes dart about in sheer white-knuckled panic, desperately looking for
someone, anyone, to help them as powerful celestial beings drag them off to death
akin to a foundry worker falling into a kettle of molten iron.

The Bible says the lost will be given a fair trial (Jude 1:14-15) which suggests some
of us might be subpoenaed as witnesses for the prosecution where will have to
testify, not for but instead against, people we know and love; including our own
kin, i.e. moms, dads, brothers, sisters, grandparents, and quite possibly spouses too.
_

 

[Beetow]

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● Jonah 1:17 . . The Lord provided a great fish to swallow Jonah, and Jonah was
inside the fish three days and three nights.

FAQ: Was Jonah alive in the fish?

REPLY: Yes. (Jonah 2:1)

FAQ: The whole time?

REPLY: No; at some point in his nautical adventure Jonah went to a place called
sheol (Jonah 2:2) which he located at the roots of the mountains. (Jonah 2:6)

Well; the roots of the mountains aren't located in the tummies of fish, nor are they
located under the sea, rather: they're located underground deep in the Earth. So,
the only way that Jonah could possibly be at the roots of the mountains while
simultaneously in the belly of a fish was for the man and his body to part company
and go their separate ways. This is not impossible because according to Matt 10:28
people's souls don't always expire along with their body.

Also, the language of Jonah's prayer strongly suggests that his corpse was restored
to life, i.e. resurrected.

● Jonah 2:6 . . I descended to the roots of the mountains. The earth with its bars
was around me forever, But Thou hast brought up my life from the pit, O Lord my
God.

The Hebrew word for "pit" basically pertains to holes in the ground, but sometimes
speaks of putrefaction too, e.g. Ps 16:8-10 & Acts 2:25-31. In other words; had
Jonah's body been left inside that fish's tummy for much longer, it would've been
digested to oblivion.

● Matt 12:40 . . For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge
fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Now when you think about it; Jesus' remains weren't laid to rest in the heart of the
Earth; and in point of fact they weren't even buried in the Earth's soil. They were
laid to rest up on the surface of the earth in a rock-hewn tomb. So the only way
that Jesus could be up on the surface of the Earth and down its interior
simultaneously was for he and his body to part company and go their separate
ways the same as Jonah's did.

Also: it was essential to get Jesus back up on his feet again before a fourth day to
prevent his body from being lost to decay. (John 11:39, Ps 16:8-10, Acts 2:25-31)
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[Beetow]

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There are folks at large-- e.g. Jehovah's Witnesses, et al --who insist human life is
entirely organic and does not survive the termination of one's material body. If it
turns out those folks are resting upon a false premise, their disappointment will be
very grievous.

● Eccl 12:7 . . For then the dust will return to the earth, and the spirit will return to
God who gave it.

The million dollar question is: What does God do with people's spirit once He gets it
back?

And another: Is it possible peoples' spirits are transferable to a different form of
existence than the one they have now: maybe even an existence that can
withstand incineration?

Those are very, very disturbing questions; especially for Jehovah's Witnesses
because they believe the angel Michael's life force was transferred to Mary's womb
so he could exist as a human being without losing the essence of his identity; and
then when his human existence passed away on the cross, Michael's life force was
transferred back so he could pick up where he left off as an angel. Were I a JW, the
Society's thoughts about life force would make me very nervous.
_

 

[rstrats]

Another question might be is does He know before He creates a person whether or not He will eventually be casting the person into the lake of fire?

 

[Notforgotten]

Another question might be is does He know before He creates a person whether or not He will eventually be casting the person into the lake of fire?

God created Adam and Eve in the beginning. And, through procreation, created the rest of mankind. He probably does know based on the lives they lived.

 

[rstrats]

God created Adam and Eve in the beginning. And, through procreation, created the rest of mankind.

Not entirely sure what you mean. Are you saying that He has input into the creation of each individual, or that He doesn't?

He probably does know based on the lives they lived.

But that is after the fact. I was asking about before they are created.

 

[Notforgotten]

Another theory about the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah is that the fire and brimstone falling out of the sky could have been caused by a cosmic airburst(fireballs). Brimstone was found at the locations of Sodom and Gomorrah.