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Adam and Eve committed sin by choosing the forbidden knowledge of good and evil. Do we need to confess that sin?
WHAT IS SIN?
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To see our need for the Saviour to save us from our sins and give us eternal life, yes.
But not every one gives the gospel to sinners to look to Jesus to deliver them from their sins. Some place the emphasis for sinners to repent from all sins when they need to believe in Him to deliver them from their sins and not just give them eternal life for believing in Him.
Discipleship involves teaching newly saved believers everything Jesus had taught His disciples so they can look to Him daily as their Good Shepherd & Frend to help them lay aside every weight & sin daily in walking in the light in fellowship with the Father & the Son.
"The denial of death" by Earnest Beckert makes a case that the biblical "knowledge of good and evil"
Is basically what separates us from animals, and he makes a good case that even in early childhood we start incurring a kind of ptsd as a result of knowing that we are going to die. This ptsd manifests itself in many denial protection elements produced by your own mind, which collectively make up most every "Structure" of society. Religions, Traditions, Governments of many types, etc. It all has to go, take on the perspective of Christ, not your ancestors, and don't build upon sand.
I do not see it as sin that needs to be confessed but rather you need to let God change you so that the truma you've already incurred can be forgotten and so that you can stop being afraid of death, which will substantially help you make better decisions in the future, as well as avoid incurring more ptsd. How many people go to sleep at night worried that their loved ones will die, or be harmed by another person? what good does that worry do?
The issue with knowledge of other people's sin is a bigger issue today in my opinion. Jesus is available for you to confess your knowledge of your own sin to*. but what do you do about your knowledge of another's?
*But do not be so arrogant that you think you have all knowledge of all of your sin...
Depending on your profession and position you will be required to report to earthy authorities if you overhear a minor talk about sexual abuse for example. where does it end? if you have personal knowledge of someone else's sin in your own church, are you required to tell your pastor? -some people do, others don't.
currently i'm conflicted, can't make up my mind if i should pressure a couple people to pressure a third person into taking a dna test to see if her mom lied to her when she told her "your dad died before you were born".... its my own flesh that wants to know if she is my half sister.. but nothing good would come of finding out for sure.
Mark 3:34 And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! 35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.
As far as relations down here in light of eternity, it doesn't really matter. You can love her and treat her as a sister in Christ if she is a believer in Jesus Christ.
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Knowledge to know good from evil is not the sin. The sin Adam and Eve committed was transgressing the command of God, not to eat of that tree.
Genesis 2:17
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
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We are delivered from the knowledge of good and evil (moral law) as follows:
Romans7:6:"But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held".
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So have you confessed the sin of choosing the forbidden knowledge of good and evil?
You were born without the knowledge of good and evil.
... gets tricky, doesn't it
let us ask the Lord to undertake for you in this situation?
Bless you and yours ....><>
Greetings,
can you please share some Scripture to back this statement up?
Only Scripture would be best, please.
Bless you ....><>
can you please share some Scripture to back this statement up?
Only Scripture would be best, please.
Bless you ....><>
Scripture says otherwise.
Psalm 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
Psalm 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.
We were not born without the knowledge of good and evil. We inherited that sin.
That does not negate the same necessity of needing Jesus Christ as our Saviour to save us from our sins as well as from the second death so we can live with God and all that is good forever.
Once we are saved by believing in Jesus Christ for the remission of sins that are past including the one you are talking about, and have the gift of the Holy Ghost at our born again of the Spirit moment of our salvation, we move on to perfection by living a life of repentance by looking to the author & finisher of our faith to help us lay aside every weight & sin daily in living that reconciled relationship with God through Jesus Christ.
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It is written that anything that is not of faith is sin, but it is also written that devils believe and tremble. I believe in this case the sin was transgressing the command of God as defined here in
1 John 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Since there are many laws, what is that specific sin that transgressed what specific law?
Let us say for example how some of our brethren guilt trip fellow brethren for not keeping the sabbath day & vise versa how some will guilt trip believers for not worshiping on Sunday.
We all are at different growth in our walk with the Lord but scripturally, the brethren that guilt trip that brother into not worshiping on Sunday but Saturday the sabbath, should be corrected for doing that & vise versa.
Matthew 12:1At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat. 2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day. 3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him; 4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests? 5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless? 6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple. 7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless. 8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
The Pharisees were seeking to condemn His disciples for working on the sabbath day in picking ears of corn to eat. Jesus defended His disciples by pointing out 2 events in scripture where the sabbath was profaned but the saints were guiltless because they were in the Temple when it was done. Then Jesus pointed out that One greater than the Temple was here for why His disciples were guiltless, thus inferring Himself.
The Jews used to keep the ten commandments as a means to get saved and have eternal life, which they could not do for why Jesus had to come, but no more since we believe in the Lord Jesus Christ & are saved.
Here is the reality of why we are guiltless for profaning the sabbath; Jesus Christ is in us and with us always for why we are guiltless for profaning the sabbath.
1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
That is why Jesus is Lord over the sabbath and not sabbath lord over Jesus.
Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
This is why Paul had written that it does not matter which day you honor the Lord on, but do not judge others for honoring one day & not the other for Jesus Christ in us is able to make us stand.
Romans 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. 5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. 7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. 8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's. 9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. 10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. 11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. 12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. 13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
They really should not have guilt trip any brother in Christ like that, nor vise versa but you can share this reproof with others that are in error like them in the hopes that the Lord will lead them to discern and prove other things they teach by the scripture too & leave the church if they do not repent.
May God bless you & keep you. May He shine his face upon you and give you His peace.
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There is One lawgiver and that is God. When God said “thou shalt not” to Adam and Eve, that was the commandment from the One lawgiver. And when they transgressed the commandment of God, they also transgressed the law of God, as God’s commandments are the law.
It is written that love fulfills the law, but God also said in both the Old and New testaments that if you truly love God and Jesus you will keep His commandments. So Adam and Eve transgressed also the first and greatest commandment, which is to love the Lord thy God.
As far as worship goes, Jesus said the true worshippers of God will worship Him in Spirit and in Truth. So it is not about your location on a certain day of the week, but more about the sincerity of the heart and doing Gods will.
But yes, to judge your brother and to speak evil of your brother also transgresses the law of God. If we speak evil of our brethren, do we truly love our brethren? To love our brethren is also a command from God.
James 4:11-12
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11 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?
And God's will is to come to God the father by the only way provided and that is the Son John 14:6 Climbing up any other way is a work of iniquity and a thief John 10:1 So the only way to honor the father as per the standard of judgment raised is to honor the Son in worship so as to honor the Father;
John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
Like the devil that would apply the modified Nicene creed of 381 A.D. as did God really say that to doubt His words so that they believe it is okay to make the Holy Spirit, Whom is God and One of the 3 Witnesses of the Godhead as Another way to approach God the Father by thus "broadening the way" in the worship place for spirits of the antichrist to come in and seduce believers into chasing after them to receive after a sign, thinking they are the Holy Spirit.
Whereas the real indwelling holy Ghost dwells in us to testify of the Son thru us ( John 15:26-27 ) , to glorify the Son ( John 1:14 ) and that has to include worship and not just ministry for why there are no scripture teaching the practice of worshiping the holy Spirit with the Father & the Son per the Nicene creed of 381 A.D. but there are scripture specifying how the father wants us to approach him by and how to specifically honor Him by and that is by the only way of the Son. So the ecumenical Nicene creed of 381 A.D. gathered grapes of thorns and figs of thistles by broadening the way in the worship place per Matthew 7:13-16 KJV for why many miraculous signs and wonders come about per Matthew 7:21-23 KJV but you can know that God is not the author of it when you see believers lose self control and fall backwards or do others things of confusion like believing God's gift of tongues which is for speaking unto the people 1 Corinthians 14:20-21 KJV, can also be turned around for speaking back unto God in confusion because there is no interpretation for it, for why they assume falsely that it is for private use when it is not of Him at all. Isaiah 8:19 & 1 Timothy 4:1 KJV Not knowing what is said for all the supposed benefits of tongues for private use is confusion for why God is not the author of that kind of tongue; 1 Corinthians 14:32-33 KJV
So the only ay to avoid he spirits of the antichrist that would take our eyes off of the Son in worship is not to leave a door wide open for them t come in & do their thing but to narrow the way back to the straight gate; otherwise, believers in these matter days are at risk of being left behind ( Luke 13:24-30 KJV ) as the Lord has already given this judgment for going astray for having known the utter depths of Satan for which they speak in verse 24 of Revelation 2:18-25 KJV
I believe the type of judging your brother in this message is about condemning your brother as if he is not saved or not a Christian, but we are to judge as in correct a brother when they go astray and the church is to excommunicate the brother if unrepentant before he whole congregation in affirming his correction & call to repent so that by excommunication, God may lead them to repentance.
Matthew 18:10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven. 11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost. 12 How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray? 13 And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray. 14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.
15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. 16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
John 7:7 The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil...... 24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
Ephesians 5:10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord. 11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
Those excommunicated by the Lord when the Bridegroom comes are still saved, but they missed out in being partakers of the first fruit of the resurrection in being received by the Bridegroom as vessels unto honor in His House to attend the Marriage Supper in Heaven held in His honor for why every saint there will be eating in sincerity and in truth with no malice nor wickedness at that table. 1 Corinthians 5:4-11 KJV
These be where the vessels of dishonor comes from that are still in His House that shall be resurrected after he great tribulation as vessels of wood & earth, a glorified terrestrial state, to serve the King of kings on earth in raising up the generations following them in that 1000 year reign of Christ on earth. Though they be left behind for not being ready as fund abiding in Him & His words as His disciples, they will get stripes per the knowledge they had for not being ready as they are still His servants Luke 12:40-49 KJV just as the Father "scourges" hints stripes given to every child receives Hebrews 12:3-11 KJV for they will not be doing those iniquity or iniquities any more after they are resurrected after the great tribulation.
That is why we are not to judge any brother as if he is not a brother but only to judge as in correct trespasses by the scripture and to call them to turn to the Lord for help to discern the lies as well as to depart from iniquities instead.
If you ever wondered about stewardship and studying in His words for more talents for you to share with others, this may be a time for the Lord to provide you with such a study; unless you know of this truth already.
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Let me give you a little friendly advice when posting comments, especially to me. Try to stay on the topic of the thread, and try to make your point in as few words as possible. I believe you mean well, but you have gone off topic and your comments are all over the place.And God's will is to come to God the father by the only way provided and that is the Son John 14:6 Climbing up any other way is a work of iniquity and a thief John 10:1 So the only way to honor the father as per the standard of judgment raised is to honor the Son in worship so as to honor the Father;
John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
Like the devil that would apply the modified Nicene creed of 381 A.D. as did God really say that to doubt His words so that they believe it is okay to make the Holy Spirit, Whom is God and One of the 3 Witnesses of the Godhead as Another way to approach God the Father by thus "broadening the way" in the worship place for spirits of the antichrist to come in and seduce believers into chasing after them to receive after a sign, thinking they are the Holy Spirit.
Whereas the real indwelling holy Ghost dwells in us to testify of the Son thru us ( John 15:26-27 ) , to glorify the Son ( John 1:14 ) and that has to include worship and not just ministry for why there are no scripture teaching the practice of worshiping the holy Spirit with the Father & the Son per the Nicene creed of 381 A.D. but there are scripture specifying how the father wants us to approach him by and how to specifically honor Him by and that is by the only way of the Son. So the ecumenical Nicene creed of 381 A.D. gathered grapes of thorns and figs of thistles by broadening the way in the worship place per Matthew 7:13-16 KJV for why many miraculous signs and wonders come about per Matthew 7:21-23 KJV but you can know that God is not the author of it when you see believers lose self control and fall backwards or do others things of confusion like believing God's gift of tongues which is for speaking unto the people 1 Corinthians 14:20-21 KJV, can also be turned around for speaking back unto God in confusion because there is no interpretation for it, for why they assume falsely that it is for private use when it is not of Him at all. Isaiah 8:19 & 1 Timothy 4:1 KJV Not knowing what is said for all the supposed benefits of tongues for private use is confusion for why God is not the author of that kind of tongue; 1 Corinthians 14:32-33 KJV
So the only ay to avoid he spirits of the antichrist that would take our eyes off of the Son in worship is not to leave a door wide open for them t come in & do their thing but to narrow the way back to the straight gate; otherwise, believers in these matter days are at risk of being left behind ( Luke 13:24-30 KJV ) as the Lord has already given this judgment for going astray for having known the utter depths of Satan for which they speak in verse 24 of Revelation 2:18-25 KJV
I believe the type of judging your brother in this message is about condemning your brother as if he is not saved or not a Christian, but we are to judge as in correct a brother when they go astray and the church is to excommunicate the brother if unrepentant before he whole congregation in affirming his correction & call to repent so that by excommunication, God may lead them to repentance.
Matthew 18:10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven. 11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost. 12 How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray? 13 And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray. 14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.
15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. 16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
John 7:7 The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil...... 24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
Ephesians 5:10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord. 11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
Those excommunicated by the Lord when the Bridegroom comes are still saved, but they missed out in being partakers of the first fruit of the resurrection in being received by the Bridegroom as vessels unto honor in His House to attend the Marriage Supper in Heaven held in His honor for why every saint there will be eating in sincerity and in truth with no malice nor wickedness at that table. 1 Corinthians 5:4-11 KJV
These be where the vessels of dishonor comes from that are still in His House that shall be resurrected after he great tribulation as vessels of wood & earth, a glorified terrestrial state, to serve the King of kings on earth in raising up the generations following them in that 1000 year reign of Christ on earth. Though they be left behind for not being ready as fund abiding in Him & His words as His disciples, they will get stripes per the knowledge they had for not being ready as they are still His servants Luke 12:40-49 KJV just as the Father "scourges" hints stripes given to every child receives Hebrews 12:3-11 KJV for they will not be doing those iniquity or iniquities any more after they are resurrected after the great tribulation.
That is why we are not to judge any brother as if he is not a brother but only to judge as in correct trespasses by the scripture and to call them to turn to the Lord for help to discern the lies as well as to depart from iniquities instead.
If you ever wondered about stewardship and studying in His words for more talents for you to share with others, this may be a time for the Lord to provide you with such a study; unless you know of this truth already.
I am typing on a phone and there no way I am going to respond to everything you just posted above. If you want to talk about other topics just start another thread.
Again, it is just some friendly advice. Peace and Godbless
Well you touched on doing God's will and not judging others to wit I had responded to. Your screen name being a Steward, I would have thought you would appreciate one steward sharing the talents with another, & so yes, I meant well.
Well, yeah, okay since you are being in here by your phone, I can understand. Only short posts to you. I'll leave it to the Lord if you want further inquiry or clarification or scriptural references for however my post may seem too short for you.
May God bless you, brother.
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I don’t mind you sharing but try to stay on the topic of the OP. The Thread was about the original sin of Adam and Eve. But if you look back at your posts#15 and 17 to me you will see you covered the Sabbath, the Ten Commandments, the body is a temple, Christ in us, judging others. And in #17 you covered Gods will, honoring the Son, the Nicene creed, worshipping the Holy Spirit, self control, fake tongues, the antichrist, Matthew 18,Eph 5, then to being excommunicated, and back to judging again.
Am I supposed to respond to all that? Lol. No hard feelings bro, just try to stay on point. Peace
