Where are the Boldness of The “John the Baptist”, “the Hussites”, the John Knox” the Martin Luthers, the “George Whitfields”, the “Jonathan Edwards”.

[PloughBoy]

I see plainly now, why we should honor and except “LGBTQ” as a way of showing our love to one another. And it makes plenty of sense.

I finally came to this conclusion by paying attention to the church and started to listening to the church, and watching them, in action. I see more and more of them finally coming around. I notice the nice new translations of the Bible, more loving and soft words, not to offend no one a more sweet and lovely tone. The word changes are very nice! Am I the only one that have notice this, because those older translation are to harsh and hard to read. Most people complain you cannot understand them. Now the church knows best, let us summit to our churches and leadership.

American Standard Version
for God is not a God of confusion, but of peace. As in all the churches of the saints,
Notice: it said: “All”!

 

[Sue D.]

That is Not what God's Word says about homosexuality. Men laying with other men the same way that men lay with women is an abomination to God. And besides -- it's plain Gross. Men are Supposed to act like the men that God created them to be. They are using their bodies in a way never intended to be used and is harmful to them. Two consenting adults can be very wrong in their actions together.

Same thing with women. 'we' are not to lay with each other the same way that a man and woman would lay together. It's an abomination to God. It's putrid to Him.

so Why would born-again believers Want to do things together that are putrid in His eyes and that are an abomination to Him.

We are to 'love' them as people but Hate what they are doing. But, so often, what they are Doing is part of who they Are.

Maybe we Still Need the Strong words of Scripture. God gave them to us for a Purpose.

 

[Sue D.]

The heading of the thread you started yourself is about the boldness of past leaders and what has happened to That.

Then you proceed to talk about liking the more soft-spoken modern translations of Scripture. Those two comments do NOT mix.

 

[PloughBoy]

So, how do you feel about “Fornication” people in the church sleeping together and not married, dating, living together. People in the church committing “Adultery” do you feel that strongly about them as you do about “LGBTQ” in the church?

concerning new translations I said they were nice, I did not say I like them

yes concerning boldness, right where are they? That is a question.

 

[r1xlx]

The heading of the thread you started yourself is about the boldness of past leaders and what has happened to That.

Then you proceed to talk about liking the more soft-spoken modern translations of Scripture. Those two comments do NOT mix.

I've met and spoken to many pastors and ministers of 'Christian' churches and posed the question: "Are you evolved from monkeys or descended from Adam and Eve?" I've yet to meet one that replies "Adam and Eve of course!"

 

[Sue D.]

@r1xlx -- probably because it's not popular to teach Genesis creation.

How do you define a "Christian" church.

btw -- your bio info says you're from 'Hessle" -- where is that?


@PloughBoy -- homosexuality is a person / two people who thwart God's plan for family -- the only natural way for the next generation to come into existence.

Anyone -- in church or out of church -- who has sex outside of marriage is commiting fornication. And that is so common-place it's pathetic -- but there is the possibility of a new life -- and life is precious.

Homosexuality within the church -- should Not be in the church. Those who Do go to church -- lots of times are there simply to get people's reactions. That can be seen by their actions.

And God's Word can get into their hearts and they Can accept Christ and be made whole.

"Honoring and accepting homosexuality" Never - Ever.

 

[r1xlx]

I see plainly now, why we should honor and except “LGBTQ” as a way of showing our love to one another. And it makes plenty of sense.

I finally came to this conclusion by paying attention to the church and started to listening to the church, and watching them, in action. I see more and more of them finally coming around. I notice the nice new translations of the Bible, more loving and soft words, not to offend no one a more sweet and lovely tone. The word changes are very nice! Am I the only one that have notice this, because those older translation are to harsh and hard to read. Most people complain you cannot understand them. Now the church knows best, let us summit to our churches and leadership.

American Standard Version
for God is not a God of confusion, but of peace. As in all the churches of the saints,
Notice: it said: “All”!

GOD was bit harsh when he dropped masses of highly incendiary sulphur on Sodom and Gomorrah?
You can submit to your blind preachers if you like but didn't Jesus wasy something about the blind leading the blind.

I see plainly now, why we should honor and except “LGBTQ” as a way of showing our love to one another. And it makes plenty of sense.

I finally came to this conclusion by paying attention to the church and started to listening to the church, and watching them, in action. I see more and more of them finally coming around. I notice the nice new translations of the Bible, more loving and soft words, not to offend no one a more sweet and lovely tone. The word changes are very nice! Am I the only one that have notice this, because those older translation are to harsh and hard to read. Most people complain you cannot understand them. Now the church knows best, let us summit to our churches and leadership.

American Standard Version
for God is not a God of confusion, but of peace. As in all the churches of the saints,
Notice: it said: “All”!

Saints is a modern distortion of what are the dead who will be the first to be raised when Jesus returns. Ain't no saints in heaven as Catholics and pagans claim.

 

[r1xlx]

@r1xlx -- probably because it's not popular to teach Genesis creation.

How do you define a "Christian" church.

btw -- your bio info says you're from 'Hessle" -- where is that?


@PloughBoy -- homosexuality is a person / two people who thwart God's plan for family -- the only natural way for the next generation to come into existence.

Anyone -- in church or out of church -- who has sex outside of marriage is commiting fornication. And that is so common-place it's pathetic -- but there is the possibility of a new life -- and life is precious.

Homosexuality within the church -- should Not be in the church. Those who Do go to church -- lots of times are there simply to get people's reactions. That can be seen by their actions.

And God's Word can get into their hearts and they Can accept Christ and be made whole.

"Honoring and accepting homosexuality" Never - Ever.

Hessle is in God's Own Country - Yorkshire, UK.
A Christian church is one that believes the Bible. Not many about in this Great Falling Away?

 

[Sue D.]

A 'saint' is actually any born-again believer.

A 'saint' in the RCC is a person who has been raised above all others because of specially good works they have done. Not Biblical.

 

[PloughBoy]

@r1xlx -- probably because it's not popular to teach Genesis creation.

How do you define a "Christian" church.

btw -- your bio info says you're from 'Hessle" -- where is that?


@PloughBoy -- homosexuality is a person / two people who thwart God's plan for family -- the only natural way for the next generation to come into existence.

Anyone -- in church or out of church -- who has sex outside of marriage is commiting fornication. And that is so common-place it's pathetic -- but there is the possibility of a new life -- and life is precious.

Homosexuality within the church -- should Not be in the church. Those who Do go to church -- lots of times are there simply to get people's reactions. That can be seen by their actions.

And God's Word can get into their hearts and they Can accept Christ and be made whole.

"Honoring and accepting homosexuality" Never - Ever.

And neither “fornication” or “Adultery”

King James Bible
But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
Now, how do you handle this in the “institutionalize church”?

 

[Sue D.]

Why do you refer to church and the 'institutionalized church'.

The local church is a group of believers who get together mostly on a weekly basis. We are to be ministering to Everyone, but not to be close friends with those that are listed in that verse.

 

[PloughBoy]

Because there are two types of Churches. Sue, the problem is the word “church”.
You have a institution called church started by the “Church of Rome” who claim Apostle Peter was the 1st Pope they claim. Then the branches started spreading out, “church plantings” the systems of how services are to be conducted. Pulpits, “Hierarchy” “Canon of Scripture” “The Bible”, “The definition of Words” “ The Institutionalized church”. Ruled the world. Even Kings! If any was Out side of “the institutionalized church” they were slaughter! You 1st had “the Church of Rome” then came “The Roman Catholic Church” it bred the “Protestants church”. All of these are “institutional churches”.
Now, here is the description of the “Congregation that Christ said He was building” I will also call this the “church” that Christ is building, which is not completed yet. Is The“Invisible church” members are all who have slept in Christ and alive and will be “ born from above” and when the last member has been born. “The Rapture” will happen! We are waiting on the last member! Then His “Church” [congregation] will be completed. “The Last stone”. You have a visible church that man has made, then you have a “invisible” not made by the hands of man, that Christ is making. The word church, has cause confusion of the masses. So the real church is mixed up among all “institutionalize churches”. You know all of this.

 

[Sue D.]

Well -- the RCC was Not founded by Jesus Christ or Peter being a pope cause he wasn't.

The real true church is that which Jesus Christ founded.

The Protestant churches are those who Rebelled / Protested the teachings Of the RCC. They are Not branches Off the RCC.

The True church -- the Only True church is what came into being after the bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ. The invisible / universal church are all the born-again believers all over the world. The individual body of believers is the local church.

Maybe it's been confusing to You, but I wouldn't go as far as saying '"there has been confusion among the masses of people."

Churches have names -- so it's not difficult to decide which church a person wants to go to. I'm Baptist so I find one with that name. And then find of of the size a person is comfortable in and how the preacher preaches and , etc. Some people like Praise and Worship music and some prefer using hymnals. Both are available.

One of my granddaughters goes to a Presbyterian church.

 

[Sue D.]

Are you still advocating honoring and accepting homosexuality -- which is what all the various letters stand for.

That you feel it's no worse than having sex outside of marriage.

 

[PloughBoy]

i studied concise “church” history and the Roman History. I study for years in this “genre”! I study the kings and queens, Spain, English, the Scots, pertaining to Biblical history. I even know of the “ alcoholics” who were part of the team of the “interpreters” of the “AV” which is the “KJV” 1611 that was drawn up by non- christians translators of the Christian Faith! And I know why they were chosen for the task. I study for years concerning the Historical path that has lead to where we are today. I wanted to know the history of this Bible and translations and the walk of the term of the word “Christianity”. Pastors and preachers, Sunday school teachers could not do it. It was going to take a God to teach me. I told God before I got saved, I do not trust none of them, if you are real, you got to reveal yourself to me! I trust no man or woman! He did! I love church history, it is nothing for me to spend 50 hours a week in books. History biblical. Biographies. He said that He will give you the desires of your heart, I only had one. And He did.

 

[PloughBoy]

Are you still advocating honoring and accepting homosexuality -- which is what all the various letters stand for.

That you feel it's no worse than having sex outside of marriage.

Sin is Sin, fornication, Adultery, Homosexual and Lesbian sex acts rate in the same category. You preach against one hard, you preach against the other, just as hard . That is where I stand! Either you cold or hot and be not Luke Warm.

 

[PloughBoy]

The invisible church or church invisible is a theological concept of an "invisible" Christian Church of the elect who are known only to God, in contrast to the "visible church"—that is, the institutional body on earth which preaches the gospel and administers the sacraments.

 

[Sue D.]

It's called the universal body of believers. Every person who has accepted Jesus Christ as personal Savior/ indwelling of the Holy Spirit -- members of that universal church. When the rapture takes place -- it will be all the born-again believers who are dead first and then those who are alive right after that -- from all over the world.

The 7 churches of Asia in Revelation 2 or so -- all local body of believers in those various cities mentioned.

BTW -- you did Not answer my question "are you still advocating honoring and accepting homosexuality."

 

[PloughBoy]

I love them, just like I love all sinners. Because I am commanded by my “Lord”. And from the heart! And not by merely words. That is my answer.

 

[Sue D.]

You changed your answer then. Because 'loving' sinners is Not the same as honoring and accepting them.