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The Message of The Cross

Sue J Love

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Wednesday, May 13, 2015, 6:45 a.m. – The Lord Jesus put in mind the song “Full Release.” Speak, Lord, your words to my heart. I read 1 Corinthians 1:18-31 (NASB).

The Power of God (vv. 18-25)

For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written,

“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
And the cleverness of the clever I will set aside.”
Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. For indeed Jews ask for signs and Greeks search for wisdom; but we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness, but to those who are the called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

What is this word (message) of the cross? It is not merely that Jesus Christ, God the Son (God incarnate), was crucified on a cross, was resurrected the third day, appeared to many people on the earth, and then was taken back up to heaven where he is now seated at the right hand of the Father, and that one day he will come again and take us to be with him. It is not just the fact that, when he died, our sins died with him, were buried with him, and when he was resurrected from the dead that he conquered death, hell, Satan and sin on our behalf. It is also not simply the fact that through Jesus Christ’s shed blood on the cross for our sins that our sins were atoned (compensated, paid) for, and that through faith in Jesus Christ we can escape the punishment of hell, because Jesus paid the price for our sins, or the fact that those who have faith in Jesus Christ now have the hope of eternal life with God both now, forevermore, and in heaven when we die. Several verses come to mind here:

“He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness…” (1 Pet. 2:24). “I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me” (Gal. 2:20). “And he died for all, that those who live might no longer live for themselves but for him who for their sake died and was raised” (2 Co. 5:15). “I am sending you to open their eyes, so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in me” (Ac. 26:17-18). “For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit” (Ro. 8:3-4).

“But that is not the way you learned Christ! — assuming that you have heard about him and were taught in him, as the truth is in Jesus, to put off your old self, which belongs to your former manner of life and is corrupt through deceitful desires, and to be renewed in the spirit of your minds, and to put on the new self, created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness” (Eph. 4:20-24). “For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people, training us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives in the present age, waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, who gave himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people for his own possession who are zealous for good works” (Tit. 2:11-14). “If we say we have fellowship with him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin” (1 Jn. 1:6-7).

The reason Jesus Christ died for our sins on the cross was so that we, by God’s grace and through faith in him, could die to sin and live for righteousness; might no longer live for ourselves, but for him who gave his life for us; may turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God; might walk NOT according to the flesh but according to the Spirit; could put off our old self, be renewed in the spirit in our minds, and put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness; may renounce ungodliness and worldly passions and live self-controlled, upright and godly lives; and that we might no longer walk in darkness, but that we might walk in the light (in God’s/Christ’s righteousness and holiness). This is the message of the cross, for this is the purpose for which Jesus Christ died for our sins, not just to save us from hell and give us the hope of heaven when we die, but to utterly transform our lives while we still live on the face of this earth, so that we no longer walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. This IS TRUE GRACE!

To those who are perishing (dying in their sins and are doomed to hell), this is all foolishness. Why? Because our sin nature does not naturally yield itself to the cross. Our sin nature wants to do what we want to do, and it does not want to surrender its will to the will of another. In our flesh, we want to control our own lives and live to please ourselves. We, by nature, don’t like the idea that we must give up what we want and do what God wants. We are taught that we can do it in our own strength, wisdom, and power, and that we have control over our own destiny. We are taught self-effort, and self-gratification, and we are bombarded with messages that say if we want it we can have it, or if we desire it we deserve to get it, and that life should be about pleasing us and entertaining ourselves. So, the idea of dying to self and living to please God is foreign to our sin nature.

Yet, for those of us who are being saved, which in the original (Greek) language means present and continuous (not just past), it is the power of God to transform human lives away from living for sin and self to walking in the Spirit in God’s righteousness and holiness, for this is why Jesus died, and this is the message of the cross, our hope, our joy, our freedom, and God’s true grace to us in teaching us to say “NO” to sin, and the power to live, to love and to serve our Lord in full surrender and in obedience to his will and to his purpose for our lives. I know what it is to live in bondage to sin, and I know what it is like to walk in freedom and in surrender to my Lord, and in submission to his will for my life, not in absolute perfection, but by his grace, through faith, and I can attest to the fact that if grace does not deliver us out of slavery to sin, then it is no grace at all, for we are still in our sin.

The Despised (vv. 26-31)

For consider your calling, brethren, that there were not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble; but God has chosen the foolish things of the world to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to shame the things which are strong, and the base things of the world and the despised God has chosen, the things that are not, so that He may nullify the things that are, so that no man may boast before God. But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption, so that, just as it is written, “Let him who boasts, boast in the Lord.”

God did not choose us because of our goodness and because of our own self-righteousness, for our righteousness is as filthy rags to God, and there is none good but God, for all have sinned and have come up short of attaining God’s approval in our own flesh. God also did not choose us because we have all kinds of book smarts, or on account of all of our worldly wisdom and knowledge and college (and seminary) degrees. He did not choose us because of our natural talents and abilities, our personalities, our good looks or charm and persuasiveness with people or our ability to easily make friends and influence people. God does not choose like humans choose, based upon what is seen outwardly, but God looks at the heart. He chooses us based upon his grace to us in saving us from our sins, and based upon our heart response to him in accepting what he did for us on the cross by faith.

God chose those of us who the world deems as foolish because we believe in the power of the cross to save people from sin and to deliver them out of bondage to sin and to set them free to walk daily in Christ’s righteousness and holiness – all in the power of the Spirit within us. To the world, this is foolishness to give up our lives in surrender to Christ and to the cross and to follow Jesus Christ in obedience. Some of them will call us crazy, hyper-religious, extremists, disoriented, and not in touch with reality, and will try to encourage us away from such dedication to our Lord, which they consider abnormal in our society, and will try to persuade us to live a more “normal” life, which involves immersing (engrossing) ourselves in today’s world culture (philosophies, values, beliefs), which can be found on TV, in movies, in secular music, and in many forms of entertainment and worldly knowledge.

Yet, all glory goes to God, for even the ability to believe in Jesus and to surrender to him comes from him and is empowered by his Spirit. It is by his doing that we are in Christ Jesus, and that we have been set free from slavery to sin, and not of anything we have done in our own flesh to try to earn or to deserve salvation. So, when we are able to walk no longer according to the flesh but according to the Spirit, it is only by God’s grace and in his power. When God uses us in the lives of others to bring forth the message of salvation so that many will believe and will be saved, it is only by God’s grace and in his power that we are able to share the message of salvation, and that God is able to use us as his willing instruments to see lives changed by the power of God. So, all glory goes to God. It is only by God’s grace and mercy to us that any of us can be saved from our sins and can walk in his righteousness and holiness. I am so thankful that HE set me free! All praise to God!

Full Release / An Original Work / April 15, 2012

Walking daily with my Savior
brings me joy.
Loving Father; precious Jesus;
He’s my Savior and my Lord.
Gently leads me; follow Him.
I’ve invited Him within.
Now abiding in His presence,
oh, what peace.
From my self-life
He has brought me,
By His mercy, full release.

Hope and comfort,
peace and safety Jesus brings
When I daily bow before Him;
Obey freely; do His will.
Follow Him where’er He leads.
Listen to Him; His words heed.
Now obeying his words fully,
oh, what love
That He gives me
through salvation,
By His Spirit, from above.

Loving Father; precious Jesus,
He’s my friend.
With my Savior, by His Spirit,
I will endure to the end.
Share the gospel, tell what’s true.
Witness daily; His will do.
Tell the world of how their Savior
bled and died.
On a cruel cross He suffered
So that we might be alive.

Full Release | Original Works

 
Wednesday, May 13, 2015, 6:45 a.m. – The Lord Jesus put in mind the song “Full Release.” Speak, Lord, your words to my heart. I read 1 Corinthians 1:18-31 (NASB).

The Power of God (vv. 18-25)

For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written,

“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
And the cleverness of the clever I will set aside.”
Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. For indeed Jews ask for signs and Greeks search for wisdom; but we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness, but to those who are the called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

What is this word (message) of the cross? It is not merely that Jesus Christ, God the Son (God incarnate), was crucified on a cross, was resurrected the third day, appeared to many people on the earth, and then was taken back up to heaven where he is now seated at the right hand of the Father, and that one day he will come again and take us to be with him. It is not just the fact that, when he died, our sins died with him, were buried with him, and when he was resurrected from the dead that he conquered death, hell, Satan and sin on our behalf. It is also not simply the fact that through Jesus Christ’s shed blood on the cross for our sins that our sins were atoned (compensated, paid) for, and that through faith in Jesus Christ we can escape the punishment of hell, because Jesus paid the price for our sins, or the fact that those who have faith in Jesus Christ now have the hope of eternal life with God both now, forevermore, and in heaven when we die. Several verses come to mind here:

“He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness…” (1 Pet. 2:24). “I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me” (Gal. 2:20). “And he died for all, that those who live might no longer live for themselves but for him who for their sake died and was raised” (2 Co. 5:15). “I am sending you to open their eyes, so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in me” (Ac. 26:17-18). “For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit” (Ro. 8:3-4).

“But that is not the way you learned Christ! — assuming that you have heard about him and were taught in him, as the truth is in Jesus, to put off your old self, which belongs to your former manner of life and is corrupt through deceitful desires, and to be renewed in the spirit of your minds, and to put on the new self, created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness” (Eph. 4:20-24). “For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people, training us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives in the present age, waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, who gave himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people for his own possession who are zealous for good works” (Tit. 2:11-14). “If we say we have fellowship with him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin” (1 Jn. 1:6-7).

The reason Jesus Christ died for our sins on the cross was so that we, by God’s grace and through faith in him, could die to sin and live for righteousness; might no longer live for ourselves, but for him who gave his life for us; may turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God; might walk NOT according to the flesh but according to the Spirit; could put off our old self, be renewed in the spirit in our minds, and put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness; may renounce ungodliness and worldly passions and live self-controlled, upright and godly lives; and that we might no longer walk in darkness, but that we might walk in the light (in God’s/Christ’s righteousness and holiness). This is the message of the cross, for this is the purpose for which Jesus Christ died for our sins, not just to save us from hell and give us the hope of heaven when we die, but to utterly transform our lives while we still live on the face of this earth, so that we no longer walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. This IS TRUE GRACE!

To those who are perishing (dying in their sins and are doomed to hell), this is all foolishness. Why? Because our sin nature does not naturally yield itself to the cross. Our sin nature wants to do what we want to do, and it does not want to surrender its will to the will of another. In our flesh, we want to control our own lives and live to please ourselves. We, by nature, don’t like the idea that we must give up what we want and do what God wants. We are taught that we can do it in our own strength, wisdom, and power, and that we have control over our own destiny. We are taught self-effort, and self-gratification, and we are bombarded with messages that say if we want it we can have it, or if we desire it we deserve to get it, and that life should be about pleasing us and entertaining ourselves. So, the idea of dying to self and living to please God is foreign to our sin nature.

Yet, for those of us who are being saved, which in the original (Greek) language means present and continuous (not just past), it is the power of God to transform human lives away from living for sin and self to walking in the Spirit in God’s righteousness and holiness, for this is why Jesus died, and this is the message of the cross, our hope, our joy, our freedom, and God’s true grace to us in teaching us to say “NO” to sin, and the power to live, to love and to serve our Lord in full surrender and in obedience to his will and to his purpose for our lives. I know what it is to live in bondage to sin, and I know what it is like to walk in freedom and in surrender to my Lord, and in submission to his will for my life, not in absolute perfection, but by his grace, through faith, and I can attest to the fact that if grace does not deliver us out of slavery to sin, then it is no grace at all, for we are still in our sin.

The Despised (vv. 26-31)

For consider your calling, brethren, that there were not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble; but God has chosen the foolish things of the world to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to shame the things which are strong, and the base things of the world and the despised God has chosen, the things that are not, so that He may nullify the things that are, so that no man may boast before God. But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption, so that, just as it is written, “Let him who boasts, boast in the Lord.”

God did not choose us because of our goodness and because of our own self-righteousness, for our righteousness is as filthy rags to God, and there is none good but God, for all have sinned and have come up short of attaining God’s approval in our own flesh. God also did not choose us because we have all kinds of book smarts, or on account of all of our worldly wisdom and knowledge and college (and seminary) degrees. He did not choose us because of our natural talents and abilities, our personalities, our good looks or charm and persuasiveness with people or our ability to easily make friends and influence people. God does not choose like humans choose, based upon what is seen outwardly, but God looks at the heart. He chooses us based upon his grace to us in saving us from our sins, and based upon our heart response to him in accepting what he did for us on the cross by faith.

God chose those of us who the world deems as foolish because we believe in the power of the cross to save people from sin and to deliver them out of bondage to sin and to set them free to walk daily in Christ’s righteousness and holiness – all in the power of the Spirit within us. To the world, this is foolishness to give up our lives in surrender to Christ and to the cross and to follow Jesus Christ in obedience. Some of them will call us crazy, hyper-religious, extremists, disoriented, and not in touch with reality, and will try to encourage us away from such dedication to our Lord, which they consider abnormal in our society, and will try to persuade us to live a more “normal” life, which involves immersing (engrossing) ourselves in today’s world culture (philosophies, values, beliefs), which can be found on TV, in movies, in secular music, and in many forms of entertainment and worldly knowledge.

Yet, all glory goes to God, for even the ability to believe in Jesus and to surrender to him comes from him and is empowered by his Spirit. It is by his doing that we are in Christ Jesus, and that we have been set free from slavery to sin, and not of anything we have done in our own flesh to try to earn or to deserve salvation. So, when we are able to walk no longer according to the flesh but according to the Spirit, it is only by God’s grace and in his power. When God uses us in the lives of others to bring forth the message of salvation so that many will believe and will be saved, it is only by God’s grace and in his power that we are able to share the message of salvation, and that God is able to use us as his willing instruments to see lives changed by the power of God. So, all glory goes to God. It is only by God’s grace and mercy to us that any of us can be saved from our sins and can walk in his righteousness and holiness. I am so thankful that HE set me free! All praise to God!

Full Release / An Original Work / April 15, 2012

Walking daily with my Savior
brings me joy.
Loving Father; precious Jesus;
He’s my Savior and my Lord.
Gently leads me; follow Him.
I’ve invited Him within.
Now abiding in His presence,
oh, what peace.
From my self-life
He has brought me,
By His mercy, full release.

Hope and comfort,
peace and safety Jesus brings
When I daily bow before Him;
Obey freely; do His will.
Follow Him where’er He leads.
Listen to Him; His words heed.
Now obeying his words fully,
oh, what love
That He gives me
through salvation,
By His Spirit, from above.

Loving Father; precious Jesus,
He’s my friend.
With my Savior, by His Spirit,
I will endure to the end.
Share the gospel, tell what’s true.
Witness daily; His will do.
Tell the world of how their Savior
bled and died.
On a cruel cross He suffered
So that we might be alive.

Full Release | Original Works

The true meaning of the cross is that it is empty!
 
The true meaning of the cross is that it is empty!
That is only half the message of the cross, but it is the first and foremost half, for if Jesus had not died and if he had not been resurrected from the dead, we could not be saved. Yet, he didn't die just to die, and he was not resurrected from the dead just for the sake of being resurrected. He died so we could be crucified with him; so we could die to sin. And he was resurrected so that we can be resurrected to new lives in Jesus Christ, free from the power of sin and death, and free to walk in his righteousness and holiness. And, that is the message of the cross, not just that he died and that he was resurrected (that the cross is empty) but that, by God's grace, through faith in Jesus Christ, we can be set free from the power of sin over our lives and be free to walk in the Spirit and no longer according to the flesh. That is hope! That is grace! That is the ultimate in love. And, that is why he came.
 
Yes, he came down from heaven to earth to get inside us!
“He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness…”

RJ, can you supply scriptures which state that Jesus Christ came down from heaven to earth to get inside us, i.e. that this is why he came? Nothing is coming to mind. His purpose in dying for our sins was so we might die to sin and live to righteousness; so we would no longer live for ourselves, but for him who gave himself up for us; that we would say "No" to ungodliness and worldly passions, and would live self-controlled, upright and godly lives; that we would no longer walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. Now, he did send his Holy Spirit to indwell us who believe in him, and certainly that was part of his plan, for we are only able to die to sin and live for righteousness through the power and strength of the Spirit living within us, and because of Jesus blood shed on the cross for our sins, and because he was resurrected, and because we have been born of the Spirit of God and we now have the Holy Spirit living within us empowering us to live godly lives.
 
Now, he did send his Holy Spirit to indwell us who believe in him, and certainly that was part of his plan
There is nothing that you say is false, but the simple truth is that, He came not to condemn the world but to save it. How else does he save but by getting inside us? The greatest of mysteries is God in us; what else marks you as a true Christian and saved?
 
There is nothing that you say is false, but the simple truth is that, He came not to condemn the world but to save it. How else does he save but by getting inside us? The greatest of mysteries is God in us; what else marks you as a true Christian and saved?

RJ, my concern with your statements is that they are misplaced, not that they are lacking in truth. I believe you may be oversimplifying the gospel to the point to where it does not represent the true gospel of salvation at all. The true meaning of the cross is not simply that it is empty. Why Jesus came was not simply to get inside of us. He does not save us, also, merely by getting inside of us. The fact that he is inside us is also not all of what marks us as believers in Jesus and as "saved."

The reason Jesus Christ died for our sins on the cross was so that we, by God’s grace and through faith in him, could die to sin and live for righteousness; might no longer live for ourselves, but for him who gave his life for us; may turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God; might walk NOT according to the flesh but according to the Spirit; could put off our old self, be renewed in the spirit in our minds, and put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness; may renounce ungodliness and worldly passions and live self-controlled, upright and godly lives; and that we might no longer walk in darkness, but that we might walk in the light (in God’s/Christ’s righteousness and holiness).

This is the message of the cross, for this is the purpose for which Jesus Christ died for our sins, not just to save us from hell and give us the hope of heaven when we die, but to utterly transform our lives while we still live on the face of this earth, so that we no longer walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. This IS TRUE GRACE! And, this is the evidence (what marks us) that we have been born of the Spirit of God and that we have been turned from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God, not that we walk in absolute perfection from this moment on, but that the power of the Spirit is displayed in our lives in us no longer walking according to the flesh but according to the Spirit, i.e. that we have been transformed of the Spirit of God in our lifestyles. Check out these verses:

John 13:35: “By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”

John 15:8: “My Father is glorified by this, that you bear much fruit, and so prove to be My disciples.”

Ro. 12:2: “And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect.”

Phil. 2:14-16: “Do all things without grumbling or disputing; so that you will prove yourselves to be blameless and innocent, children of God above reproach in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom you appear as lights in the world, holding fast the word of life, so that in the day of Christ I will have reason to glory because I did not run in vain nor toil in vain.”

Jas. 1:22: “But prove yourselves doers of the word, and not merely hearers who delude themselves.”
 
RJ, my concern with your statements is that they are misplaced, not that they are lacking in truth. I believe you may be oversimplifying the gospel to the point to where it does not represent the true gospel of salvation at all. The true meaning of the cross is not simply that it is empty. Why Jesus came was not simply to get inside of us. He does not save us, also, merely by getting inside of us. The fact that he is inside us is also not all of what marks us as believers in Jesus and as "saved."
You read way too much in my comment, but you certainly have a right to your opinion! The Lord is King of Kings and my savior, God Bless!
 
The reason Jesus Christ died for our sins on the cross was so that we, by God’s grace and through faith in him, could die to sin and live for righteousness;
Hmmm, same thing as God in you!
1 Corinthians 3:16 Don't you realize that all of you together are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God lives in you?
God in you is primary and all else falls into place according to his purpose.
 
Hmmm, same thing as God in you!
1 Corinthians 3:16 Don't you realize that all of you together are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God lives in you?
God in you is primary and all else falls into place according to his purpose.

True, but not intuitive. In other words, although God in us - which can only happen by what Jesus did for us on the cross, and through our faith in him, which means we die with him to sin and we are resurrected to new lives in Christ, "created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness" (See Eph. 4:17-24) - means that we have been crucified with Christ, and that we have been born of the Spirit, we must be careful to make sure that is the message that we convey. If our response to the message of the cross, which was what the OP was about, is to say "The true meaning of the cross is that it is empty," what does that convey? To someone well-versed in scripture and in the doctrine of salvation, it may be understood in its truest sense, but to others who may not have that background, they could come away with the message that the meaning of the cross is merely that Jesus is no longer on the cross, and that is why it is empty, or they may understand that it is empty because he rose from the dead, but even that does not give the true meaning of the cross, for Jesus did not die and was not resurrected and that is the end of the story.

The true meaning of the cross is that he died and was resurrected so that we could die to sin, be born of the Spirit, and walk in newness of life in Christ Jesus - in his righteousness and holiness, in the power and working of the Spirit who is now within us by faith. Hallelujah! That is the true meaning of the cross, and that is the message we need to convey. To say he came to earth to get inside us can also be misleading if not understood in its proper context. His goal was not just to get inside us. What does that mean? To someone without much knowledge of scripture, they may have no clue what that means. The Bible teaches he came so that we could die to sin and live to righteousness, which is done in the power of the Spirit who now lives within us. He also does not save us just by getting inside us. Someone could say "I invited him into my heart," and maybe they are saved and maybe they aren't. I think we can leave a false (misleading) impression when we give incomplete messages that tell only half the story. Jesus saves us through him putting our sin to death on the cross, through his resurrection in conquering sin, death, Satan and hell, and through giving us new birth through us, by faith, willingly submitting ourselves to the cross of Christ in dying with him to sin and in being resurrected to new lives in Christ Jesus our Lord (See Ro. 6-8). We have to cooperate with his work of grace in our lives through participating with him in death to sin, being crucified with him. That is the meaning of faith.

So, all I am saying is we need to be careful that we don't dilute the message of the cross by lessening its meaning by not giving the full message, but by giving a message which can be ambiguous to those lacking in knowledge of scripture. We need to not just say he is no longer on the cross, or that he came to live within us, if we don't explain what that means, because it leaves it up to the listener to interpret, and the interpretation may end up way off in left field somewhere. So, just asking that you remain clear in what you are saying so that it does not open itself to self-interpretation due to lack of knowledge and understanding. If we want to see people come to faith in Jesus Christ, and to truly be born of the Spirit of God, we need to tell them what that means so that they do not get the wrong idea of what salvation is all about and think they are saved when they are not.
 
RJ, can you supply scriptures which state that Jesus Christ came down from heaven to earth to get inside us, i.e. that this is why he came? Nothing is coming to mind. His purpose in dying for our sins was so we might die to sin and live to righteousness;
It symbolizes his ultimate purpose. He died for everyone. Only those who have him inside them are saved and live spiritually, Born Again.
 
It symbolizes his ultimate purpose. He died for everyone. Only those who have him inside them are saved and live spiritually, Born Again.
I agree that he died for everyone. I also agree that only those who have the Spirit of God living within them are saved, are born again and have eternal life with God. Yet, I don't believe his ultimate purpose, per se, was that he get inside us, but it was to save us from our sins, which means to deliver us out of slavery to sin and to free us to walk in fellowship with him. Him now living within us gives us all we need to have life with God everlasting, and to be able to walk no longer after the flesh but after the Spirit, and him inside us gives us that fellowship with him, and allows him to work his will in and through our lives, but I firmly believe scripture teaches that his purpose in coming to the earth was to deliver us from sin and to free us to walk in his righteousness so that we could be restored to the Father and have fellowship with God - something that was destroyed in the Garden of Eden when Adam sinned against God. I think it is really important that we get this, because of people think the goal was just to have Christ living within them, but they don't see that his purpose was to deliver us out of slavery to sin and to free us to walk in his righteousness, then they may not ever really experience the new birth and may not ever be saved and so they will continue to walk in sin thinking they have the promise of heaven. I want to make sure I don't give anyone a false hope. That's all.
 
Yet, I don't believe his ultimate purpose, per se, was that he get inside us, but it was to save us from our sins
Sister, the indwelling of God is us is secondary to none, how do you think you have become saved?...only through the indwelling of the spirit!
Him now living within us gives us all we need to have life with God everlasting
Having him in is now and the only way there is no condemnation for the sin you have now...Romans 8:1
 
Sister, the indwelling of God is us is secondary to none, how do you think you have become saved?...only through the indwelling of the spirit!

Having him in is now and the only way there is no condemnation for the sin you have now...Romans 8:1
RJ, I think you are missing my point. I am in no way minimizing the role of the Holy Spirit in our salvation. We must be born of the Spirit of God to have eternal life. And, he must live within us. I am not bringing that into question at all. Sorry for the confusion. I think we are just coming at the same thing from different perspectives.
 
RJ, I think you are missing my point. I am in no way minimizing the role of the Holy Spirit in our salvation. We must be born of the Spirit of God to have eternal life. And, he must live within us. I am not bringing that into question at all. Sorry for the confusion. I think we are just coming at the same thing from different perspectives.
I agree and I am sure we can also agree that it is all about Christ and none of us. He is in us and we in him all the way to eternity!
 
I agree and I am sure we can also agree that it is all about Christ and none of us. He is in us and we in him all the way to eternity!
RJ, I have shared in the OP what I believe the Bible teaches with regard to the message of the cross, so I will let that suffice, and will not venture to repeat myself further. Thank you for sharing your beliefs with me and for your willingness to enter into discussion with me on this topic.
 
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