Why do Christians preach something Jesus did not?

[dagelos]

Why do Churches/Christians teach/Preach a different doctrine than Jesus?

If Churches and Christians try to ''win souls'' or save people,or get people saved,or are saved or need to be saved; why were people in the times of Jesus in division?
Why do people need to be chosen?
Why does God need to draw people?

If it is as simple as believing in Jesus or attending Church or getting saved,then why did people turn and not walk with Jesus anymore?
Why did Jesus ask if they were offended? Why was there division?

Why is it in all Churches all Christians try to ''win'' converts?

How come Christians find it so hard to ''shake off the dust of your feet''?

Why is that man(Christians) feels the need to force feed converts and draw them to their congregation?

For example,everyone is equal and accepted,but where is that in the Bible?

Matthew 20:16:So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.

John 6:39:And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.


John 6:41:The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven.

John 6:44:No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:60:Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?

John 6:61:When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?

John 6:65:And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

John 6:66:From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

Luke 12:51:Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:

John 7:43:So there was a division among the people because of him.

John 9:16:Therefore said some of the Pharisees, This man is not of God, because he keepeth not the sabbath day. Others said, How can a man that is a sinner do such miracles? And there was a division among them.

John 10:19:There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings.

Matthew 10:14:And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

Luke 9:5:And whosoever will not receive you, when ye go out of that city, shake off the very dust from your feet for a testimony against them.

Acts 13:51:But they shook off the dust of their feet against them, and came unto Iconium.

 

[B-A-C]

Why do Churches/Christians teach/Preach a different doctrine than Jesus?

If Churches and Christians try to ''win souls'' or save people,or get people saved,or are saved or need to be saved; why were people in the times of Jesus in division?
Why do people need to be chosen?
Why does God need to draw people?

If it is as simple as believing in Jesus or attending Church or getting saved,then why did people turn and not walk with Jesus anymore?
Why did Jesus ask if they were offended? Why was there division?

Why is it in all Churches all Christians try to ''win'' converts?

How come Christians find it so hard to ''shake off the dust of your feet''?

Why is that man(Christians) feels the need to force feed converts and draw them to their congregation?

It's true. Much of what you say. (John 6:44) says we can't even come to Jesus on our own.

..and yet... the great commission (Mark 16:15-20) says we are to go out and preach to all the world.
Matt 24:14, Mark 13:10, Acts 10:42 etc...

Romans 10:17 says faith comes by hearing the Word preached.
Romans 10:14 asks.. how will they believe unless it is preached to them?

We are called to be like Jesus, he is our example. Did he preach? Did he try to lead people to salvation?

It isn't up to us to save people. This is true. We can't change people hearts. Only God/Holy Spirit can do that. However we are called to preach and lead people to the truth. Not to force them to be saved. But to present the truth to them and let them make the choice.

Some religions "force" people to "believe" in them. This has even been done in the name of Christianity (the crusades, Spanish inquisition, Salem witch hunts, etc...) but if I have to hold a gun to your head to make you say that you believe in something, do you really believe it in your heart? God doesn't want to force people to accept his son. He gives them to choice to choose. So should we.

Having said that... it is difficult to watch loved ones, family, our parents, our children.. sometimes our spouses... going down the road to destruction. We will be held accountable for NOT presenting the gospels to these people (James 4:17, Matt 12:36-37). Not for their salvation (that's up to them) but we need to at least present the gospel to them. Otherwise.. how will they even know they need to make a choice?

 

[jari]

i dont know what is the point exactly but God's grace is the foundation doctrine which many refute.

so while people are at it, preaching doctrines it's all supposed to be built on Jesus,
and His sacrafice for our forgiveness.

if somebody refutes this doctrine he truly has his own doctrine as its supposed to be based on Jesus..
not on Jesus words only but on His sacrafice (which He also spoke about a lot).
As no one can save him self.


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[dagelos]

It's true. Much of what you say. (John 6:44) says we can't even come to Jesus on our own.

..and yet... the great commission (Mark 16:15-20) says we are to go out and preach to all the world.
Matt 24:14, Mark 13:10, Acts 10:42 etc...

Romans 10:17 says faith comes by hearing the Word preached.
Romans 10:14 asks.. how will they believe unless it is preached to them?

We are called to be like Jesus, he is our example. Did he preach? Did he try to lead people to salvation?

It isn't up to us to save people. This is true. We can't change people hearts. Only God/Holy Spirit can do that. However we are called to preach and lead people to the truth. Not to force them to be saved. But to present the truth to them and let them make the choice.

Some religions "force" people to "believe" in them. This has even been done in the name of Christianity (the crusades, Spanish inquisition, Salem witch hunts, etc...) but if I have to hold a gun to your head to make you say that you believe in something, do you really believe it in your heart? God doesn't want to force people to accept his son. He gives them to choice to choose. So should we.

Having said that... it is difficult to watch loved ones, family, our parents, our children.. sometimes our spouses... going down the road to destruction. We will be held accountable for NOT presenting the gospels to these people (James 4:17, Matt 12:36-37). Not for their salvation (that's up to them) but we need to at least present the gospel to them. Otherwise.. how will they even know they need to make a choice?

Christianity is a Religion that forces people to believe - look at Christian missionaries etc etc

Luke 9:5:And whosoever will not receive you, when ye go out of that city, shake off the very dust from your feet for a testimony against them.

I think Christianity is the ONLY religion that forces people to follow their doctrines....


Some people I don't think are meant to be converted,for example...

Mark 4:12:That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.

Matthew 13:15:For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

John 10:26:But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

If Jesus could tell people they were not his sheep - Why do Christians want EVERYONE to be the sheep of Jesus?



As for the ''great commission'' - are people supposed to preach to animals?

Mark 16:15:And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.


Most Christians would probably preach something that Jesus did not,especially about converting people and bringing them in to their denomination...

 

[dannibear]

Christianity is a Religion that forces people to believe - look at Christian missionaries etc etc

Luke 9:5:And whosoever will not receive you, when ye go out of that city, shake off the very dust from your feet for a testimony against them.

That can be left up to opinion depending on the situation.

I think Christianity is the ONLY religion that forces people to follow their doctrines....

I beg that you please do more research. Islamic terrorists
for exampledo suicide attacks, murders, kidnapping, all
in the name of 'Allah'. Many Muslims use their holy book to
commit all kinds of evil to strike fear into people, and get them
to believe in their religion.

Some people I don't think are meant to be converted,for example...

Mark 4:12:That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.

Matthew 13:15:For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

John 10:26:But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

Some people were not meant to be converted? So
therefore, in your opinion, some people are not
meant to be forgiven their sins and allowed into Heaven?
To those verses I have this to say: Impressions that are not
deep, will not last. It is not saying some people were not
meant to be saved.

If Jesus could tell people they were not his sheep - Why do Christians want EVERYONE to be the sheep of Jesus?

Why would a true Christian NOT want someone to
be His sheep, to receive His forgiveness, to let
Jesus work through their lives, etc.?
We see this in Psalm 95:7:
"For he is our God; and we are the people of his pasture,
and the sheep of his hand."

 

[dagelos]

That can be left up to opinion depending on the situation.



I beg that you please do more research. Islamic terrorists
for exampledo suicide attacks, murders, kidnapping, all
in the name of 'Allah'. Many Muslims use their holy book to
commit all kinds of evil to strike fear into people, and get them
to believe in their religion.



Some people were not meant to be converted? So
therefore, in your opinion, some people are not
meant to be forgiven their sins and allowed into Heaven?
To those verses I have this to say: Impressions that are not
deep, will not last. It is not saying some people were not
meant to be saved.

If Jesus could tell people they were not his sheep - Why do Christians want EVERYONE to be the sheep of Jesus?

Why would a true Christian NOT want someone to
be His sheep, to receive His forgiveness, to let
Jesus work through their lives, etc.?
We see this in Psalm 95:7:
"For he is our God; and we are the people of his pasture,
and the sheep of his hand."

I beg that you please do more research. Islamic terrorists
for exampledo suicide attacks, murders, kidnapping, all
in the name of 'Allah'. Many Muslims use their holy book to
commit all kinds of evil to strike fear into people, and get them
to believe in their religion.

Oh,really what about Jews?
They do not accept Christianity,they are anti-Christian in their doctrines,have you ever read the Talmud?


Some people were not meant to be converted? So
therefore, in your opinion, some people are not
meant to be forgiven their sins and allowed into Heaven?
To those verses I have this to say: Impressions that are not
deep, will not last. It is not saying some people were not
meant to be saved.

Read that verse again...

Mark 4:12:That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.

The verse is clearly saying the opposite of what you posted!


Why would a true Christian NOT want someone to
be His sheep, to receive His forgiveness, to let
Jesus work through their lives, etc.?
We see this in Psalm 95:7:
"For he is our God; and we are the people of his pasture,
and the sheep of his hand."


Jesus stated ''ye are not of my sheep''
There were people who were not the sheep of Jesus,read John 10:26.
Christians want to make everyone the sheep of Jesus,Jesus told people they were not his sheep.
Christians contradict the message of Jesus because they want it for everyone!

 

[B-A-C]

Christianity is a Religion that forces people to believe - look at Christian missionaries etc etc

If Jesus could tell people they were not his sheep - Why do Christians want EVERYONE to be the sheep of Jesus?

Most Christians would probably preach something that Jesus did not,especially about converting people and bringing them in to their denomination...

Hmmm... I don't see predominantly Christian countries (i.e. United States and Great Britain) forcing anyone to be Christians. I do see predominantly Muslim countries killing people because they refuse to convert.

Why do we want people to follow Jesus?
If you saw a toddler heading towards a busy street, would you try to stop them? I guess you could say "It's none of my business, God must just want them to die". It's possible they will die anyway even if I intervene, but for me personally, I feel it would be my duty to intervene.

You are partially right about the denomination thing. Christianity isn't a denomination. However Jesus did preach repentance. He did say he was the truth, the life and the way. He also said no man comes to the father except through him.

There are some people who know the way.. but choose not to take it or refuse to believe it.
There are other people looking for an answer, looking for direction, looking for hope. I know it's Jesus' will that we tell them. I know it's satan's will that we do not tell them.

 

[Chad]

Christianity is a Religion that forces people to believe - look at Christian missionaries etc etc

Luke 9:5:And whosoever will not receive you, when ye go out of that city, shake off the very dust from your feet for a testimony against them.

I think Christianity is the ONLY religion that forces people to follow their doctrines....


Some people I don't think are meant to be converted,for example...

Mark 4:12:That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.

Matthew 13:15:For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

John 10:26:But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

If Jesus could tell people they were not his sheep - Why do Christians want EVERYONE to be the sheep of Jesus?



As for the ''great commission'' - are people supposed to preach to animals?

Mark 16:15:And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.


Most Christians would probably preach something that Jesus did not,especially about converting people and bringing them in to their denomination...

A post exemplifying a confused mind. Do your proper research. Do you know what Islam is? Do you know what force really means? Are you aware of what goes on in third world countries and muslim countries where Christians are "forced" to deny their faith in Christ?

And you quoted something Christ said that you're trying to use to back up your claim that Christianity forces people to believe? Some proof you got there. Anyone here forcing you to believe?

Let me ask you, why are you here on the forums? What purpose did you join for? Clearly you're not seeking. Did someone force you to join?

Its so interesting that your profile says you are born again, "I am a Christian". Actually, you're a liar with no good motives here.

 

[Chad]

Read that verse again... Mark 4:12:That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.

You obviously do not understand what that verse means. Did you research what it means? Yes or no? What resources was your research based off of?

Let me help you out:
http://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/matthew-henry-complete/mark/4.html

Its wise to use bible study tools, such as that website which has ample commentaries and dictionaries, translations.

 

[dagelos]

A post exemplifying a confused mind. Do your proper research. Do you know what Islam is? Do you know what force really means? Are you aware of what goes on in third world countries and muslim countries where Christians are "forced" to deny their faith in Christ?

And you quoted something Christ said that you're trying to use to back up your claim that Christianity forces people to believe? Some proof you got there. Anyone here forcing you to believe?

Let me ask you, why are you here on the forums? What purpose did you join for? Clearly you're not seeking. Did someone force you to join?

Its so interesting that your profile says you are born again, "I am a Christian". Actually, you're a liar with no good motives here.

Its so interesting that your profile says you are born again, "I am a Christian".Actually, you're a liar with no good motives here.

Its so interesting that your profile says you are born again, "I am a Christian". Actually, you're a liar with no good motives here

Uh,I needed to fill in my profile I didn't realize that I needed to answer something like ''born again''

Ah,the typical Christian who JUDGES '' - it's easy to Judge,isn't it?



A post exemplifying a confused mind. Do your proper research. Do you know what Islam is? Do you know what force really means? Are you aware of what goes on in third world countries and muslim countries where Christians are "forced" to deny their faith in Christ?


Are you aware that Judaism rejects Christianity in their doctrines?
Are you aware about what they say about Christianity?

 

[Chad]

I'm not judging you. I'm exposing your wolf-like purpose being here. I got your private message, thank you. You further exposed your "belief".

Account closed. We move on to those who seek Jesus.

 

[::PreciousinChrist::]

Because they do not who He is!

 

[twc130]

my 2-3 cents worth

i like to respond to your topic in a general way. I have found it very frustrating seeing Jesus being preached in so many ways that to me seemed "off'" or preached in a way that seemed to me not what Jesus wanted said.

In my frustration I was lead to the gospels where it seemed Paul talked alot about the same thing, its allover in his letters. Preaching rather it be self deserving, deception and so on. That amazed me that in such a small period of time, the gospel would find people to twist the Word of God.

So if only took approx 50 years for all this ,twisting perverting the words of Jesus , just imagine it is now what? approx- 2000 years -imagine what twisting and perversion of the Work of God can be done!

no perfection here on earth i will see rather it be in the church or in others or me, looking for that perfection will go nowhere. just like people arguing tirelessly over scripture after scripture. This is a heart thing not a mind thing.

 

[David777]

Hello folks.

Titus 3:5
"regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit"

I Corinthians 2:16
"you have the mind of Christ"

Hebrews 8:10
"I will put my laws in their hearts"

Colossians 3:2
"set your minds on things above"

2 Corinthians 4:16
"our inner man is being renewed day by day"

Ephesians 4:23
"be renewed in the spirit of your mind"

Colossians 3:10
"the new man is being renewed to a true knowledge..."

Titus 3:5
"renewing by the Holy Spirit"

The Holy Spirit renews the mind, the heart, the all of man.