Truth

[Bill Taylor]

! John 1-4
The Word of Life
1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we looked upon and have touched with our hands, concerning the word of life— 2 the life was made manifest, and we have seen it, and testify to it and proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and was made manifest to us— 3 that which we have seen and heard we proclaim also to you, so that you too may have fellowship with us; and indeed our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ. 4 And we are writing these things so that our[a] joy may be complete.
There is no such thing as relative truth! Truth is absolute in any case or it is a lie. Yehovah has preserved His Holy Word in the original manuscripts. Men have been inspired by The Ruah to interpret that Word into many languages.
Satan has also inspired men to mistranslate the scriptures, e.g., the New World Translation of the JWs. He has also inspired people such as Joseph Smith to create new clones of Christianity based on imaginary golden tablets that, according to him, superseded the Holy Scriptures and changed the meaning of some of the text.
Be careful of the God you choose to follow.

 

[Rhema]

Yehovah has preserved His Holy Word in the original manuscripts.

Well, it doesn't help that we don't have any original manuscripts. We just don't. And there are examples where manuscripts don't say the same thing (cf. MAt. 19:17). So what do we do with that?

Men have been inspired by The Ruah to interpret that Word into many languages.

Just to note that I think you meant "translate." But are all translations True? What of English translations that add in words that change the meaning (like the 1984 edition of the NIV)? Or what of the English translations that contradict each other?

Truth is absolute in any case or it is a lie.

I've not found Black and White thinking to be beneficial. Sometimes all one has is a A Whiter Shade of Pale.

Rhema

(But yeah, the NWT is really crappy.)

 

[Bill Taylor]

Well, it doesn't help that we don't have any original manuscripts. We just don't. And there are examples where manuscripts don't say the same thing (cf. MAt. 19:17). So what do we do with that?


Just to note that I think you meant "translate." But are all translations True? What of English translations that add in words that change the meaning (like the 1984 edition of the NIV)? Or what of the English translations that contradict each other?


I've not found Black and White thinking to be beneficial. Sometimes all one has is a A Whiter Shade of Pale.

Rhema

(But yeah, the NWT is really crappy.)

I pray you find the Creator God because scripture teaches us that without faith we are not saved. Furthermore, without the Indwelling of Ruah, the Holy Spirit, we cannot possibly understand what the scriptures are saying. I have often testified about the effect the Indwelling and my comprehension of scripture meant to me. But I refuse to beat my head against your brick wall. I wish you well and leave you with my ending prayer that you find the truth that took me frrom 11/3/66 until 1/1/90 to uncover.

 

[Rhema]

I pray you find the Creator God because scripture teaches us that without faith we are not saved.

Thank you for the prayers, Bill, but by faith, I believe in the teachings of Jesus:

Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:​

(Acts 13:38 KJV)

And I know that my sins have been forgiven in accordance with those teachings.

After this manner therefore PRAY: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our sins, as we forgive those who sin against us.​

(Matthew 6:9-12 KJV)

I wish you well and leave you with my ending prayer that you find the truth that took me frrom 11/3/66 until 1/1/90 to uncover.

Well whatever that truth may be, I'm glad you found it. He did say to seek and keep on seeking.

Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,​

(Mark 1:14 KJV)

If Jesus came preaching the Gospel, then the Gospel is what Jesus preached, no matter what anyone else may say.

Rhema

 

[Foghorn]

Well, it doesn't help that we don't have any original manuscripts. We just don't. And there are examples where manuscripts don't say the same thing (cf. MAt. 19:17). So what do we do with that?

One thing we can do is ask, can God preserve His word? If so, do we need the original manuscripts?

Just to note that I think you meant "translate." But are all translations True? What of English translations that add in words that change the meaning (like the 1984 edition of the NIV)?

I believe the NIV is a paraphrased and therefore w weaker version. but would you show some examples of the words that change the meaning, I'm really interested in seeing this proof. though i doubt you have any.

Or what of the English translations that contradict each other?

that's quite the statement. would you present some? Thanks

 

[Foghorn]

I pray you find the Creator God because scripture teaches us that without faith we are not saved. Furthermore, without the Indwelling of Ruah, the Holy Spirit, we cannot possibly understand what the scriptures are saying. I have often testified about the effect the Indwelling and my comprehension of scripture meant to me. But I refuse to beat my head against your brick wall. I wish you well and leave you with my ending prayer that you find the truth that took me frrom 11/3/66 until 1/1/90 to uncover.

Amen!

 

[Rhema]

One thing we can do is ask, can God preserve His word?

One thing we can do is look at the thousands of manuscripts that have have different readings and know that God did not preserve a Bible. God did not even command a canon. (The Catholic church did that.)

But the truth of the matter is "God's Word" is not the Bible. God's Word is contained in the Bible (and there are two of them). And it is the desire of God to write His Word on your heart, not for someone to try and use his brain to figure out what scribbles on paper might mean.

I believe the NIV is a paraphrased and therefore w weaker version. but would you show some examples of the words that change the meaning, I'm really interested in seeing this proof. though i doubt you have any.

C.OCK-sure are you Foghorn??

Biblical scholar Bruce M. Metzger criticized the NIV 1984 edition for the addition of "just" into Jeremiah 7:22 in which the verse becomes "For when I brought your forefathers/ancestors out of Egypt and spoke to them, I did not just give them commands about burnt offerings and sacrifices." Metzger also criticized the addition of "your" into Matthew 13:32, which becomes "Though it (the mustard seed) is the smallest of all your seeds." The word your was removed from that verse in the 2011 revision.​

LINK (last paragraph)

In 2009, the New Testament scholar N. T. Wright wrote that the NIV obscured what Paul the Apostle was saying and ensured that Paul's words conformed to Protestant and Evangelical tradition. He claimed, "if a church only, or mainly, relies on the NIV it will, quite simply, never understand what Paul was talking about," especially in Galatians and Romans.​

LINK (third paragraph)

More proof? Find it yourself. Buy this book, and then compare the Greek/English gloss with the NIV.

The Interlinear KJV-NIV Parallel New Testament in Greek…

The Interlinear KJV-NIV Parallel New Testament does thr…

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I did, over fifty years ago, and I stand by my position that the NIV is just as much a cultic translation as the New World Translation of the JWs.

that's quite the statement. would you present some? Thanks

Once you get a civil tongue in your mouth..... Don't come out swinging at someone about whom you know nothing.

From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.​

(Matthew 4:17 KJV)

From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say: Do penance, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.​

(Matthew 4:17 DRB)

As the Father forgives,
Rhema

 

[Foghorn]

One thing we can do is look at the thousands of manuscripts that have have different readings and know that God did not preserve a Bible. God did not even command a canon. (The Catholic church did that.)

Are you saying because the CC put together the canon of scripture God cannot preserve His word?

 

[Rhema]

Which Word? (There are two of them...)

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Thread 'The Bible and the Word of God'

Nov 2, 2024

It has been a long theological debate (decades before my time) as to whether the Bible IS the Word of God or whether the Bible CONTAINS the Word of God.

Technically, one could say that the Bible IS NOT the Word of God if there is anything in the Bible that directly states that it is NOT the Word of God. Oddly enough Paul provides such evidence:

But to the rest I, not the Lord, say: If any brother has a wife who does not believe, and she is willing to live with him, let him not divorce her.​

(1 Corinthians 7:12 NKJV)

To the rest I...​

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Kindly,
Rhema