When did the Norse name "Hell" first show up in the Bible?

[Alley Oop]

For those here that are astute, you might know by now that the name "Hell" (Hel) comes from Norse Mythology. The name "Hell" is not a Greek or Hebrew or Aramaic word - it's Old English or Old Norse.
It appears the name "Hel" as 'Helle' first showed up in the 725 A.D version of the Anglo Saxon Bible.
Any contradicting sources?

 

[Waggles]

So what.
What are the original words in Hebrew and Greek describing and teaching us??
"Sheol" in Hebrew and "Hades" in Greek.

 

[B-A-C]

None of the words in our English Bible were originally in Hebrew or Greek.

But no matter what word you use for it. The idea of a place fiery torment is certainly in the BIble.
Hades is a temporary place. The Lake of Fire is a permanent place. Hell itself is eventually cast into the Lake of Fire.

ᾅδης
hadēs
hah'-dace
From G1 (as a negative particle) and G1492; properly unseen, that is, “Hades” or the place (state) of departed souls: - grave, hell.
Total KJV occurrences: 11

geenna
gheh'-en-nah
Of Hebrew origin ([H1516] and [H2011]); valley of (the son of) Hinnom; gehenna (or Ge-Hinnom), a valley of Jerusalem, used (figuratively) as a name for the place (or state) of everlasting punishment: - hell.
Total KJV occurrences: 12

ταρταρόω
tartaroō
tar-tar-o'-o
From Τάρταρος Tartaros̄ (the deepest abyss of Hades); to incarcerate in eternal torment: - cast down to hell.
Total KJV occurrences: 1

Rev 20:14; Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.

 

[B-A-C]

"Sheol" in Hebrew and "Hades" in Greek.

Sheol is not the same as Hades.
Sheol contained Hades, as well as Abraham Bosom/Paradise.

 

[Waggles]

Job 7:8 The eye of him who sees me will behold me no more; while your eyes are on me, I shall be gone.
9 As the cloud fades and vanishes, so he who goes down to Sheol does not come up;
10 he returns no more to his house, nor does his place know him anymore.

Psalm 49:14 Like sheep they are appointed for Sheol; death shall be their shepherd, and the upright shall rule over them in the morning. Their form shall be consumed in Sheol, with no place to dwell.
15 But God will ransom my soul from the power of Sheol, for he will receive me. Selah

 

[Waggles]

Sheol is not the same as Hades.
Sheol contained Hades, as well as Abraham Bosom/Paradise.

Hmmm not sure about that.

 

[B-A-C]

Hmmm not sure about that.

Before I post scriptures. Where did everyone in the OT go? Good or bad?
Where did Jesus rescue the captives from in the NT?

Psa 68:18; Isa 49:24-25; Eph 4:8; Luke 16:23;

If Sheol is only Hades, where was Lazarus?

 

[Waggles]

where was Lazarus

In a parable to the Jewish pharisees and scribes.

 

[Butch5]

So what.
What are the original words in Hebrew and Greek describing and teaching us??
"Sheol" in Hebrew and "Hades" in Greek.

Sheol and Hades are the grave. Gehenna or the Valley of Hinnom is a valley outside of Jerusalem, and Tartarus is a pit reserved for angels

 

[Alley Oop]

None of the words in our English Bible were originally in Hebrew or Greek.

But no matter what word you use for it. The idea of a place fiery torment is certainly in the BIble.
Hades is a temporary place. The Lake of Fire is a permanent place. Hell itself is eventually cast into the Lake of Fire.

ᾅδης
hadēs
hah'-dace
From G1 (as a negative particle) and G1492; properly unseen, that is, “Hades” or the place (state) of departed souls: - grave, hell.
Total KJV occurrences: 11

geenna
gheh'-en-nah
Of Hebrew origin ([H1516] and [H2011]); valley of (the son of) Hinnom; gehenna (or Ge-Hinnom), a valley of Jerusalem, used (figuratively) as a name for the place (or state) of everlasting punishment: - hell.
Total KJV occurrences: 12

ταρταρόω
tartaroō
tar-tar-o'-o
From Τάρταρος Tartaros̄ (the deepest abyss of Hades); to incarcerate in eternal torment: - cast down to hell.
Total KJV occurrences: 1

Rev 20:14; Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.

David and Jonah did not self-combust when they were in sheol.

 

[B-A-C]

In a parable to the Jewish pharisees and scribes.

There is no evidence it was a parable, but even if it was... does Jesus's parables disagree with the reality?

 

[B-A-C]

David and Jonah did not self-combust when they were in sheol.

My point exactly. Sheol is not Hades.

 

[Waggles]

does Jesus's parables disagree with the reality?

what reality??

Luke 16:14 The Pharisees, who were lovers of money, heard all these things, and they ridiculed him.
15 And he said to them, “You are those who justify yourselves before men, but God knows your hearts. For what is exalted among men is an abomination in the sight of God.
19 “There was a rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and who feasted sumptuously every day.
20 And at his gate was laid a poor man named Lazarus, covered with sores,
22 The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried,
23 and in Hades , being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side.

When people die they are not carried off by the angels to Heaven, nor are people in torment when in the grave.
Scripture teaches us that in the grave there is no memory or thoughts, no consciousness at all for the body and mind perishes.
Scripture also teaches us that everybody who dies [Ezekiel and Enoch exempted] goes to the grave: even Jesus went to the grave.
Psalm 6:5 For in death there is no remembrance of you; in Sheol who will give you praise?
Psalm 30:9 “What profit is there in my death, if I go down to the pit? Will the dust praise you? Will it tell of your faithfulness?

This is a parable - a teaching to the pharisees as to their moral failures and to their future judgement.
Luke 16:31 [Jesus] said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be convinced if someone should rise from the dead.’”

 

[Butch5]

Sheol is not the same as Hades.
Sheol contained Hades, as well as Abraham Bosom/Paradise.

Where do we find a garden in the grave in Scripture?

There is no evidence it was a parable, but even if it was... does Jesus's parables disagree with the reality?

There is no evidence it was a parable, but even if it was... does Jesus's parables disagree with the reality?

Dead people are speaking, isn't that evidence?

 

[Butch5]

Before I post scriptures. Where did everyone in the OT go? Good or bad?
Where did Jesus rescue the captives from in the NT?

Psa 68:18; Isa 49:24-25; Eph 4:8; Luke 16:23;

If Sheol is only Hades, where was Lazarus?

They went to the grave where everyone goes

 

[Waggles]

1Peter 3:18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit,
19 in which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison,
20 because they formerly did not obey, when God's patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water.

Jesus went to Tartarus to speak to the imprisoned fallen angels that transgressed their boundaries and took to themselves the daughters of men.
Here He would have explained what He had accomplished and what he would do with His resurrection and ascension to heaven.
They were completely defeated. Now human beings as Spirit-filled disciples would have power over them and be overcomers.

1Cor 2:8 which none of the rulers of this age hath known: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory:

Ephesians 3:9 and to bring to light what is the dispensation of the mystery hid for the ages in God who created all things; in order
10 that now unto the principalities and the powers in the heavenlies be made known through the church the manifold wisdom of God,
11 according to a plan of the ages which he made in the Christ, Jesus our Lord:

Ephesians 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12 For our wrestling is not against blood and flesh, but against the principalities, against the authorities, against the world-rulers of this darkness, against the spirituals of the wickedness in the heavenlies.

 

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For those here that are astute, you might know by now that the name "Hell" (Hel) comes from Norse Mythology. The name "Hell" is not a Greek or Hebrew or Aramaic word - it's Old English or Old Norse.
It appears the name "Hel" as 'Helle' first showed up in the 725 A.D version of the Anglo Saxon Bible.
Any contradicting sources?

'They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God;
they have provoked me to anger with their vanities:
and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people;
I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.
For a fire is kindled in mine anger,
and shall burn unto the lowest hell, (grave)
and shall consume the earth with her increase,
and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.'
(Deut 32:21-22)

Hello @Alley Oop,

Hell is a middle English word, having the meaning 'to hide away', and is used for 'the place of the dead,' or 'the grave. It is not a place of eternal conscious punishment. 'Gehenna' G1067, (used by our Lord), is the only word, translated 'Hell' which has association with fire, referring to the fires of destruction at the end of the age, at a time of judgment. Translated 'Hell' because also 'a place of the dead', though not the grave.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Sheol: 1st occurrence:- Genesis 37: 35 (Hades G86 - i.e., the grave) - Translated:- Hell, Pit, Grave. - H7585

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

For those here that are astute, you might know by now that the name "Hell" (Hel) comes from Norse Mythology. The name "Hell" is not a Greek or Hebrew or Aramaic word - it's Old English or Old Norse.
It appears the name "Hel" as 'Helle' first showed up in the 725 A.D version of the Anglo Saxon Bible.
Any contradicting sources?

Ya...The protogermanic word was also used in merry ol' England and was probably used in the translating of the Bible...as a word that means the same as Sheol only the old English translators didn't know how to spell sheol...or hades either so they said "What the hell. We'll just use a Germanic word.

 

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Ya...The protogermanic word was also used in merry ol' England and was probably used in the translating of the Bible...as a word that means the same as Sheol only the old English translators didn't know how to spell sheol...or hades either so they said "What the hell. We'll just use a Germanic word.

Hello @Admon Mikhae'el,

The translators chose the best word at their disposal to translate Sheol, Hades and Gehenna, and that was the middle English word 'hell', which means 'to hide away': which best described the grave, or the place of the dead. For although Gehenna is the only one of those words that refers to fire, it is nevertheless the place where the dead are deposited in the judgment of the end of the age, so it too, is the place of the dead. It is man which has corrupted it by misuse.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Alley Oop]

Hello @Admon Mikhae'el,

The translators chose the best word at their disposal to translate Sheol, Hades and Gehenna, and that was the middle English word 'hell', which means 'to hide away': which best described the grave, or the place of the dead. For although Gehenna is the only one of those words that refers to fire, it is nevertheless the place where the dead are deposited in the judgment of the end of the age, so it too, is the place of the dead. It is man which has corrupted it by misuse.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

if you think hades and gehenna are the same thing, you are goofier than I originally construed.
fun to watch 'Hellsters' ignore David and Jonah being in 'Sheol' (Hell), then talking about it afterwards.
That's Entertainment!