When Will God Judge His House First?

[Curtis]

“Eyes have Not Seen nor Ears Heard…ff.”

1Co 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
1Co 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

 

[Bill]

will be caught up
ἁρπαγησόμεθα (harpagēsometha)
Verb - Future Indicative Passive - 1st Person Plural
Strong's 726: To seize, snatch, obtain by robbery. From a derivative of haireomai; to seize.

( i am rolling my eyes ) lol . You are right , it is Caught up

 

[PloughBoy]

Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

Who are the, "ye are come" ? Do they have supernatural bodies?

“You have come to.”

Meaning now you have a connection [THE Advocate] to heaven where GOD is And The Angels, The Heavenly Jerusalem is “New Jerusalem” that will be coming down out of the Sky from Heaven for The 1000 year Reign and All ETERNITY reign.

Jesus said I am going away to prepare a Place for you and to Send The Other ADVOCATE back, That place is The New Jerusalem being prepared in Heaven.
The Other Advocate is “The PARAKLETOS”.

That Connect us.

 

[Curtis]

“You have come to.”

What happens to a person who becomes a new creation?

Col 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

The Kingdom of his dear Son is on mount Zion the city of the living God.

 

[PloughBoy]

I have many many bible translations and none of them even hint at the fact you "have to come". They all say "you have come"

Ok every body is going there own way any how, you go that way and I will go this way!

My wife go one way, my kids. Go their way And I go my Way. And I ain’t change for over 40 years!

I have watch “Churches” Pastors and man and women , kids, teens, Crash and burn! Both The Small and Mega.
From Baptist to Methodist, Pentecostals and all in between. With all their beliefs doctrines They held,
I just go sit in my Corner and Keep on Keeping on Watch The Skies,

And learn don’t pay attention to a word they say!

It taught me about “FATHER TIME”.

Time will Tell and Error begets errors.

And when The damage is finally done. forgive me is not going to cut it!

A little leaven will spoil The Whole Lump”. I have watch them come and go, and watch them take their last Breath. And heard Their last words.

Today it may look minor. but Tomorrow is a different matter!


“it is the little foxes that spoils the vines”!


Go ahead think you are in heaven,

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Caught up
harpázō; fut. harpásō, aor. pass. hērpásthēn, 2d aor. pass. hērpágēn. To seize upon, spoil, snatch away.

Air
aḗr; gen. aéros, masc. noun from áō (n.f.), to blow. Air, the celestial air surrounding the earth. The Greeks believed it to be the substance that filled the space between the earth and moon.

There is no such a thing as no rapture.

That rapture is at the second coming after the first resurrection. I never said there’s “no rapture”. The heresy from false prophets is this teaching of “secret rapture” through “sudden disappearance”. That’s a placebo for cowards.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

It is customary for the Bridegroom to get the house ready to receive the bride. Jesus had mentioned this to His disciples for why He was leaving to prepare a place for those that are thus His disciples, the ready abiding bride of Christ.

But the bride will be there at the chuppah waiting for the groom to return, she’s certainly not in danger of being kicked out or shut out like the guest or the bridemaids. They’re not in the same category, there’s just no comparison.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

No. North America and the entire western hemisphere will be burned up as one third of the earth shall be burned up per Revelation 8:7 per the fiery calamity that is coming on the earth per verse 49 of Luke 12:40-49 & 2 Peter 3:3-13 If you noticed that Genesis testified to one land mass ( Pangaea ) where as the water was gathered in one place ( the Pacific Basin ), Genesis 1:9-10 and that huge one land mass was divided during the days of Peleg per Genesis 10:25, looking at the globe, one can see why He had separated the one land mass in that fashion of the western hemisphere being one third of the earth as distant from the rest of the 2.3rds remaining land mass of the world for the coming great tribulation

Man, that’s a typical evolutionary view. You’re duped. Has it ever crossed your mind that lands are one piece with the ocean floor? Sure, there’re a lot of bumps and cracks at the boundaries where tectonic plates meet one another, that’s seismic movement, but these plates don’t float across half the earth. If this “pangaea” really existed on one side of the earth, then what happened to the ocean floor on the other side of the earth? How did that ocean shrink so much to make room for all these continents to drift in?

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Acts 1:9-11

Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.”

 

[GodB4Us]

But the bride will be there at the chuppah waiting for the groom to return, she’s certainly not in danger of being kicked out or shut out like the guest or the bridemaids. They’re not in the same category, there’s just no comparison.

Since the warning is given to saved believers, as His servants that get cut off to be with unbelievers, and on top of that, get stripes per the measure they had for not being ready, I would rethink that. Luke 12:40-49

Jesus did say to those that are His disciples that when they stop abiding in Him and even by resisting the pruning to bear more fruit, they are at risk of being cut off and cast into that fire to be burned in John 15:1-8

Even the warning to one of His churches in Revelation spoke of the consequences of being cast into the bed of the great tribulation to be killed with death in Revelation 2:18-25 is why Paul warned us in 1 Corinthians 9:24-27

So I hope you are motivated to hope in Christ Jesus as your personal Good Shepherd & Friend in helping you to not only be ready to go as found abiding in Him, but helping you to be willing to go to escape the great tribulation Luke 21:33-36

 

[GodB4Us]

Man, that’s a typical evolutionary view. You’re duped. Has it ever crossed your mind that lands are one piece with the ocean floor? Sure, there’re a lot of bumps and cracks at the boundaries where tectonic plates meet one another, that’s seismic movement, but these plates don’t float across half the earth. If this “pangaea” really existed on one side of the earth, then what happened to the ocean floor on the other side of the earth? How did that ocean shrink so much to make room for all these continents to drift in?

Who is not to say that Pangaea idea came from the Bible as described on the third day when the land appeared and the waters were all in one place ( The ring of fire of that Pacific Ocean ) as opposed to now? Genesis 1:9-10 I believe the area that is the Atlantic Ocean dropped in dividing the one land mass there in the days of Peleg Genesis 10:25, but more land mass had to have dropped in how the seas are no longer in one place for the way it is now.

Those duped are the ones that believe the time table of the evolution theory rather than the genealogy and the age given for said individuals in that genealogy in the Bible of how old the earth approximately is as about 6,000 years old.

 

[GodB4Us]

Acts 1:9-11

Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.”

Acts 1:9-11 can be describing and applied to the same event of the rapture when those ready will meet Him in the air with the resurrection of the O.T. saint just as Acts 1:9-11 can be applied at His coming as the King of kings when those saints left behind that were not resurrected at the rapture event, shall be resurrected after the great tribulation for when the world's armies has been defeated and Satan is in the pit for a thousand years.

So the event below is not the event of His coming when He is already on earth as the triumphant King of kings for when they that be Christ's are resurrected as that is the order of the resurrection of saints that Paul was speaking about..

1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

This is why Jesus is warning saved believers and churches to be ready as His disciples in running that race or else.

1 Corinthians 9:24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.
25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.
26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:
27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Those who run that race to obtain salvation are denying Him as their Saviour that they are saved for simply believing in Him, but when they run that race as saved believers looking to the author & finisher of their faith to help them lay aside every weight & sin daily in moving unto perfection, walking in the light in fellowship with the Father & the Son, then they are abiding in Him as His disciples in bearing fruit so that their joy may be full when the Bridegroom comes at the rapture event.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Who is not to say that Pangaea idea came from the Bible as described on the third day when the land appeared and the waters were all in one place ( The ring of fire of that Pacific Ocean ) as opposed to now? Genesis 1:9-10 I believe the area that is the Atlantic Ocean dropped in dividing the one land mass there in the days of Peleg Genesis 10:25, but more land mass had to have dropped in how the seas are no longer in one place for the way it is now.

Those duped are the ones that believe the time table of the evolution theory rather than the genealogy and the age given for said individuals in that genealogy in the Bible of how old the earth approximately is as about 6,000 years old.

Yes, the earth is only about 6000 years old corresponding to the 6 days of creation, that's our common ground, I definitely hold the same view with you on that; however, Gen. 10 is known as the table of 70 nations, Peleg was Abraham's ancestor, and "earth was divided" is referring to the Tower of Babel, God confused their language and scattered these 70 nations to every corner of the earth. That has nothing to do with the landmass.

 

[GodB4Us]

But the bride will be there at the chuppah waiting for the groom to return, she’s certainly not in danger of being kicked out or shut out like the guest or the bridemaids. They’re not in the same category, there’s just no comparison.

It is important to see oneself as saved because when saved believers seek justification or even salvation by keeping the sabbath, that would not be the same as running that race as saved believers.

Colossians 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Romans 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.

Romans 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

So Paul knew what he was writing about how the Lord justifies us by His righteousness apart from the law when the above aligns with the words of the Lord below.

Matthew 12:1At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat.
2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.
3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;
4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

When He helps you to see that verse 6 is how His disciples were guiltless because He was with them, that is how He is to us now that we are saved as our bodies are the temples of the Holy Spirit.

1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

Mark 2:23 And it came to pass, that he went through the corn fields on the sabbath day; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck the ears of corn.
24 And the Pharisees said unto him, Behold, why do they on the sabbath day that which is not lawful?
25 And he said unto them, Have ye never read what David did, when he had need, and was an hungred, he, and they that were with him?
26 How he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and did eat the shewbread, which is not lawful to eat but for the priests, and gave also to them which were with him?
27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Jesus is Lord of the sabbath and not the sabbath lord over Jesus since the sabbath was made for man and not man for the sabbath.

May He pardon me for highlighting the portions of scripture since it is on Him to cause the increase especially when He did succeed in drawing your attention to them by enabling you to see the truth in His words.

 

[GodB4Us]

Yes, the earth is only about 6000 years old corresponding to the 6 days of creation, that's our common ground, I definitely hold the same view with you on that; however, Gen. 10 is known as the table of 70 nations, Peleg was Abraham's ancestor, and "earth was divided" is referring to the Tower of Babel, God confused their language and scattered these 70 nations to every corner of the earth. That has nothing to do with the landmass.

Well I can definitely see your point of view except for how the earth was in Genesis 1:9-10.

One could say that the one land mass dropped at various places at the time of the flood when all those asteroids impacts on the moon and earth had occurred that caused the global flood, but that would not explain the people being able to be scattered all over the world as they are now per their different languages for why I suspect that the division of the land mass and the division of the people by language had to be different events after the flood. Granted, the genealogy regarding Peleg could have placed his days when the earth was divided at the time of the fall of Babel, but I would think He would be clear about that division being of the people rather than by the earth in His words.

I see the division of the land mass as occurring after the global flood when the asteroids impact forced the waters from the deep that has been misting the earth to the surface to add to the deluge, with the moon starting to move away from the earth due to asteroid impacts also, causing the mist that was watering the whole earth to rise up and form rain clouds for the first time. I had suspected that over time after the flood, where the waters used to be beneath the earth in the deep it was forced from, thus the continual weight of the land mass over that vast empty deep where the waters once were, caused a division in the one land mass when the earth finally collapsed in their respected areas.

Science and history has placed a great tsunamis in wiping out the civilization of the Sahara as after the flood for why it is a growing desert it is today. Looking at the gobal map where Latin America is at its thinnest, it seems to me that when the area of the Gulf of Mexico and the Atlantic Ocean had dropped, that the onslaught of water from the Pacific basin i.e. the ring of fire area, rushed over and the deluge filled the areas as well as having its tsunamis washed up on the shores and continent of the Sahara, dragging back the rich top soil of the Sahara back into what is now the Atlantic Ocean.

Not sure if Atlantis had dropped at that same time or later on historically since there are minute records of its existence, just that I have not align the two to see if it had happened at the same time or not. It would also explain why the UK was in the dark ages being suddenly cut off from the rest of Europe and the world.

At any rate, you have given me pause and so now I am not sure when the one land mass was divided that the seas were no longer in one place but since we all prophesy in part and know in part, we shall know for sure what had happened with the earth over time when we see Him face to face.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Acts 1:9-11 can be describing and applied to the same event of the rapture when those ready will meet Him in the air with the resurrection of the O.T. saint just as Acts 1:9-11 can be applied at His coming as the King of kings when those saints left behind that were not resurrected at the rapture event, shall be resurrected after the great tribulation for when the world's armies has been defeated and Satan is in the pit for a thousand years.

So the event below is not the event of His coming when He is already on earth as the triumphant King of kings for when they that be Christ's are resurrected as that is the order of the resurrection of saints that Paul was speaking about..

There's only one second coming event, per Jesus's own word there will be a loud trumpet (Matt. 24:31), which is confirmed by Paul in his teaching, and the timing is clear - right after the great tribulation. Whatever your definition is for rapture, the mass resurrection certainly precedes that, and notice that this mass resurrection is NOT described in Rev. 20:1-5, because by then the saints are ALREADY reigning with Christ, the timing for the mass resurrection or the first resurrection is in Rev. 19:11-21 about Christ's glorious return. This is very important, because in between is the judgement of nations, aka judgement of sheep and goats. Matt. 24:29-31, Acts 1:9-11 and 1 Thess. 4:16-17 are all describing the same event, you think they are different because you've taken a reductionist approach instead of letting the Bible interpret itself.

 

[Bill]

Since the warning is given to saved believers, as His servants that get cut off to be with unbelievers, and on top of that, get stripes per the measure they had for not being ready, I would rethink that. Luke 12:40-49

Jesus did say to those that are His disciples that when they stop abiding in Him and even by resisting the pruning to bear more fruit, they are at risk of being cut off and cast into that fire to be burned in John 15:1-8

Even the warning to one of His churches in Revelation spoke of the consequences of being cast into the bed of the great tribulation to be killed with death in Revelation 2:18-25 is why Paul warned us in 1 Corinthians 9:24-27

So I hope you are motivated to hope in Christ Jesus as your personal Good Shepherd & Friend in helping you to not only be ready to go as found abiding in Him, but helping you to be willing to go to escape the great tribulation Luke 21:33-36

If by the warning you are talking about the great day of the Lord that is for everyone not just believers

 

[Bill]

There's only one second coming event, per Jesus's own word there will be a loud trumpet (Matt. 24:31), which is confirmed by Paul in his teaching, and the timing is clear - right after the great tribulation. Whatever your definition is for rapture, the mass resurrection certainly precedes that, and notice that this mass resurrection is NOT described in Rev. 20:1-5, because by then the saints are ALREADY reigning with Christ, the timing for the mass resurrection or the first resurrection is in Rev. 19:11-21 about Christ's glorious return. This is very important, because in between is the judgement of nations, aka judgement of sheep and goats. Matt. 24:29-31, Acts 1:9-11 and 1 Thess. 4:16-17 are all describing the same event, you think they are different because you've taken a reductionist approach instead of letting the Bible interpret itself.

I've never seen a Bible interpreted itself. All the Bible can do is have the words out there and we are the ones who interpret it. The understanding of what we interpret comes from the Holy Spirit if we allow the Holy Spirit to do that because there are some people that do not obviously

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Well I can definitely see your point of view except for how the earth was in Genesis 1:9-10.

In Gen 1:9-10 the water just receded, before that it was all water (Gen. 1:2), then the land beneath emerged, there was nothing remotely related to a "division".

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

I've never seen a Bible interpreted itself. All the Bible can do is have the words out there and we are the ones who interpret it. The understanding of what we interpret comes from the Holy Spirit if we allow the Holy Spirit to do that because there are some people that do not obviously

The word of God IS the Spirit! (Eph. 6:17, Heb. 4:12) What I was saying is Sola Scriptura, in Scripture alone, which is one of the five Solas. This is also known as exegesis. If you think you are smart and go interpret it by yourself, then that's just your own opinion. Isn't it written that we should not lean on our own understanding?