Where does God take the Saints?

[univac]

My understanding of this matter.

When Jesus comes to collect His Saints, Where does God take His Saints? In Mark, we see that God brings them together:
And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven. Mark 13:26-27.
Paul in the letter to Thessalonians describes how the Lord will gather His elect.
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
God's people go up in the clouds and meet the Lord in the air! It does not look like the saints will be spending their time on the earth. Why would the saints go up in the air if they were going back down to the ground again? In John 14, Jesus mentions that there are places in His Father's house. Jesus is coming to take His saints back with Him.
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. John 14:2-3
Here we have Jesus saying that there are places for His saints to live. He is preparing a place for us to live. This most likely is the beloved city, the New Jerusalem and we know that the New Jerusalem does not come out of heaven until after the 1000 years. The very last part of the book of Revelation speaks of the New Jerusalem coming down from Heaven to the New Earth:
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. Revelation 21:1-2.
So, the places in His Father's house are in Heaven, not on earth. There is nothing on earth for the saints at this point. Even the earth itself is all broken up. In addition, we know from Jeremiah that there will be no one left alive on earth after the second coming of Christ.
I beheld the earth, and indeed it was without form, and void; And the heavens, they had no light.
I beheld the mountains, and indeed they trembled, And all the hills moved back and forth.
I beheld, and indeed there was no man, And all the birds of the heavens had fled.
I beheld, and indeed the fruitful land was a wilderness, And all its cities were broken down At the presence of the LORD, By His fierce anger. Jeremiah 4:23-26.
Here, Jeremiah is speaking of a time when the earth will be brought back to the same conditions (without form and void) that it was before creation week. there is no light, the mountains are unstable and the earth is a wilderness. All the cities are broken down. In addition there is no man.
Jeremiah is not speaking of the past, he is speaking of some time in the future. The only time this could be, is the 1000 years. No one is alive on the earth.
God will not have His Saints on the earth when it is in this condition. Jesus will take His saints to Heaven where the New Jerusalem is located.

All The Wicked are Dead in the Thousand Years
During the thousand years, there is no one on the earth. From Section 5.9 we see that all the wicked will be killed when Jesus comes. The best two scriptures in Section 5.9 to confirm this point is the following: Revelation 19:21, 2 Thessalonians 2:8
And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh. Revelation 19:21.
And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth, and destroy with the brightness of His coming.
The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders,
and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 2 Thess 2:8-10.

No Person is Left Alive on the Earth
Jeremiah also helps to show that there will be no one left on the earth after Jesus comes. It is interesting that he uses the same words used in the book Genesis to describe the earth. The earth was without form and void.
I beheld the earth, and indeed it was without form, and void; And the heavens, they had no light.
I beheld the mountains, and indeed they trembled, And all the hills moved back and forth.
I beheld, and indeed there was no man, And all the birds of the heavens had fled.
I beheld, and indeed the fruitful land was a wilderness, And all its cities were broken down At the presence of the LORD, By His fierce anger. Jeremiah 4:23-26.
We can see that there are broken down cities, all man is destroyed and the ground is extremely unstable. This is the result of God's fierce anger, and at the presence of the Lord, all this was done!
Jeremiah is not speaking of the past, he is speaking of some time in the future, because we see that there are broken down cities and man is disappeared from the face of the earth! The only time this could be, is the 1000 years after Jesus comes. No one is alive on the earth.
Many believe that the righteous will reign with Jesus on earth during this time, however, in Section 6.3 we will see that God's people are in Heaven with Jesus, not on the earth. Indeed Jeremiah says that no man will be found on the earth during this time.
The earth could very well be the pit that Satan is put in. Some believe that the righteous people will be with Jesus on earth during this time, so they think Satan must be somewhere else. However, no one will be left alive on the earth during the thousand year period. It would be a fitting place for Satan to view the destruction of cities and man and think what he has done.


God bless

 

[Br. Bear]

Please tell me where those sections can be found?......


All The Wicked are Dead in the Thousand Years
During the thousand years, there is no one on the earth.


From Section 5.9 we see th

at all the wicked will be killed when Jesus comes. The best two scriptures

in Section 5.9 to confirm this point is the following:

Revelation 19:21, 2 Thessalonians 2:8
These two Scriptures say what they say,
And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh. Revelation 19:21.
And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth, and destroy with the brightness of His coming.
The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders,
and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 2 Thess 2:8-10.

No Person is Left Alive on the Earth
Jeremiah also helps to show that there will be no one left on the earth after Jesus comes. It is interesting that he uses the same words used in the book Genesis to describe the earth. The earth was without form and void.
I beheld the earth, and indeed it was without form, and void; And the heavens, they had no light.
I beheld the mountains, and indeed they trembled, And all the hills moved back and forth.
I beheld, and indeed there was no man, And all the birds of the heavens had fled.
I beheld, and indeed the fruitful land was a wilderness, And all its cities were broken down At the presence of the LORD, By His fierce anger. Jeremiah 4:23-26.
We can see that there are broken down cities, all man is destroyed and the ground is extremely unstable. This is the result of God's fierce anger, and at the presence of the Lord, all this was done!
Jeremiah is not speaking of the past, he is speaking of some time in the future, because we see that there are broken down cities and man is disappeared from the face of the earth! The only time this could be, is the 1000 years after Jesus comes. No one is alive on the earth. Need a bit more Scriptural proof of this claim
Many believe that the righteous will reign with Jesus on earth during this time,


however, in Section 6.3 we will see th


at God's people are in Heaven with Jesus, not on the earth. Indeed Jeremiah says that no man will be found on the earth during this time.
The earth could very well be the pit that Satan is put in. Some believe that the righteous people will be with Jesus on earth during this time, so they think Satan must be somewhere else. However, no one will be left alive on the earth during the thousand year period. It would be a fitting place for Satan to view the destruction of cities and man and think what he has done.

 

[univac]

Section 5.9 is a group of scripture to support the thread:
Hear it is

Mark 13
24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,

25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.

26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

Luke 21
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
Matthew 24

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Rev 1

7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Revelation 6

12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Isaiah 13:6 & 2:10-12, 19-21
6 Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.

10 Enter into the rock, and hide thee in the dust, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty.

11 The lofty looks of man shall be humbled, and the haughtiness of men shall be bowed down, and the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day.

12 For the day of the LORD of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low:

19 And they shall go into the holes of the rocks, and into the caves of the earth, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.

20 In that day a man shall cast his idols of silver, and his idols of gold, which they made each one for himself to worship, to the moles and to the bats;

21 To go into the clefts of the rocks, and into the tops of the ragged rocks, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.

Isaiah 26

20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.

21 For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

Jeremiah 25
29 . . . Ye shall not be unpunished: for I will call for a sword upon all the inhabitants of the earth, saith the LORD of hosts.

30 Therefore prophesy thou against them all these words, and say unto them, The LORD shall roar from on high, and utter his voice from his holy habitation; he shall mightily roar upon his habitation; he shall give a shout, as they that tread the grapes, against all the inhabitants of the earth.

31 A noise shall come even to the ends of the earth; for the LORD hath a controversy with the nations, he will plead with all flesh; he will give them that are wicked to the sword, saith the LORD.

32 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Behold, evil shall go forth from nation to nation, and a great whirlwind shall be raised up from the coasts of the earth.

33 And the slain of the LORD shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth: they shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried; they shall be dung upon the ground.

2Thess 2
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:.

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Revelation 19
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

15 And out of his mouth Goethe a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh


God bless

 

[univac]

Here is section 6,3 of scripture to support the stages of the thread:
Hear follows,

Revelation 20:4-6

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

ll be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

1 Corinthians 6
2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world
shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?


Come Jesus Lord God

Amen

God bless

 

[Br. Bear]

Again, please tell me where these sections can be found... in other words, if they are from a study or publication, could you please tell me which one?

Thank you.

 

[ephesians4_23]

I also have a question regarding the 1000 year reign:
Rev 20: 4-6 speaks of the 1000 years, and that the beheaded martyrs are the first resurrection and reign with Christ as priests of God (and it doesn't say where).

However, you say that the earth is void and empty, no people are on the earth at this specific time. Later in Rev 20, when the 1000 years are over, Satan is loosed again and allowed to "deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth...gather them for battle". How is it possible to have 'nations', people to gather for battle on the earth unless the 1000 year reign was on the earth? We're not talking a few people, we're talking numbers like 'the sand on the seashore'.

Revelation 20: 4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.
7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison
8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth--Gog and Magog--to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore.
9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God's people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them.
10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

 

[univac]

It is a thorough study from the bible.

 

[Br. Bear]

This is now the third time I have asked you to tell me where these sections you mentioned can be found, where are they from, what is the name of the study and/or publication. Now I also ask to tell me who put this study together and I remind you that if you are posting subject from other sources besides your own writing, you must display where the subject came from.

http://www.talkjesus.com/press-stand/53-talk-jesus-10-commandments-rule.html

If you would like to continue to post here, you will have to follow the basic rules and guidelines of this forum as everyone else has to do so.... me included.

Please tell me?

Thank you

 

[univac]

My veiw is a creationist View.

I can not post any links without permission.
What is your veiw?

 

[Br. Bear]

Dear univac,

I realise you can not post links without permission. My view is that you ought perhaps just tell me where those sections are from. So, one more time, I ask you to please tell me the name of the publication you quoted.

If you could please answer my question?

Thank you