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The Trinity in Creation in The Old Testament

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The Trinity in Creation in The Old Testament

In the very first verse of the Book of Beginnings, Genesis, we read:

“In the beginning, God Created the heavens and the earth”

The Hebrew for “God”, is “˒ĕlōhı̂m”, which is masculine, plural. Some have argued that the plural is used for “plural of majesties”, as a king or queen would say “we”. There is no Biblical evidence to support this, which is used by those who oppose the Bible’s teaching of the Holy Trinity. It is clear from this verse, that, if God is "Unipersonal", then surely we would have expected either, “˒ēl”, or “˒ĕlōah”, to have been used, which are singular. It is equally clear from other Scriptures, that the plural is used because more than One Person is meant.

In Genesis 1:26-27, we read:

“Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”. So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them”

Here we have “yehôvâh” as the Speaker, Who says, “na-‘ă-śeh” (let US make, plural), man, “bəṣaləmēnû” (in OUR Image, plural), “kiḏəmûṯēnû” (according to OUR Likeness).

In Job 35:10, it says, “But none says, ‘Where is God my Maker, who gives songs in the night”.

Here “God” is “˒ĕlōah”, masculine, singular; and “Maker”, “‘ō·śāy”, masculine, plural, literally, “God my Makers”. The singular “˒ĕlōah”, is used for the UNITY of the Godhead; and the plural MAKERS, for the PLURALITY of Persons in the Godhead. This verse is clear that God cannot be a "single Person".

Those who reject the Teaching of the Holy Trinity: One God, in Three distinct “Persons”, The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit, Who are completely equal, as Creators, have tried to explain this. We have the Palestinian Aramaic Targum, “ And the Lord said to the angels who ministered before Him, who had been created in the second day of the creation of the world, Let us make man in Our image, in Our likeness”. And, in the Jewish Study Bible, “The plural construction (Let us . . . ) most likely reflects a setting in the divine council (cf. 1 Kings 22.19-22; Isa. ch 6; Job chs 1-2): God the King announces the proposed course of action to His cabinet of subordinate deities, though He alone retains the power of decision”

The Targum says that God is speaking to His “angels”, when He uses the plural, “let US…OUR”. But, in the next verse, this same Targum reads, “And the Lord created man in His likeness: In the image of the Lord He Created him”, which contradicts what they read in verse 26, as it is clear that humans are created in the Image and Likeness of GOD, and not God, and His created angels! The Jewish Study Bible is interesting, as it says that God is speaking here to His, “divine council…to His cabinet of subordinate deities”, which shows that there is one God and there are other “gods”, which is not Monotheistic! The Jerusalem Targum is even more interesting in verse 27, “And the Word of the Lord created man in His likeness, in the likeness of the presence of the Lord He created him”. Creation of humans is by “the Word of the Lord”, which is what John 1:1-3 says!

In Isaiah 51:13, we read, “And forget Yahweh your Maker, that has stretched forth the heavens, and laid the foundations of the earth”. Here “Maker”, in the Hebrew is, “‘ō·śe·ḵā,”, which is masculine singular. However, in 54:5, we read, “For your Maker is your husband; Yahweh of hosts is His Name”. Here, “Maker” is the Hebrew, “‘ō·śa·yiḵ”, which is masculine, plural, “Makers”! And, in Ecclesiastes 12:1, where it reads, “Remember now your Creator in the days of your youth”, here also the Hebrew, “bō·wr·’e·ḵā”, is masculine, plural, literally, “your Creators”. Whereas, in Isaiah 40:28, and 43:15, we have, “bō·w·rê”, which is singular. Clearly, the use of the plural means more than One Person. It is not used in the sense of “majesties”, as if the singular does not speak of the “Majesty” of the Great God of the Bible!

Creation, in the Old Testament, is clearly the Work of The Three Persons of the Holy Trinity.

God The Father:

“Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am” (Isaiah 41:4)

“Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth” (Isaiah 42:5)

“Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God” (Isaiah 44:6)

“For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else” (Isaiah 45:18)

As we shall see, what is said of the Father, is also said of Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit.

God The Son:

Isaiah 48:1-17

The words in this verse are like those found in verse 3, “I have declared the former things from the beginning”, and verse 5, “I have even from the beginning declared it to you”. In verse 12 and 13 the Speaker says, “Listen to Me, O Jacob and Israel, My called; I am He, I am the First, I also am the Last. My hand has also laid the foundation of the earth, and My right hand spread out the heavens”. In verse 15 we read, “I, even I have spoken, yes, and I have called him”. In the very next verse, we read, “Thus says YHWH, your Redeemer, The Holy One of Israel: “I am YHWH your God, Who teaches you to profit, Who leads you by the way you should go”.

Then, in verse 16, The Speaker, Who is Yahweh, says:

“Draw near to Me, hearken to this; in the beginning I did not speak in secret, from the time it was, there was I, and now, the Lord God has sent Me, and His Spirit” (This is the order of words in the Hebrew, Greek and Latin Old Testament)

The Hebrew verb “šə·lā·ḥa·nî” is masculine, singular, 3rd person, “He has sent Me”, and not "they"

The Speaker can only be The Eternal, Creator God. Making the Speaker in chapter 48, verses 1-17, a distinct “Person/Individual”, Who is also Yahweh. He is “sent” by “'Adônây YHWH”, and therefore cannot be the same “Person/Individual”, as the Sender. We have TWO Who are equally Yahweh, BOTH Creators.

God The Holy Spirit:

Job 33:4

“The Spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty gives me life.” (ESV, Hebrew-English Old Testament)

“The spirit of God hath made me, And the breath of the Almighty given me life.” (The Holy Scriptures According to the Masoretic Text, A New Translation. The Jewish Publication Society of America. 5677-1917)

In the Hebrew we have “wə·niš·maṯ”, which is in the feminine gender, and cannot refer to "’êl (God)", which is masculine; but to "rū·aḥ (Spirit)", which is also feminine.

"And the Breath...gives me life (wə·niš·maṯ...tə·ḥay·yê·nî)", this is also in the feminine, which is The Holy Spirit, as the Life-Giver.

“made”, from the Hebrew verb, “‛âśâh”, used for the Creation of the universe, as in Genesis chapter 1, “God made (‛âśâh) the expanse” (ver.7); "And God made (‛âśâh) two great lights" (16); "And God made (‛âśâh) the beast of the earth after his kind" (25); "And God said, Let Us make (‛âśâh) man in Our Image, after Our Likeness" (26), etc.

Note in this verse from Job, that “rū·aḥ” (Spirit) is distinct from "neshâmâh" (breath), which is seen in Genesis 2:7, “And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath (neshâmâh) of life; and man became a living soul”. Job 33:4, is a clear reference to Genesis 2:7, which shows that the Holy Spirit Himself is “the LORD God”.

Job 26:13

“By His Spirit He adorned the heavens; His hand pierced the fleeing serpent” (NKJV)

"šip̄·rāh (He adorned), is in the feminine, singular, and refers to “rū·aḥ”, which makes the Holy Spirit the Creator. The Hebrew lexicon by Gesenius reads: “by his (God’s) Spirit the heavens were made brightness,” i.e. splendid, most splendid”

“By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens ; his hand hath pierced the fleeing serpent” (Dr A Benisch; Jewish School and Family Bible, Vol. IV)

And, the Latin and Syriac, made from the Hebrew, read:

“His spirit has adorned the heavens, and his birthing hand has brought forth the winding serpent” (Latin Vulgate)

“By his spirit he manages the heavens; his hand slew the fleeing serpent” (Syriac Peshetta)

Isaiah 51:13 tells us, "And you forget Yahweh your Maker, Who stretched out the heavens And laid the foundations of the earth"

While "you Maker" here is "‘ō·śe·ḵā", in the singular; in Job 35:10, it is the plural "Makers (‘ō·śāy), as is Isaiah 54:5 "‘ō·śa·yiḵ"

Here we have Old Testament evidence for The Holy Trinity in Creation. The “distinction” of the “Persons”, is clear from Isaiah 48:16, where the Sender, Who is Yahweh, Sends another, Who is also Yahweh, and the Holy Spirit.
 
John 1:1-3 . . In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and
the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being by
him, and apart from him nothing came into being that has come into being.

The Greek word translated "Word" means utterances; for example:

Gen 1:3 . .Then God said: Let there be light --and there was light.

My own voice is little more than that of a squeaky little gerbil, and when it's done
it's gone. But God's voice never goes away because it's a sentient being equal in
divinity to Himself.

I haven't a clue how a voice can exist as a sentient being; but when dealing with
intelligent design, I think we have to expect to discover some very unusual things
about the nature of the designer.

So then, if God's voice is one aspect of the trinity in creation: where's the other
two?

Well; there's God himself (Gen 1:1)

And then there's God's spirit (Gen 1:2)

So it would appear that the image and likeness of God per Gen 1:26 is a bit more
complex than is generally understood.
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John 1:1-3 . . In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and
the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being by
him, and apart from him nothing came into being that has come into being.

The Greek word translated "Word" means utterances; for example:

Gen 1:3 . .Then God said: Let there be light --and there was light.

My own voice is little more than that of a squeaky little gerbil, and when it's done
it's gone. But God's voice never goes away because it's a sentient being equal in
divinity to Himself.

I haven't a clue how a voice can exist as a sentient being; but when dealing with
intelligent design, I think we have to expect to discover some very unusual things
about the nature of the designer.

So then, if God's voice is one aspect of the trinity in creation: where's the other
two?

Well; there's God himself (Gen 1:1)

And then there's God's spirit (Gen 1:2)

So it would appear that the image and likeness of God per Gen 1:26 is a bit more
complex than is generally understood.
_

The Logos as used in John 1:1 and elsewhere in John's writings, is not the spoken Word of God, as in Creation, where we read in Genesis chapter 1, "God said", etc.

When John uses "Logos" for Jesus Christ, he means a real Person, as Jesus Christ is. In John 1:1, we read of "the Word" existing from eternity past, as a Person. He is "with God", Who is also a Person. And "the Word" Himself is also God, equal with the Father. In verse 14 John says that "the Word became flesh and lived among us", as a real Person.

In the Jewish Targums, which a paraphrases of the Hebrew Old Testament, which were around before Jesus was Born on earth, they have a term "Memra", which is equivalent to "Word", Who is a Person, and is also Yahweh. Soo, when we read of God meeting with Moses to give him the Ten Commandments, as in the Hebrew Bible, the Targum says that it was "the Merma (Word)" Who met with Moses. Also, when Yahweh meets with Abraham in Genesis chapters 17-19, in the Targum it is "the Memra", Who meets him. etc, etc.

The Logos in John is not impersonal as in the writings of Philo, but God the Son, a Person, Who is also the Creator, together with the Father and Holy Spirit, being Himself distinct from Them.
 
The Logos as used in John 1:1 and elsewhere in John's writings, is not the spoken Word of God, as in Creation, where we read in Genesis chapter 1, "God said", etc.

When John uses "Logos" for Jesus Christ, he means a real Person, as Jesus Christ is. In John 1:1, we read of "the Word" existing from eternity past, as a Person. He is "with God", Who is also a Person. And "the Word" Himself is also God, equal with the Father. In verse 14 John says that "the Word became flesh and lived among us", as a real Person.

In the Jewish Targums, which a paraphrases of the Hebrew Old Testament, which were around before Jesus was Born on earth, they have a term "Memra", which is equivalent to "Word", Who is a Person, and is also Yahweh. Soo, when we read of God meeting with Moses to give him the Ten Commandments, as in the Hebrew Bible, the Targum says that it was "the Merma (Word)" Who met with Moses. Also, when Yahweh meets with Abraham in Genesis chapters 17-19, in the Targum it is "the Memra", Who meets him. etc, etc.

The Logos in John is not impersonal as in the writings of Philo, but God the Son, a Person, Who is also the Creator, together with the Father and Holy Spirit, being Himself distinct from Them.
Wrong….

Ephesians 3:9
And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
 
"Jesus answered them, “Isaiah prophesied correctly about you hypocrites, as it is written:
‘These people honor Me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from Me.
They worship Me in vain;
they teach as doctrine the precepts of men.’

You have disregarded the commandment of God to keep the tradition of men.”
 
Wrong….

Ephesians 3:9
And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

Really?

Genesis 1.1 says

In the beginning God Created the heavens and the earth

Where does it say anything about God Creating "through" anyone?

In Hebrews 1:10-12, God the Father addresses Jesus Christ as the Actual Creator of the entire universe. And applies Psalm 102:24-27 which is for Almighty God, directly to Jesus Christ!
 
Where does it say anything about God Creating "through" anyone?
Who said “through” anyone? Not me.

It is about “how” God created all things.

Ephesians 3:9
And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

Hebrews 1:1-2

King James Version

1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Jeremiah 10:12
He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heavens by his discretion.

Jeremiah 51:15
He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heaven by his understanding.

1 Corinthians 1:24
But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
 
John 1:1 In the beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
1 Samuel 3:1
(ESV) Now the boy Samuel was ministering to the LORD in the presence of Eli. And the word of the LORD was rare in those days; there was no frequent vision.
(LEB) Now the boy Samuel was serving Yahweh in the presence of Eli. The word of Yahweh was rare in those days; visions were not widespread.
(LSV) And the youth Samuel is serving YHWH before Eli, and the word of YHWH has been precious in those days - there is no vision breaking forth.
A vision is an appearance as opposed to simply a hearing of a voice - the verse certainly implies that the appearance of 'the word of YHWH' was not seen often as opposed to a time when such had happened before.

Genesis 15:1 After these things the word of the LORD came to Abram in a vision: “Fear not, Abram, I am your shield; your reward shall be very great.”
 
Who said “through” anyone? Not me.


It is about “how” God created all things.

Ephesians 3:9
And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

Hebrews 1:1-2​

King James Version​

1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Jeremiah 10:12
He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heavens by his discretion.

Jeremiah 51:15
He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heaven by his understanding.

1 Corinthians 1:24
But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

and how does God Create BY Jesus?

And, why would God, Who is Almighty, need to Create the universe BY a created Person?

I have shown from Hebrews 1:10-12, that the Father says Jesus Christ is THE Creator

In Hebrews 1:10, we read of God the Father

"For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings"

Both "FOR whom", and "BY whom" in the Greek, is the same preposition, "dia", which is what is used in John 1:3, and Hebrews 1:2, for Jesus Christ.

In Galatians 1:1, this same preposition, "dia", is used for BOTH Jesus Christ and the Father.

The original meaning for this preposition, is "between", and then, "together WITH".

As it is clear from Genesis 1:1, and elsewhere, that GOD is the Creator, and we also know that the Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit, are Creators, the use of "together WITH" is best suited in places like John 1:3; Hebrews 1:2; Hebrews 2:10, etc.

the Biblical fact that Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit are Creators, makes it very clear, that they are Almighty God, and 100% COEQUAL with the Father.
 
Ephesians 3:9
And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
It would appear that not all Bible versions are equal nor correct -
Ephesians 3.9
(KJV) And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
(NENT) and to bring to light what is the dispensation of the mystery *hid for the ages in *God who created *all things; in order
(LITV) and to bring to light all, what is the fellowship of the mystery having been hidden from eternity in God, the One creating all things through Jesus Christ,
(ESV) and to bring to light for everyone what is the plan of the mystery hidden for ages in God, who created all things,
(Weymouth) and to show all men in a clear light what my stewardship is. It is the stewardship of the truth which from all the Ages lay concealed in the mind of God, the Creator of all things--
(DRB) And to enlighten all men, that they may see what is the dispensation of the mystery which hath been hidden from eternity in God who created all things:

to understand Ephesians 3:9 better let us read this verse in context
Ephesians 3:7 whereof I became a minister, according to the gift of the grace of *God *given me according to the working of his *power
3:8 (to me, the least of all saints, was this *grace given), to preach to the nations the unsearchable riches of the Christ
3:9 and to bring to light what is the dispensation of the mystery *hid for the ages in *God who created *all things; in order
3:10 that now unto the principalities and the powers in the heavenlies be made known through the [ekklēsia] the manifold wisdom of *God,
3:11 according to a plan of the ages which he made in the Christ, Jesus our Lord: [NENT]
 
and how does God Create BY Jesus?

And, why would God, Who is Almighty, need to Create the universe BY a created Person?

I have shown from Hebrews 1:10-12, that the Father says Jesus Christ is THE Creator

In Hebrews 1:10, we read of God the Father

"For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings"

Both "FOR whom", and "BY whom" in the Greek, is the same preposition, "dia", which is what is used in John 1:3, and Hebrews 1:2, for Jesus Christ.

In Galatians 1:1, this same preposition, "dia", is used for BOTH Jesus Christ and the Father.

The original meaning for this preposition, is "between", and then, "together WITH".

As it is clear from Genesis 1:1, and elsewhere, that GOD is the Creator, and we also know that the Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit, are Creators, the use of "together WITH" is best suited in places like John 1:3; Hebrews 1:2; Hebrews 2:10, etc.

the Biblical fact that Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit are Creators, makes it very clear, that they are Almighty God, and 100% COEQUAL with the Father.
Jesus Christ is the Word of God. God created all things by His Word.
 
Creation, in the Old Testament, is clearly the Work of The Three Persons of the Holy Trinity.
The holy trinity is in the first three verses of Genesis. Gen. 1:1, God; 1:2, Holy Spirit; 1:3, "Let there be light," that Light is Yeshua, manifestation of God. Yeshua is the LIGHT of the world, he once literally transfigured into blazing light., that is pretty obvious.
 
It would appear that not all Bible versions are equal nor correct -
Ephesians 3.9
(KJV) And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
(NENT) and to bring to light what is the dispensation of the mystery *hid for the ages in *God who created *all things; in order
(LITV) and to bring to light all, what is the fellowship of the mystery having been hidden from eternity in God, the One creating all things through Jesus Christ,
(ESV) and to bring to light for everyone what is the plan of the mystery hidden for ages in God, who created all things,
(Weymouth) and to show all men in a clear light what my stewardship is. It is the stewardship of the truth which from all the Ages lay concealed in the mind of God, the Creator of all things--
(DRB) And to enlighten all men, that they may see what is the dispensation of the mystery which hath been hidden from eternity in God who created all things:

to understand Ephesians 3:9 better let us read this verse in context
Ephesians 3:7 whereof I became a minister, according to the gift of the grace of *God *given me according to the working of his *power
3:8 (to me, the least of all saints, was this *grace given), to preach to the nations the unsearchable riches of the Christ
3:9 and to bring to light what is the dispensation of the mystery *hid for the ages in *God who created *all things; in order
3:10 that now unto the principalities and the powers in the heavenlies be made known through the [ekklēsia] the manifold wisdom of *God,
3:11 according to a plan of the ages which he made in the Christ, Jesus our Lord: [NENT]
Jesus Christ is the Word of God. God created all things by His Word.
 
Gen 1:3 . . Then God said "Let there be light" and there was light.

The creation of light (by God's voice) was a very, very intricate process. First God
had to create particulate matter, and along with those particles their specific
properties, including mass; if any. Then He had to invent the laws of nature to
govern how matter behaves in combination with and/or in the presence of, other
kinds of matter in order to generate electromagnetic radiation.

Light's properties are curious. It propagates as waves in a variety of lengths and
frequencies, and also as quantum bits called photons. And though light has no
detectable mass; it's influenced by gravity. Light is also quite invisible to the naked
eye. For example: you can see the Sun when you look at it, and you can see the
Moon when sunlight reflects from its surface. But none of the Sun's light is visible to
you in the void between them and that's because light isn't matter; it's energy; and
there is really a lot of it.

Space was at one time thought to contain absolutely nothing until radio
astronomers discovered something called cosmic microwave background. In a
nutshell: CMB fills the universe with light that apparently radiates from no
detectable source. The popular notion is that CMB is energy left over from the Big
Bang.

The same laws that make it possible for matter to generate electromagnetic
radiation also make other conditions possible too; e.g. fire, wind, water, ice, soil,
rain, life, centrifugal force, thermodynamics, fusion, dark energy, gravity, atoms,
organic molecules, magnetism, inertia, momentum, color, radiation, refraction,
reflection, high energy X-rays and gamma rays, temperature, pressure, force,
sound, friction, and electricity; et al.

So the creation of light was a pretty big deal; yet Genesis scarcely gives it passing
mention. That's no doubt because Genesis is mostly about origins rather than
mechanics.

2Cor 4:6 verifies that light wasn't introduced into the cosmos from outside in order
to dispel the darkness and brighten things up a bit; but rather, it radiated out of the
cosmos from inside-- from itself --indicating that the cosmos was created to be
self-illuminating by means of the various interactions of the matter that God made
for it; including, but not limited to, the Higgs Boson.
_
 
The holy trinity is in the first three verses of Genesis. Gen. 1:1, God; 1:2, Holy Spirit; 1:3, "Let there be light," that Light is Yeshua, manifestation of God. Yeshua is the LIGHT of the world, he once literally transfigured into blazing light., that is pretty obvious.

what you are saying is impossible! Jesus Christ is eternally Almighty God, in the same way the Father and Holy Spirit are Almighty God. Jesus Christ as God, never "became", as He always IS, which is what Yahweh means. The "light" you refer to is Created light, which was Created by Jesus Christ!
 
what you are saying is impossible! Jesus Christ is eternally Almighty God, in the same way the Father and Holy Spirit are Almighty God. Jesus Christ as God, never "became", as He always IS, which is what Yahweh means. The "light" you refer to is Created light, which was Created by Jesus Christ!
That's not "created light", that's manifestation of God who was ALREADY there. Invisible God now is in visible light. That's not created light, Gen 1:3 doesn't say "God created light". God created heaven and earth, but the light just appeared when He said, "let there be light."
 
That's not "created light", that's manifestation of God who was ALREADY there. Invisible God now is in visible light. That's not created light, Gen 1:3 doesn't say "God created light". God created heaven and earth, but the light just appeared when He said, "let there be light."

Jesus Christ is NOT Created as He is THE CREATOR!
 
Jesus Christ is NOT Created as He is THE CREATOR!
When did I say or imply that Yeshua was created? God didn’t create Yeshua, He REVEALED himself as light, and that is Yeshua - already there, at the beginning! How do I know that? God revealed himself to Moses as light, Yeshua revealed himself in his transfiguration as light!
 
Gen 1:4a . . And God saw the light, that it was good

God didn't see the light until He said let there be light; meaning of course that
the cosmos' light didn't exist until God made it.

God declared that light is good; but He didn't declare that darkness is good. In
point of fact, darkness typically represents bad things in the Bible; while light
typically represents good things. It's been a rule of thumb from the very beginning.

NOTE: It's curious to me that most Bible students have no trouble readily

conceding that everything else in the first chapter of Genesis is natural, e.g. the
cosmos, the earth, the atmosphere, water, dry land, the Sun, the Moon, the stars,
aqua life, winged life, terra life, flora life, and human life.

But when it comes to the cosmos' light they choke; finding it impossible within
themselves to believe that Genesis just might be consistent in its description of the
creative process. I mean, if all those other things are natural, why wouldn't the cosmos'

light be natural too? In point of fact, without natural light, planet Earth would become a
cold dead world right quick.
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