The Promised Land

[B-A-C]

Gen 12:5 Abram took Sarai his wife and Lot his nephew, and all their possessions which they had accumulated, and the persons which they had acquired in Haran, and they set out for the land of Canaan; thus they came to the land of Canaan.
Gen 12:6 Abram passed through the land as far as the site of Shechem, to the oak of Moreh. Now the Canaanite was then in the land.
Gen 12:7 The LORD appeared to Abram and said, "To your descendants I will give this land." So he built an altar there to the LORD who had appeared to him.

The land of Canaan, was what we would call modern day Israel.

Gen 13:14 The LORD said to Abram, after Lot had separated from him, "Now lift up your eyes and look from the place where you are, northward and southward and eastward and westward;
Gen 13:15 for all the land which you see, I will give it to you and to your descendants forever.
Gen 13:16 "I will make your descendants as the dust of the earth, so that if anyone can number the dust of the earth, then your descendants can also be numbered.
Gen 13:17 "Arise, walk about the land through its length and breadth; for I will give it to you."

Gen 15:1 After these things the word of the LORD came to Abram in a vision, saying, "Do not fear, Abram, I am a shield to you; Your reward shall be very great."
Gen 15:5 And He took him outside and said, "Now look toward the heavens, and count the stars, if you are able to count them." And He said to him, "So shall your descendants be."
Gen 15:6 Then he believed in the LORD; and He reckoned it to him as righteousness.

(see Romans 4:3) an often misquoted passage. It wasn't that Abraham simply believed in God, but he believed God would do what He said He would.
God made an unconditional covenant with Abraham about this land.

Gen 15:7 And He said to him, "I am the LORD who brought you out of Ur of the Chaldeans, to give you this land to possess it."
Gen 15:8 He said, "O Lord GOD, how may I know that I will possess it?"
Gen 15:9 So He said to him, "Bring Me a three year old heifer, and a three year old female goat, and a three year old ram, and a turtledove, and a young pigeon."
Gen 15:10 Then he brought all these to Him and cut them in two, and laid each half opposite the other; but he did not cut the birds.

Gen 15:13 God said to Abram, "Know for certain that your descendants will be strangers in a land that is not theirs, where they will be enslaved and oppressed four hundred years.

This prophecy of course happened in the time of Joseph, they were enslaved until the time of Moses 400 years later.

Gen 15:18 On that day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, "To your descendants I have given this land, From the river of Egypt as far as the great river, the river Euphrates:
Gen 15:19 the Kenite and the Kenizzite and the Kadmonite
Gen 15:20 and the Hittite and the Perizzite and the Rephaim
Gen 15:21 and the Amorite and the Canaanite and the Girgashite and the Jebusite."

This is a much larger piece of land than Canaan (Israel) this goes all the from the Nile (the river of Egypt) to the Euphrates. This would include modern day
Turkey, Syria and Iraq. The Israelites have never owned all this land. However, the Arabs have (except for Canaan). The Arabs believe they are the descendants
of Ishmael. (the other son of Abraham).

Now, we move from Abraham to Isaac (the son of Abraham, of course). God said the following to Isaac.

Gen 28:3 "May God Almighty bless you and make you fruitful and multiply you, that you may become a company of peoples.
Gen 28:4 "May He also give you the blessing of Abraham, to you and to your descendants with you, that you may possess the land of your sojournings, which God gave to Abraham."

The Bible doesn't specifically say what land was given to Ishmael, but it does specifically say what land was given to Isaac.

 

[B-A-C]

Exod 6:2 God spoke further to Moses and said to him, "I am the LORD;
Exod 6:3 and I appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as God Almighty, but by My name, LORD, I did not make Myself known to them.
Exod 6:4 "I also established My covenant with them, to give them the land of Canaan, the land in which they sojourned.
Exod 6:5 "Furthermore I have heard the groaning of the sons of Israel, because the Egyptians are holding them in bondage, and I have remembered My covenant.
Exod 6:6 "Say, therefore, to the sons of Israel, 'I am the LORD, and I will bring you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians, and I will deliver you from their bondage. I will also redeem you with an outstretched arm and with great judgments.
Exod 6:7 'Then I will take you for My people, and I will be your God; and you shall know that I am the LORD your God, who brought you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians.

Where were the borders of Israel established?

Num 34:2 "Command the sons of Israel and say to them, 'When you enter the land of Canaan, this is the land that shall fall to you as an inheritance, even the land of Canaan according to its borders.
Num 34:3 'Your southern sector shall extend from the wilderness of Zin along the side of Edom, and your southern border shall extend from the end of the Salt Sea eastward.
Num 34:4 'Then your border shall turn direction from the south to the ascent of Akrabbim and continue to Zin, and its termination shall be to the south of Kadesh-barnea; and it shall reach Hazaraddar and continue to Azmon.
Num 34:5 'The border shall turn direction from Azmon to the brook of Egypt, and its termination shall be at the sea.
Num 34:6 'As for the western border, you shall have the Great Sea, that is, its coastline; this shall be your west border.
Num 34:7 'And this shall be your north border: you shall draw your border line from the Great Sea to Mount Hor.
Num 34:8 'You shall draw a line from Mount Hor to the Lebo-hamath, and the termination of the border shall be at Zedad;
Num 34:9 and the border shall proceed to Ziphron, and its termination shall be at Hazar-enan. This shall be your north border.
Num 34:10 'For your eastern border you shall also draw a line from Hazar-enan to Shepham,
Num 34:11 and the border shall go down from Shepham to Riblah on the east side of Ain; and the border shall go down and reach to the slope on the east side of the Sea of Chinnereth.
Num 34:12 'And the border shall go down to the Jordan and its termination shall be at the Salt Sea. This shall be your land according to its borders all around.'"
Num 34:13 So Moses commanded the sons of Israel, saying, "This is the land that you are to apportion by lot among you as a possession, which the LORD has commanded to give to the nine and a half tribes.

Of course Mount Hor, and the Dead sea are still well known land marks today.
Why 9 1/2 tribes instead of twelve. Well the Levites were the priests to all the tribes, so they never really had their own land per se.
The other 1 1/2, that's too long a subject to include here right now.

Deut 30:15 "See, I have set before you today life and prosperity, and death and adversity;
Deut 30:16 in that I command you today to love the LORD your God, to walk in His ways and to keep His commandments and His statutes and His judgments, that you may live and multiply, and that the LORD your God may bless you in the land where you are entering to possess it.
Deut 30:17 "But if your heart turns away and you will not obey, but are drawn away and worship other gods and serve them,

 

[B-A-C]

Depending on which history books you read... the history diverges at a number of points.

Some say the Romans changed the name to "Palaestina" to minimize Jewish identification with the land.
They say this happened about 130-135AD. (I refuse to use CE) Supposedly the Jews were banned from Jerusalem.
But if so, it certainly didn't stick long.

However, the vast number of Historians seem to oppose this view, mainly due to the crusades.
There were eight major crusades. From roughly 1090AD to 1270AD. The "Holy Lands" were predominantly occupied
by Jews during this time.

 

[Garee]

Canaan used in parables represents the promised everlasting land not seen the new heavenly City Christ prepared for his bride born again Christians

Genesis 17:8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed (Christ) after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, (Ambassadors of Christ sent as apostles from a foreign land, not seen with the eyes) all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

 

[B-A-C]

Some verses Zionists would say were prophecies of the 1948 war that caused Israel to exist as a nation again.

Amos 9:11 "In that day I will raise up the fallen booth of David, And wall up its breaches; I will also raise up its ruins And rebuild it as in the days of old;
Amos 9:12 That they may possess the remnant of Edom And all the nations who are called by My name," Declares the LORD who does this.
Amos 9:13 "Behold, days are coming," declares the LORD, "When the plowman will overtake the reaper And the treader of grapes him who sows seed; When the mountains will drip sweet wine And all the hills will be dissolved.
Amos 9:14 "Also I will restore the captivity of My people Israel, And they will rebuild the ruined cities and live in them; They will also plant vineyards and drink their wine, And make gardens and eat their fruit.
Amos 9:15 "I will also plant them on their land, And they will not again be rooted out from their land Which I have given them," Says the LORD your God.

Ezek 37:9 Then He said to me, "Prophesy to the breath, prophesy, son of man, and say to the breath, 'Thus says the Lord GOD, "Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe on these slain, that they come to life."'"
Ezek 37:10 So I prophesied as He commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they came to life and stood on their feet, an exceedingly great army.
Ezek 37:11 Then He said to me, "Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel; behold, they say, 'Our bones are dried up and our hope has perished. We are completely cut off.'
Ezek 37:12 "Therefore prophesy and say to them, 'Thus says the Lord GOD, "Behold, I will open your graves and cause you to come up out of your graves, My people; and I will bring you into the land of Israel.
Ezek 37:13 "Then you will know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves and caused you to come up out of your graves, My people.

Isa 66:8 "Who has heard such a thing? Who has seen such things? Can a land be born in one day? Can a nation be brought forth all at once? As soon as Zion travailed, she also brought forth her sons.
Isa 66:9 "Shall I bring to the point of birth and not give delivery?" says the LORD. "Or shall I who gives delivery shut the womb?" says your God.
Isa 66:10 "Be joyful with Jerusalem and rejoice for her, all you who love her; Be exceedingly glad with her, all you who mourn over her,

Jer 16:14 "Therefore behold, days are coming," declares the LORD, "when it will no longer be said, 'As the LORD lives, who brought up the sons of Israel out of the land of Egypt,'
Jer 16:15 but, 'As the LORD lives, who brought up the sons of Israel from the land of the north and from all the countries where He had banished them.' For I will restore them to their own land which I gave to their fathers.
Jer 16:16 "Behold, I am going to send for many fishermen," declares the LORD, "and they will fish for them; and afterwards I will send for many hunters, and they will hunt them from every mountain and every hill and from the clefts of the rocks.
Jer 16:17 "For My eyes are on all their ways; they are not hidden from My face, nor is their iniquity concealed from My eyes.
Jer 16:18 "I will first doubly repay their iniquity and their sin, because they have polluted My land; they have filled My inheritance with the carcasses of their detestable idols and with their abominations."
Jer 16:19 O LORD, my strength and my stronghold, And my refuge in the day of distress, To You the nations will come From the ends of the earth and say, "Our fathers have inherited nothing but falsehood, Futility and things of no profit."
Jer 16:20 Can man make gods for himself? Yet they are not gods!
Jer 16:21 "Therefore behold, I am going to make them know—This time I will make them know My power and My might; And they shall know that My name is the LORD."

It seems that even after the Great tribulatiion, and in fact, even after the millennial reign, There will still be some contention here.

Rev 20:7 When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison,
Rev 20:8 and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore.
Rev 20:9 And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and devoured them.
Rev 20:10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

 

[B-A-C]

(Ambassadors of Christ sent as apostles from a foreign land, not seen with the eyes

A dangerous thing to do... adding words to scripture.

Rev 22:18 I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book;

 

[Garee]

A dangerous thing to do... adding words to scripture.

Rev 22:18 I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book;

Big difference between adding new meaning to words and giving one understanding of sola scriptura.

The changing the meaning of the one word apostle "sent messenger" not highly venerated sinner that lords it over the faith of the non-venerable pew warmers.

Abel the second born to represent mankind must be born again , the first apostle martyr .

The idea of a succession of apostles or apostolic time period shows that some ignore the warning not to add new meaning to one word.
In doing so as spiritual plagiarism it can change all the loving commandment by giving the interpretation over to what some call patron saints a form of necromancy

Deuteronomy 4:2Ye shall not add unto the word(singular) which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, (singular) that ye may keep the commandments (plural) of the Lord your God which I command you

That loving commandment along with the one at the end (Revelation 22) work together to protect the integrity of the whole.

 

[Gothedral]

Promised land? All anti-Christ get nothing.

 

[B-A-C]

Big difference between adding new meaning to words and giving one understanding of sola scriptura.

A false understanding in some cases.

Canaan used in parables represents the promised everlasting land not seen the new heavenly City Christ prepared for his bride born again Christians

Canaan is never mentioned in a parable. Not everything in the Bible is a parable.
The New Jerusalem is not seen yet, because it hasn't come down out of heaven yet, and will not do so until the new heaven and new earth are created. When it does appear, the Bible makes it clear it will be a physical place, not a spiritual place.

Abel the second born to represent mankind must be born again , the first apostle martyr .

Abel is not an apostle. We've already had this discussion. Prophet yes, apostle no. No apostles until the New testament.
Abel does not represent being born again. The "second" man was Jesus.

1Cor 15:47 The first man is from the earth, earthy; the second man is from heaven.

Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.

Rom 5:19 For as through the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.

There is no salvation in Abel.

Apostle does not mean "sent messenger in any Dictionary I know of

Definition of APOSTLE

one sent on a mission: such as; one of an authoritative New Testament group sent out to preach the gospel and made up especially of Christ's 12 original disciples and Paul; the first prominent Christian missionary to a region or group… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

: one sent on a mission: such as
a
: one of an authoritative New Testament group sent out to preach the gospel and made up especially of Christ's 12 original disciples and Paul
b
: the first prominent Christian missionary to a region or group
St. Boniface, the Apostle of Germany
2
a
: a person who initiates a great moral reform or who first advocates an important belief or system
b
: an ardent supporter : adherent
apostles of high technology
3
: the highest ecclesiastical official in some church organizations

It can mean sent on a mission, which is slightly different.

The changing the meaning of the one word apostle "sent messenger" not highly venerated sinner that lords it over the faith of the non-venerable pew warmers.

I totally agree, show me which dictionary your definition came from.

 

[B-A-C]

Genesis 17:8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed (Christ) after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, (Ambassadors of Christ sent as apostles from a foreign land, not seen with the eyes) all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

Garee, with all due respect, you can't just take parts of sentences from different verses in the Bible and make a new verse out of them.
Christ is not the seed. If anything Christians would be. You say there is no apostolic succession, and then you say some were snt as apostles.
You contradict yourself in these ways.

Canaan/Israel can oviously be seen with anyone's eyes. The New Jerusalem will be seen as well.
I'm not sure there is a single part of your post that is Biblical. Your definition of apostle certianly isn't.

 

[Garee]

Canaan is never mentioned in a parable. Not everything in the Bible is a parable.
The New Jerusalem is not seen yet, because it hasn't come down out of heaven yet, and will not do so until the new heaven and new earth are created. When it does appear, the Bible makes it clear it will be a physical place, not a spiritual place.

Without parables the signified understanding. . Christ spoke not

Canaan meaning "to be humbled" or "to be subdued. Not is subdued.

The word forever is used in two ways. One to represent the temporal things under the sun compared to forever and every everlasting no end.

Like with the Moabites they could not enter forever.(No gentiles) Ruth as an Moabite entered with Boaz the everlasting eternal.

Genesis 17:8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

Genesis 37:1 And Jacob dwelt in the land wherein his father was a stranger, in the land of Canaan.

The word Canan is used that way throughout .

 

[Dave M]

Christ is not the seed

Galatians 3
16. The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say, “and to seeds,” meaning many, but “and to your seed,” meaning One, who is Christ.

Hi Ray would love your thoughts on what Paul is saying here.

 

[B-A-C]

Hi Ray would love your thoughts on what Paul is saying here.

What does Gen 12:7 say in your Bible?

Without parables the signified understanding. . Christ spoke not

John 16:25 “These things I have spoken to you in figures of speech; an hour is coming when I will no longer speak to you in figures of speech, but will tell you plainly about the Father.
John 16:29 His disciples *said, “See, now You are speaking plainly and are not using any figure of speech

 

[Dave M]

What does Gen 12:7 say in your Bible?

this particular verse has many translations he is going to give the land to (depending on the version you go by)
- offspring
- descendants
- seed

so in Galatians 3 we have Paul actually giving us what to me appears to be a clear description of the seed so we may not get confused. So using Galatians 3 it appears the promise is made to be singular. And if we are in Christ we are fellow heirs of the promise.

Galatians 3:29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.​

Gen 12-7
New International Version
The LORD appeared to Abram and said, “To your offspring I will give this land.” So he built an altar there to the LORD, who had appeared to him.

New Living Translation
Then the LORD appeared to Abram and said, “I will give this land to your descendants.” And Abram built an altar there and dedicated it to the LORD, who had appeared to him.

English Standard Version
Then the LORD appeared to Abram and said, “To your offspring I will give this land.” So he built there an altar to the LORD, who had appeared to him.

Berean Standard Bible
Then the LORD appeared to Abram and said, “I will give this land to your offspring.” So Abram built an altar there to the LORD, who had appeared to him.

King James Bible
And the LORD appeared unto Abram, and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land: and there builded he an altar unto the LORD, who appeared unto him.

New King James Version
Then the LORD appeared to Abram and said, “To your descendants I will give this land.” And there he built an altar to the LORD, who had appeared to him.

New American Standard Bible
And the LORD appeared to Abram and said, “To your descendants I will give this land.” So he built an altar there to the LORD who had appeared to him.

NASB 1995
The LORD appeared to Abram and said, “To your descendants I will give this land.” So he built an altar there to the LORD who had appeared to him.

NASB 1977
And the LORD appeared to Abram and said, “To your descendants I will give this land.” So he built an altar there to the LORD who had appeared to him.

 

[Garee]

What does Gen 12:7 say in your Bible?



John 16:25 “These things I have spoken to you in figures of speech; an hour is coming when I will no longer speak to you in figures of speech, but will tell you plainly about the Father.
John 16:29 His disciples *said, “See, now You are speaking plainly and are not using any figure of speech

That does not change the law that without parables the signified understanding Christ spoke not

Context. The key of understnding "when the time comes"

Mathew 16:3-4And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me. But these things have I told you, that when the time shall come, ye may remember that I told you of them. And these things I said not unto you at the beginning, because I was with you.

The things they did not know of until the time neither knew the Father nor the son of man Jesus. The invisible Father is made known by the temporal things seen the son.

Like love and marriage can't have one without the other.

John16:7Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, (disappear) the Comforter( invisible Father) will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. (Christ in us)

In that way the Son of man Jesus must disappear Helping us understand we serve the invisible eternal things of the Father not the flesh of dying mankind the temporal

John16:21A woman (to represent the church) when she is in travail hath sorrow, because her hour is come: but as soon as she is delivered of the child, she remembereth no more the anguish, for joy that a man is born into the world.;And ye now therefore have sorrow: but I will see you again, and your heart shall rejoice, and your joy no man taketh from you. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.;Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father.(not seen) At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:

The time did come Jesus the Son of man vanished. The parable, these things have I spoken unto you in proverbs as a shadow became sight the Son of man vanished.

 

[Brad Huber]

Depending on which history books you read... the history diverges at a number of points.

Some say the Romans changed the name to "Palaestina" to minimize Jewish identification with the land.
They say this happened about 130-135AD. (I refuse to use CE) Supposedly the Jews were banned from Jerusalem.
But if so, it certainly didn't stick long.

However, the vast number of Historians seem to oppose this view, mainly due to the crusades.
There were eight major crusades. From roughly 1090AD to 1270AD. The "Holy Lands" were predominantly occupied
by Jews during this time.

That doesnt fit the time line of the muslim conquest of that area, and the crusaders fought against muslim armies not jewish armies.

 

[emanuel88]

Here very interesting descritpion of the promise land.

 

[Garee]

Here very interesting descritpion of the promise land.

Hi Thanks .

Interesting fact brought out, the book of Numbers literally meaning "In the wilderness"

Forty years forty representing suffering. Like Jesus in Mathew 4 at the beginning of the ministry of him and the Father when the Father sent him a apostle as a scapegoat.

Forty years using mankind as living moving temple not made with human hands bricks and stones. A parable of gospel going out unto all the nations of the world. Believers as Ambassadors for Christ sent from a foreign land the new heavenly eternal Jerusalem

Temples made with stone. . the abomination of desolation.

The Poetic Wilderness Love

 

[Dave M]

Joshua 21:43
Thus the LORD gave to Israel all the land that he swore to give to their fathers. And they took possession of it, and they settled there.
Kings 8-56
“Blessed be the LORD who has given rest to his people Israel, according to all that he promised. Not one word has failed of all his good promise, which he spoke by Moses his servant.

I hear a lot people say the Lord has not given Isreal all the land he promised, yet the Bible says he has. Most teach teach that Isreal has only taken partial possession and still has more to come to fulfill OT prophecy. Could it be that OT prophecy has been fulfilled??

 

[Rhema]

What does Gen 12:7 say in your Bible?

καὶ ὤφθη κύριος τῷ Αβραμ καὶ εἶπεν αὐτῷ Τῷ σπέρματί σου δώσω τὴν γῆν ταύτην. καὶ ᾠκοδόμησεν ἐκεῖ Αβραμ θυσιαστήριον κυρίῳ τῷ ὀφθέντι αὐτῷ.
σπέρματί - Dative SINGULAR in the LXX - ***** or seed

The Hebrew is also SINGULAR in number:
LINK to an Interlinear Hebrew for Gen 12:7

However LINK to Mass Nouns.

I'll let you decide whether G4690 and H2233 constitute Mass Nouns or not.

Rhema