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The "Son of Man" in Heaven.

B-A-C

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The God-Man in Heaven: Why Jesus Is Not a Spirit

One of the more quietly important questions in Christian theology is this: what exactly is Jesus right now? Is he a pure spirit, having shed the body he wore on earth? Or did the resurrection and ascension mean something more permanent?

The answer the New Testament gives is consistent and surprising in its physicality. Jesus did not leave his humanity behind when he ascended. He carried it with him — glorified, yes, but real.

Start with the resurrection itself. When Jesus appeared to his disciples after rising from the dead, he went out of his way to establish that he was not a ghost. In Luke 24:39 he said directly, "A spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have." He invited Thomas to touch his wounds (John 20:27). He ate fish in their presence (Luke 24:42-43). The risen Christ was at pains to demonstrate embodied, physical reality.

Then he ascended — bodily. The disciples watched him go (Acts 1:9). And the angels standing there told them, "This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go" (Acts 1:11). Not a transformed spirit. Not a divine presence. This same Jesus. Returning the same way.

The book of Hebrews builds an entire argument on this foundation. The earthly temple was a copy of a heavenly original (Hebrews 8:5, 9:23). The earthly high priest performed his atoning work by sprinkling blood in the holy of holies. Jesus, as our High Priest, entered the heavenly holy of holies — not with the blood of animals, but with his own blood (Hebrews 9:12, 9:24-26). That act was real, not symbolic. More real, in fact, than the earthly shadow it fulfilled.

But here is the question that presses on any "Jesus is pure spirit in heaven" position: a spirit does not have blood. Jesus himself said so. If he shed his body at the ascension, with what did he enter the heavenly holy of holies? The Hebrews argument does not work as metaphor. It is explicitly arguing that the heavenly transaction was the greater reality, not the lesser one.

This priestly role is not past tense either. Hebrews 7:24-25 says Jesus holds his priesthood permanently and ever lives to make intercession. A permanent human priesthood requires a permanently human priest. Hebrews 2:17 established that he had to be made like his brothers in every way to serve in this role. That qualification does not expire.

Paul makes the same point in 1 Timothy 2:5, written after the resurrection and ascension: "there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus." Present tense. The man. Not "the one who was a man" or "the formerly incarnate Word." The man Christ Jesus, currently mediating.

When Jesus returns, the title the text uses is Son of Man — not Son of God (Matthew 25:31, Mark 13:26). That is not a denial of his deity. It is the text's own consistent emphasis. The title reaches back to Daniel 7:13-14, where one like a son of man receives an everlasting kingdom. It is a messianic title that carries full divine authority while insisting on the human dimension of the one who holds it. John sees the same figure in Revelation 1:13 — one like a son of man, among the lampstands, in glory. Still that title. Still that person.

The incarnation was not a temporary accommodation to the mission of redemption. It was a permanent transformation in how the eternal Son exists and relates to humanity. The Word became flesh (John 1:14) — and that becoming did not reverse. The resurrection glorified the humanity. It did not dissolve it.

This matters practically. The reason Hebrews 4:15 can say we have a High Priest who was tempted in all points as we are is because that High Priest is still human. The sympathy is not historical. It is present. The intercession of Romans 8:34 and Hebrews 7:25 is being made right now by someone who knows from the inside what it is to be human — to be tired, to grieve, to be tempted, to suffer.

Jesus is not a spirit waiting to put a body back on when he returns. He is the risen, glorified, permanently incarnate Son of Man — reigning now, interceding now, and returning in the same way the disciples watched him leave.

The tomb is empty. The body is in heaven. And that is very good news.
 
Greetings B-A-C!
I truly want to thank you for this truthful post accompanied with your gift of writing, it is truly amazing. Your writings are always so swell to read. May the Lord be with you! Many blessings! :)
Your sister in Christ.
 
Beloved, now we are the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be; but we know that, when He shall appear, we shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as He is.

Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit."

Of His own will begat He us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

Then said the Messiah said unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.

All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.

I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep...

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1 Corinthians 15:20
"But now Christ is risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of those who slept."
 
1 Corinthians 15:20
"But now Christ is risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of those who slept."
And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; :rolleyes: and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.:)

And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.


Hope all's well
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