Today I cannot shake off "Polycarp" he keeps coming to my Mind, well I guess I will also Bring Him back into Your minds once again you will see him

[PloughBoy]

It has been so long now, walking among the brethren and hearing "The TERM": " Polycarp And "Play The Man!”

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[PloughBoy]

◄ Isaiah 3 ►

King James Bible Par ▾ Judgment against Judah and Jerusalem 1For, behold, the Lord, the LORD of hosts, doth take away from Jerusalem and from Judah the stay and the staff, the whole stay of bread, and the whole stay of water, 2The mighty man, and the man of war, the judge, and the prophet, and the prudent, and the ancient, 3The captain of fifty, and the honourable man, and the counseller, and the cunning artificer, and the eloquent orator.

 

[Garee]

It has been so long now, walking among the brethren and hearing "The TERM": " Polycarp And "Play The Man!”

Polycarp’s Martyrdom | Christian History Institute

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The whole idea of martyrdom in respect to those who die in Christ has set up a false gospel . We know the first witness (martyr) Abel .The word does not mean dead . But again simply witness. all witnesses die of old age. . we can seek the living witnesses as it is written.. And put on to keep on the armor of God.

Many sects define martyr as those that died as a special reward. . We all receive the same reward eternal life in new incorruptible bodies.

When a believer dies it does not change the meaning of the word "witness." . All in Adam (flesh and blood) die. . a witness that they had no salvation. .

There is no law that states ; if they would not renounce their beliefs they will die. That was simply a oral tradition of men .. . venerate puffed up those who die.

The word "witness" as a martyr like many words can be used as a blessing of God . . . or a curse, earthly of the devil,

God's doctrines inspired from above coming down like rain or . . . . . earthy inspired after the wisdom or god of this world . . .they must be rightly divided. .

Below the father of lies used it as a way of cursing the true witness, the word of God. . . as false martyr (Saul the false apostle. ) murdering the true unseen witness the Holy Spirit working in the true martyrs. .

Acts 7:58 And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul.

Therefore establishing Saul as a approval martyr. (witnness) or today called patron saints.(3500 and rising) as to their teaching on martyrdom.

Hebrews 11:4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness (martyr) that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

 

[PloughBoy]

The whole idea of martyrdom in respect to those who die in Christ has set up a false gospel . We know the first witness (martyr) Abel .The word does not mean dead . But again simply witness. all witnesses die of old age. . we can seek the living witnesses as it is written.. And put on to keep on the armor of God.

Many sects define martyr as those that died as a special reward. . We all receive the same reward eternal life in new incorruptible bodies.

When a believer dies it does not change the meaning of the word "witness." . All in Adam (flesh and blood) die. . a witness that they had no salvation. .

There is no law that states ; if they would not renounce their beliefs they will die. That was simply a oral tradition of men .. . venerate puffed up those who die.

The word "witness" as a martyr like many words can be used as a blessing of God . . . or a curse, earthly of the devil,

God's doctrines inspired from above coming down like rain or . . . . . earthy inspired after the wisdom or god of this world . . .they must be rightly divided. .

Below the father of lies used it as a way of cursing the true witness, the word of God. . . as false martyr (Saul the false apostle. ) murdering the true unseen witness the Holy Spirit working in the true martyrs. .

Acts 7:58 And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul.

Therefore establishing Saul as a approval martyr. (witnness) or today called patron saints.(3500 and rising) as to their teaching on martyrdom.

Hebrews 11:4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness (martyr) that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

Well I do not know anything about "Martyr" and I do not care to learn anything About it. That is out of my league and I do not care to learn about it., for it is none of my business.


And the reason I mention

"Polycarp" is what he is known for and it was not how he died, I wouldn't care how he died that is not important to me, it is what he is famous for. is why I mention his name. that came to mind not how he died, I wouldn't care how he died.​

 

[Garee]

Well I do not know anything about "Martyr" and I do not care to learn anything About it. That is out of my league and I do not care to learn about it., for it is none of my business.


And the reason I mention

"Polycarp" is what he is known for and it was not how he died, I wouldn't care how he died that is not important to me, it is what he is famous for. is why I mention his name. that came to mind not how he died, I wouldn't care how he died.​

And you mentioned his name for what reason ?


The whole article was all about martyrdom . .He simply misunderstood the use of the word martyr in order to create a government of venerable dying mankind, the pagan foundation out of sight out of mind ? Who believes in a God not seen. . mentality ?

 

[PloughBoy]

And you mentioned his name for what reason ?


The whole article was all about martyrdom . .He simply misunderstood the use of the word martyr in order to create a government of venerable dying mankind, the pagan foundation out of sight out of mind ? Who believes in a God not seen. . mentality ?

Ok, it is not his Martyrdom he was famous for, For it was not his Martyrdom that came to my mind.

Title thread:

"Today I cannot shake off "Polycarp" he keeps coming to my Mind, well I guess I will also Bring Him back into Your minds once again you will see him"​

 

[Garee]

Ok, it is not his Martyrdom he was famous for, For it was not his Martyrdom that came to my mind.

Title thread:

"Today I cannot shake off "Polycarp" he keeps coming to my Mind, well I guess I will also Bring Him back into Your minds once again you will see him"​

If God is bringing him to your mind . What is it that you want us to know?

 

[PloughBoy]

If God is bringing him to your mind . What is it that you want us to know?

Most every Child of God knows about the life of

"Polycarp" especially Christian Children, just a reminder, in times like this, He gives us encouragement.​

Polycarp has been giving "The Saints" of GOD, courage for Centuries. him and "Athannius" "Contra Mun-dum"

 

[Garee]

Most every Child of God knows about the life of

"Polycarp" especially Christian Children, just a reminder, in times like this, He gives us encouragement.​

Polycarp has been giving "The Saints" of GOD, courage for Centuries. him and "Athannius" "Contra Mun-dum"

Why would every child of God know about Polycarp?

His private interptation as a personal comenterry is the same of anyone today . We have the perfect (Genesis through Revaltion )sealed to the end of time . It must be rightly divided if we are to seek the approval of our unseen Holy God. and not add to or taken away from it as it is written..

I do not think praying to dead workers with familiar spirits that some today call patron can add and aid in our own sufferings. Salvation is not of mankind seen but is of our invisible powerful God. Yoked with him we can cry out to Him Abba Father and not cry out to fathers as a legion of gods. . . disembodied spirits.. He commands us to call no man Holy Father on earth .

He taught against the dying carnal oral traditions of men. (law of fathers)


1 Corinthians 3:3-8 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men? For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal? Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.


Using the two as another kind of witness not to think of men seen above that which is written (the faith of Christ revealed)

1 Corinthians 4:5-7King James Version Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God. And these things, brethren, I have in a figure (parable) transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another. For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?


God protecting the integrity of his living word .His name Jealous he owns all things will not share the glory and power of his word with dying flesh and blood of mankind.

Matthew 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

 

[Garee]

The word martyr comes from the Greek for “witness”, originally applied to the apostles who had witnessed Christ’s life working in Jesus the Son of man.Jesus Later it was used to describe those who arrested and on trial admitting to being Christians.

The development of Martyrdom. I would call it a wile of the evil one. . . as a way of venerating puffing up one mans flesh against another.It would seem to be a form of blasphemy which is to attribute the power of our unseen God to dying mankind seen. Like some do with the word apostle.

Again it would appear as blasphemy. . . taking away or making to no effect the authority of the living word of God giving it over to dying men apostles . God uses the witness of two apostles as a warning not to venerate puff up apostles above that which is written .

1 Corinthians 4:6-7 And these things, brethren, I have in a figure (parable) transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another. For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?


In that way others receive no gain from those sent with the will of another (Christ) . We do not serve a carnal gospel (what the eyes see) rather that the unseen things of God . . .Faith.

2 Corinthians 3: 3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men? For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal? Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.

It's how beautiful are the feet of those shod with the gospel of peace washed by the water of the word . Peter denied the need for jesu to wah his feet and jesus informed him if he did not wash his then Peter had no part of Christianity.

It would seem the word "sent one" has been confused .Words like apostolic succession or apostolic time period would seem to lose there meaning in a hope of those sent are elevated up above sola scriptura


Polycarp simply opened the door to re -establish that which had just been reformed at the first century reformation.. destroying the government of men (Kings in Israel)

The first listed martyr is Abel, the first second born . . .leading to Jesus the son of man , completing the genealogy of the seed Christ.

 

[theLeadmonger]

Polycarp, oh I haven't heard that name in a long time. He was in fact absolutely no different than Arius, except that the one was Greek and the other Roman, during the time of the Grecian wars of Rome, which are recorded in the fourth book of Ceasar's campaign reports to the Senate. They were both pagan priests, and the Greek and Roman rites were almost identical. Both countries had a sacrificial system at an altar, and it was similar to the Israelites, sacrifices of lambs in most ways. (They Greeks and Romans did the same thing for the same purpose). That was a very interesting relationship they had; they really were both priests. As priests, they both served propitiation communion to their countrymen, and both of them were murdered by the Carthaginians. Polycarp died in Alexandria, perishing with the national library in that same location, which was in fact a school (state public school) library attached to the Greek temple. Arius likewise was killed at his alter service by Hannibal's troops.

Polycarp and Arius weren't at war against each other. Carthage was marching against both Greece and Rome, and also, both countries did have tritors. They fought each other over national treaties. It was like a civil war, but it wasn't one, they were separate countries and fought over the breaking of longstanding amity, commerce and military ties, the each by governmental agents with the raging heathen forces of Carthage, which was indeed attacking them equally.

Both pagan alter scribes were Pius, abided by their nation's standards, and died for their nations and faith as the Egyptians under Hannibal stormed Mediterranean Europe.

 

[lentz]

Only thing I know about Polycarp is that he was a student under St. John and was killed because he wouldn’t deny Christ.

 

[theLeadmonger]

Only thing I know about Polycarp is that he was a student under St. John and was killed because he wouldn’t deny Christ.

Polycarp went through a lot. Some people say he is who Ben Hur was based on in the book by Lew Wallace, which does make sense, Ben is a Hebrew way of saying son, and Hur can be seen as being a shortened way of writing Hercules, who was Greek. Polycarp and Arius are also compared to the two houses in Romeo and Juliet, it makes sense enough for a Roman and Greek to be friends or even romantic friends, at least a sister and brother, but at the time, the two countries were totally at war. That's memorialized in many a chess set, with Arius and Polycarp as the bishops.