The transgenderism of Christianity

[StewardoftheMystery]

Several years ago I was in another Christian forum and I ran into a cult type following of believers who held to a strange doctrine.

They called the doctrine “hyper grace”. As I debated their beliefs I found that basically what they believed in was a sin all you want and still be saved type doctrine.

Basically they believed the grace of God was like a license to sin. But I also noticed how many of them tried to justify an ongoing sinful lifestyle.

Here is how many of them described it. They believed that when they sinned it was only their body that was sinning, but not their spirit. So in their minds they believed no matter how much they sinned in the body, their spirit remained squeaky clean.

So I gave this doctrine a name. I called it a doctrine of a disassociated identity. Because they do not identify with the sins they commit in the body.

And as I thought about this, I thought, this is kind of like a transgenderism of Christianity. They “identify” as Christians, but in reality they are truly of the Devil.

This is the same type of mentality that is in the transgender movement. They “identify” as something they are not.

This is a strong delusion that has even infiltrated Christianity.

 

[B-A-C]

To me, this is a form of idolatry. Creating your own God. Not the God of the Bible.

Yes, there is love, grace, mercy forgiveness. But there are also limits.
The Bible says it's possible to fall short of grace. ( Heb 12:15; )
It says some people use grace as a license to sin, and deny Jesus by doing this. ( Jude 1:4; )
It says if we keep on sinning willfully after we are saved, there is no sacrifice to cover those sins. ( Heb 10:26; )

They called the doctrine “hyper grace”. As I debated their beliefs I found that basically what they believed in was a sin all you want and still be saved type doctrine.

This is also Calvinism. This is a form of "once saved, always saved". They believe you can't lose your salvation, so it doesn't matter how much I sin. Some will say you shouldn't sin, but in the end it doesn't matter because I'm covered.

Jesus said unless you repent, you will die. ( Luke 13:3-5; )
Jesus said unless we are more righteous than the Pharisees, we will not enter heaven. ( Matt 5:20; )

Paul says people who practice certain lifestyles will not enter heaven whether they believe in Jesus or not.

1Cor 6:9; Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
1Cor 6:10; nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

Gal 5:19; Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality,
Gal 5:20; idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions,
Gal 5:21; envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Rom 6:1; What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase?
Rom 6:2; May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?

Rom 6:15; What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be!
Rom 6:16; Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

To me, this is a form of idolatry. Creating your own God. Not the God of the Bible.

Yes, there is love, grace, mercy forgiveness. But there are also limits.
The Bible says it's possible to fall short of grace. ( Heb 12:15; )
It says some people use grace as a license to sin, and deny Jesus by doing this. ( Jude 1:4; )
It says if we keep on sinning willfully after we are saved, there is no sacrifice to cover those sins. ( Heb 10:26; )



This is also Calvinism. This is a form of "once saved, always saved". They believe you can't lose your salvation, so it doesn't matter how much I sin. Some will say you shouldn't sin, but in the end it doesn't matter because I'm covered.

Jesus said unless you repent, you will die. ( Luke 13:3-5; )
Jesus said unless we are more righteous than the Pharisees, we will not enter heaven. ( Matt 5:20; )

Paul says people who practice certain lifestyles will not enter heaven whether they believe in Jesus or not.

1Cor 6:9; Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
1Cor 6:10; nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

Gal 5:19; Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality,
Gal 5:20; idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions,
Gal 5:21; envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Rom 6:1; What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase?
Rom 6:2; May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?

Rom 6:15; What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be!
Rom 6:16; Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?

I would say they were never saved to begin with by what they were saying. I suppose that kind of doctrine would be pleasing to sinners, but it is a twisted and distorted message that has no power to save.

They claimed there was no need to repent of sin, nor any need to stop sinning, some even claiming they sinned willfully because they were under grace and not under Gods law.

I would quote all the scriptures you posted above and more to refute their doctrine, but they had text book like responses they would all use.

They would accuse me of “legalism” “sinless perfectionism” and being “self righteous”.

But it was really bazaar when they said they did not “identify” with the sins they performed in the body. They twisted around what Paul was saying in Romans 7 as an excuse to keep sinning in the body, and yet say their spirits were spotless.

They didn’t “associate” with the sins they did in the body with what was also in their hearts and minds.

It was truly bazaar. I would say that is a doctrine of devils and of seducing spirits.

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

Galatians 6:3
For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.

 

[Curtis]

2Ti 1:5 When I call to remembrance the unfeigned faith that is in thee, which dwelt first in thy grandmother Lois, and thy mother Eunice; and I am persuaded that in thee also.

The word, "unfeigned" means "real, genuine, sincere"
If there is a real, genuine, sincere (unfeigned) faith then there is also a "feigned" faith that is "not real, fake, presumptuous"

2Co 6:6 By pureness, by knowledge, by longsuffering, by kindness, by the Holy Ghost, by love unfeigned,

If there is real love there is also a fake, not real love.

1Jn 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

Faith without works is dead....." (James 2:20 2:26)
Faith works by love.... (Gal 5:6)

Anyone who can not stop from sinning continually has what is known as feigned (not real, not genuine) faith.
Fake faith produces fake believers.

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

2Ti 1:5 When I call to remembrance the unfeigned faith that is in thee, which dwelt first in thy grandmother Lois, and thy mother Eunice; and I am persuaded that in thee also.

The word, "unfeigned" means "real, genuine, sincere"
If there is a real, genuine, sincere (unfeigned) faith then there is also a "feigned" faith that is "not real, fake, presumptuous"

2Co 6:6 By pureness, by knowledge, by longsuffering, by kindness, by the Holy Ghost, by love unfeigned,

If there is real love there is also a fake, not real love.

1Jn 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

Faith without works is dead....." (James 2:20 2:26)
Faith works by love.... (Gal 5:6)

Anyone who can not stop from sinning continually has what is known as feigned (not real, not genuine) faith.
Fake faith produces fake believers.

Good point Curtis.

In this day and age of the homosexual and transgender movement they talk about Love.

But do they truly love God by practicing sinful behavior?

Jesus said in
Mark 12:30
And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.”

So how are we told to love God?

Deuteronomy 7:9
Know therefore that the Lord thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations

John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

John 14:21
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will lovehim, and will manifest myself to him.

John 14:23
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

1 John 2:5
But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

1 John 5:2
By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

1 John 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Love does not rejoice in sin.

 

[Curtis]

Not only does fake faith produce fake believers, it also produces fake understanding of scriptures. It is by faith we understand…
Hebrews 11:3

 

[lentz]

To me, this is a form of idolatry. Creating your own God. Not the God of the Bible.

Yes, there is love, grace, mercy forgiveness. But there are also limits.
The Bible says it's possible to fall short of grace. ( Heb 12:15; )
It says some people use grace as a license to sin, and deny Jesus by doing this. ( Jude 1:4; )
It says if we keep on sinning willfully after we are saved, there is no sacrifice to cover those sins. ( Heb 10:26; )



This is also Calvinism. This is a form of "once saved, always saved". They believe you can't lose your salvation, so it doesn't matter how much I sin. Some will say you shouldn't sin, but in the end it doesn't matter because I'm covered.

Jesus said unless you repent, you will die. ( Luke 13:3-5; )
Jesus said unless we are more righteous than the Pharisees, we will not enter heaven. ( Matt 5:20; )

Paul says people who practice certain lifestyles will not enter heaven whether they believe in Jesus or not.

1Cor 6:9; Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
1Cor 6:10; nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

Gal 5:19; Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality,
Gal 5:20; idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions,
Gal 5:21; envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Rom 6:1; What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase?
Rom 6:2; May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?

Rom 6:15; What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be!
Rom 6:16; Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?

Hi brother. I enjoy your comments and ponder on them. The question i have,and saying your right all the way on this,....how many times are we allowed to sin before reaching that point you made of Heb. 6?
We all sin. And sometimes willfully.