Was That First Sin God's Bad Day at the Office?

[Andyindauk]

In one verse God's creation, His perfect, wonderful and amazing creation changed forever, and that change was catastrophic and ushered in a period dominated by that horrible word, sin. (So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate. Genesis 3:6 NKJV) Definition of sin is anything that's worse than God. The consequences of sin, billions and billions of people die, the degradation of the planet and the death of His precious son, Jesus.

So was Genesis 3:6 the moment when God's project fell off the rails? Was this a shock or a crisis? If God knows the future, did He not see this coming and could He not have prevented it? Your thoughts please.

 

[B-A-C]

Life - it's a wonderful thing.

The woman taking the fruit wasn't the first thing in creation that went "wrong".
Satan was cast out of heaven before he tempted the woman. At some unknown point in time (also possibly before the serpent tempted Eve) a third of the angels rebelled and left heaven.

When God was creating creation... 5 times He said "it is good". ( Gen 1:10; Gen 1:12; Gen 1:18; Gen 1:21; Gen 1:25; ) but before Adam and Eve were tempted.. He said it is NOT good. ( Gen 2:18; )
So I don't think Gen 3:6 was when it all fell apart. But then the question here is... did it really fall apart?

There are people who view God's sovereign nature differently.
Some think the god of this universe is just a minor demigod, in training so to speak... this god isn't really in control of everything, he may be in over his head.

At the opposite end of the spectrum - there are people who believe god is in control of everything, they believe he "has to be". They don't believe in free-will at all.
To them, everything thing that happens is a scripted movie. Many of these people that even when you sin, god made you sin, because after all, he is in control of everything.
This god decides who gets saved and who doesn't.

Then there are people such as myself who view God's sovereign nature a little higher than the two views above. God is God... no matter what.
When Adam and Eve ate the fruit, 100% of all mankind on the Earth was in sin. Did God quit being God during this time? Of course not. It doesn't really matter what we do.
God is still God. God's sovereignty doesn't depend on us in any way. God put the tree (the knowledge of good and evil) in the garden. He knew it was possible the man and his wife could have eaten from it.
He even made the statement.. "if you eat from... you will surely die". It's that "IF" that gets some people.

Some of us have this view that we ( mankind ) is God's sole reason for existence. ... and yet God existed kajillions of millennia (that's a word I just made up, but you get the idea)
before mankind existed. God also has to deal with the angels. It's likely the angels existed before mankind. If you believe in an "old Earth" creation, then God had to deal
with dinosaurs, meteors, volcanoes, and lots of other things before He created man. But even if man didn't exist... God would still be God.

I have four biological children. (more step children) they are all grown up now. In fact I have some grandchildren.
When I found out my wife was pregnant, I hoped for the best. I hoped they would be healthy, of sound mind, and eventually come to know God/Jesus.
It didn't work out exactly as planned. All of them are healthy, but two of them are not walking with the Lord. I've found out over the years through trial and error
that I can't "make them" choose Jesus. It has to be their choice.

.. and maybe that was God's plan all along. To give us choice and see what we would choose. Him.. ( our creator ) or the world, sin, and eternal damnation.
God doesn't force anyone to come to Him. He invites us surely, but even then... we are never forced.
Men and women court each other... (do I dare use the word "date") they get to know each other, hoping for the best. Hoping to "choose" someone and fall in love with them.
(all marriages aren't "love based", but they should be). You can't make them choose you. It has to be their choice.
A famous old poem says... If you love someone set them free. If they come back, they're yours. If they don't.. they never were.
God wants to see who chooses Him. He wants to see who will love Him and be faithful to Him.
Some believe He already knows in advance... and it's possible that is true. But just because I knew what you were going to do, doesn't mean I'm the one who made you do it.

Did it all "fall apart".. or was this God's plan all along?

 

[Andyindauk]

Life - it's a wonderful thing.

The woman taking the fruit wasn't the first thing in creation that went "wrong".
Satan was cast out of heaven before he tempted the woman. At some unknown point in time (also possibly before the serpent tempted Eve) a third of the angels rebelled and left heaven.

When God was creating creation... 5 times He said "it is good". ( Gen 1:10; Gen 1:12; Gen 1:18; Gen 1:21; Gen 1:25; ) but before Adam and Eve were tempted.. He said it is NOT good. ( Gen 2:18; )
So I don't think Gen 3:6 was when it all fell apart. But then the question here is... did it really fall apart?

There are people who view God's sovereign nature differently.
Some think the god of this universe is just a minor demigod, in training so to speak... this god isn't really in control of everything, he may be in over his head.

At the opposite end of the spectrum - there are people who believe god is in control of everything, they believe he "has to be". They don't believe in free-will at all.
To them, everything thing that happens is a scripted movie. Many of these people that even when you sin, god made you sin, because after all, he is in control of everything.
This god decides who gets saved and who doesn't.

Then there are people such as myself who view God's sovereign nature a little higher than the two views above. God is God... no matter what.
When Adam and Eve ate the fruit, 100% of all mankind on the Earth was in sin. Did God quit being God during this time? Of course not. It doesn't really matter what we do.
God is still God. God's sovereignty doesn't depend on us in any way. God put the tree (the knowledge of good and evil) in the garden. He knew it was possible the man and his wife could have eaten from it.
He even made the statement.. "if you eat from... you will surely die". It's that "IF" that gets some people.

Some of us have this view that we ( mankind ) is God's sole reason for existence. ... and yet God existed kajillions of millennia (that's a word I just made up, but you get the idea)
before mankind existed. God also has to deal with the angels. It's likely the angels existed before mankind. If you believe in an "old Earth" creation, then God had to deal
with dinosaurs, meteors, volcanoes, and lots of other things before He created man. But even if man didn't exist... God would still be God.

I have four biological children. (more step children) they are all grown up now. In fact I have some grandchildren.
When I found out my wife was pregnant, I hoped for the best. I hoped they would be healthy, of sound mind, and eventually come to know God/Jesus.
It didn't work out exactly as planned. All of them are healthy, but two of them are not walking with the Lord. I've found out over the years through trial and error
that I can't "make them" choose Jesus. It has to be their choice.

.. and maybe that was God's plan all along. To give us choice and see what we would choose. Him.. ( our creator ) or the world, sin, and eternal damnation.
God doesn't force anyone to come to Him. He invites us surely, but even then... we are never forced.
Men and women court each other... (do I dare use the word "date") they get to know each other, hoping for the best. Hoping to "choose" someone and fall in love with them.
(all marriages aren't "love based", but they should be). You can't make them choose you. It has to be their choice.
A famous old poem says... If you love someone set them free. If they come back, they're yours. If they don't.. they never were.
God wants to see who chooses Him. He wants to see who will love Him and be faithful to Him.
Some believe He already knows in advance... and it's possible that is true. But just because I knew what you were going to do, doesn't mean I'm the one who made you do it.

Did it all "fall apart".. or was this God's plan all along?

Thank you for these thoughtful paragraphs.

The Bible tells us that towards the end of those kajillions of millennia, God created the heavens (plural) skies and the place that Jesus promised us that we will go and an integral part of heaven is the angels Genesis 2:1, Colossians 1:16, Revelation4:11. One of those angels was called Satan, a very senior angel. The Bible tells us that that angel got ideas above his station and rebelled in trying to usurp God Isaiah 14:13-14. Satan and his like minded angels paid the price and got booted out of Heaven but rather than see them homeless God created Hell for them Matthew 25:41 - what a come down!

So why did God create a rebellious angels? Similar question, why did Jesus choose a traitor as a disciple?

 

[VisionSeeker]

In one verse God's creation, His perfect, wonderful and amazing creation changed forever, and that change was catastrophic and ushered in a period dominated by that horrible word, sin. (So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate. Genesis 3:6 NKJV) Definition of sin is anything that's worse than God. The consequences of sin, billions and billions of people die, the degradation of the planet and the death of His precious son, Jesus.

So was Genesis 3:6 the moment when God's project fell off the rails? Was this a shock or a crisis? If God knows the future, did He not see this coming and could He not have prevented it? Your thoughts please.

Yes GOD could of stop it but, he gives us free will to choose. We know right from wrong. May GOD have mercy on us an forgive us

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Yes GOD could of stop it but, he gives us free will to choose. We know right from wrong. May GOD have mercy on us an forgive us♥♥

Without our free will, our love for God is not love...Its subservience...Love can only be given as an act of the will. When God created us, He gave us free will, and He knew we would fall....He already had a plan for our salvation way back then.

 

[Andyindauk]

Without our free will, our love for God is not love...Its subservience...Love can only be given as an act of the will. When God created us, He gave us free will, and He knew we would fall....He already had a plan for our salvation way back then.

Couldn't have put it better myself, thank you Admon.

Yes sin was actually an integral part of God's plan, light years before He'd even begun creation. He created Heaven and included in that was an angel with a propensity to rebel and would eventually choose rebellion Isaiah 13:13-14. Immediately after that rebellion God created Hell Matthew 25:41 otherwise Satan would have been homeless! So no, this was not a bad day at the office or the wheels falling off of God's plan, it was part of it. In the same way, thousands of years later, Judas was not a poor choice of disciple, he to was part of God's plan. God had revealed this in prophesies a thousand years earlier in Psalm 55:12-14.

So God gave each of us a choice and He wanted us to choose Him, and I have. So yes I agree with you Admon, I think if God had created us to be like 'angels without wings', there would have been no martyrs or persecuted church, none of the heroes listed in Hebrews11, and more importantly still, I would not have endured and lived through the consequences of sin and looked to His son Jesus as my saviour and Lord. Because of that, we have a huge role in Heaven awaiting us, not least of which, the Church becomes Jesus's bride. All part of God's incredible plan.