Two ways of Creation

[mmcent]

A question I had growing up was when reading Genesis 1, you can categorize creation this way:

Day 1: Light
Day 2: Heaven
Day 3: Earth (water then land)
Day 4: Sun, Moon, Stars
Day 5: Sea animals, Birds
Day 6: Land animals, Man

In Genesis 2,

The order seems to be the water, man, then plants.

Was there something missing in this? I was told that this is two "accounts" of creation but that doesn't really make sense to me.

Let me know any thoughts (or if you wondered about this too lol)

 

[Brother Paul]

A question I had growing up was when reading Genesis 1, you can categorize creation this way:

Day 1: Light
Day 2: Heaven
Day 3: Earth (water then land)
Day 4: Sun, Moon, Stars
Day 5: Sea animals, Birds
Day 6: Land animals, Man

In Genesis 2,

The order seems to be the water, man, then plants.

Was there something missing in this? I was told that this is two "accounts" of creation but that doesn't really make sense to me.

Let me know any thoughts (or if you wondered about this too lol)

No! The confusion comes in because of the error made by western Christians division of Chapters...the telling in chapter 1 does not end until 2:3. Then in 2:4 we have a general thesis statement like unto Genesis 1:1 but in this case a new detail is added. The concept of Yatzar is now emphasized. So this extension focuses on making versus creating (bara). But even here the plants precede the man. Yatzar is to make or form (giving form to or the materiality aspect of this process. So we read how the plants were created before they were formed. So consider this...when humankind is created He creates them male and female but when He forms them from the dust of the ground (the elements) He forms the Male first. I think this should help if not then ask further...

 

[Sue D.]

I don't see an error in chapter division. Reading it -- there is a natural division in context / content. vs 31 finishes that particular subject area. Chapter 2 simply goes into more detail of the creation. Chapter 1 is a general description of what happened day by day in creation. Each day certain things took place and God saw that it was good. "And the evening and the morning ended one day and the morning started the second day.

In Chapter 1 -- everything was in place so that man and woman could survive as young adults in the world God created for them and eventually everyone else - including us.

Man, Adam, didn't have to water the ground, plants or anything else because of the water that came up from under ground. There was water available to both man and the plants.

 

[twcstp111]

From what I can see,

Yes, I can see two very distinctly.

 

[Sue D.]

From what I can see,

Yes, I can see two very distinctly.

Your bio information says you're from California -- since that state is pretty much on fire - literally - how are you doing?

You said you can see two very distinctly -- two different acts Of creation or one being expounded on in more detail in chapter 2.

 

[twcstp111]

Your bio information says you're from California -- since that state is pretty much on fire - literally - how are you doing?

You said you can see two very distinctly -- two different acts Of creation or one being expounded on in more detail in chapter 2.

Another day, maybe. I'm exhausted and weary of learning so much and looking on at so many problems. I'm brain scrambled right now from months of sleeplessness and worry.

 

[Sue D.]

Maybe you could share what it is that's causing your months of sleeplesness and worry. Do you know how to start a 'conversation" here on Forum? I do know people living in California.

 

[twcstp111]

Maybe you could share what it is that's causing your months of sleeplesness and worry. Do you know how to start a 'conversation" here on Forum? I do know people living in California.

It's exactly what I haven't shared in this thread.

 

[Sue D.]

I do believe we've been interacting on Another thread. About 'cross bearing' ?!

 

[twcstp111]

I do believe we've been interacting on Another thread. About 'cross bearing' ?!

Jesus did not simply die for our sins. His cross teaches us the way to instruction through rebuke, which is the substance of repentance--receiving the gift of rebuke is receiving the gift of understanding and wisdom that is not our own but is of the refined and perfect kind which comes from the Lord.

 

[twcstp111]

There's two kinds of light; the kind that we see, and the kind that is in us. Same with darkness. there's two kind of seas; the ocean's sea, and then there's the multitudes of peoples. There's two kinds of heavens and two kinds of earths that we can see; there's those who rule and those who are ruled over--there's two kinds of clouds, clouds that bring rain in due season as we see it and men who bring words of truth in due season as we see it.

Jesus was able to teach us of heavenly things, but he came from heaven. I would ask him for a pillow.

 

[Sue D.]

@twcstp111 -- If I may ask -- what belief system are you part of?

 

[twcstp111]

@twcstp111 -- If I may ask -- what belief system are you part of?

I believe in Jesus Christ--there's no system.

 

[Sue D.]

What do you believe About Jesus Christ? That's He's the Son of God?

Some of your comments sound a bit 'new age' or something.

 

[twcstp111]

What do you believe About Jesus Christ? That's He's the Son of God?

Some of your comments sound a bit 'new age' or something.

Yeah, he's the Son of God no doubt.

If my comments aren't understood it's because the spiritual insights which I have received have yet to be received or expounded through pathways of communication. It's as I stated, I can see two types of creation distinctively, and when I read the word I see two entirely different words, because the one I read by the word, and the other I see by a picture, and surely enough there are things hidden in the scriptures that have yet to even be imagined.

If I see a cloud that brings rain as a man that brings the Word of God in due season (truth) then both are clouds that rain upon the earth; and if we are counted as the earth then surely we are as the earth that requires rain. Jesus was very clear that there's water which feeds our bodies and that there's water which feeds our souls--the first comes from what we can see clearly and the second comes from the words that we perceive with all of our senses--those words which communicate with our souls even as we communicate with our own souls.

 

[Sue D.]

It's your way of expressing yourself that is a bit strange. And I don't think it has anything to do with spiritual insights that you've received.

As far as the creation is concerned, it Is true that when we describe something it's so the other person can 'see' it / picture something in our mind.

Well -- Jesus does describe 'living' water compared to water that we drink.

But that's not really what's involved with the Genesis creation narrative. The 1st chapter tells generally speaking what's being created each day. And the 2nd chapter tells more specifically the how's of it. More detail. But it's the same creation taking place.

 

[twcstp111]

Right, but within creation there are multiple creations.

Would we be able to perceive heaven without the word of heaven? Or water without the word of water? There's the world outside, and the world inside, both of which are real and creations, both being create by the word.

 

[Sue D.]

Genesis 1:1 "in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. And then proceeds to tell us that He took 6 individual days to do the creating. Everything being included -- no need For multiple creations.

Now you're getting into words needing context to make sense and to be understood. We can perceive enough of what heaven will be like and how to get there in order To want To be there. Same as with hell / lake of fire and brimstone. God tells us enough about it to know we Don't want to end up there and how to stay out.

Multiple places were created -- but it was all in the same act of creation.