Why I Don't Celebrate Christmas

[Gerbolski]

May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom

I don't think there's anything wrong with celebrating Christmas even with the giving of gifts so long as Christmas is still celebrated in the understanding of what it's all about in the first place the birth of Jesus.

For those that want to hang on the pagan holiday I have this to say. Did the pagans create that day? Did the pagans create the week did the pagans create the month or the year? If they did create those moments then they have a right to claim that particular day. But since they did not create that day nor did they create any day, so the pagans themselves are thieves to claim Christmas as some special day for themselves. Just as much as the gay population or the alphabet population wants to claim June as their month, as if they actually owned it that month which they don't. So my thinking is what a celebrate Christmas to heck with those pagans thieves they are we're taking back what belongs to God

Now as far as the commercialization of Christmas, that in itself the whole concept of making the best money is no better than the money lenders in the temple. Because people who are trying to make profit out of something that's special for others should be shot far as I'm concerned. Or at least hang them by there toes and make him eat broccoli, LOL.

Yes God created days , weeks and months and years.

I have more stuff, which I will add later.

But concerning establishing feast to other god's and christianizing it, God is against that, in the bible God was always against feasts to other god's, which one god was Baal.

And purity is without mixture.

Deu 12:30
(30) Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise.

Just because God created the days, and so on, does not make feasts to other gods right, nor does it make mixture right, nor does it make Christianizing these things right.

God is a jealous God, and will share is glory with nothing, nor men, or other gods, we need to reverence him and fear him, and be careful we do things his way, but that reverence is not strong today.

And when God established feasts, it was not done in a careless way, such as the pagan feasts, and not done with any mixture, it was pure, holy, and 100% right.

 

[Bill]

Yes God created days , weeks and months and years.

I have more stuff, which I will add later.

But concerning establishing feast to other god's and christianizing it, God is against that, in the bible God was always against feasts to other god's, which one god was Baal.

And purity is without mixture.

Deu 12:30
(30) Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise.

Just because God created the days, and so on, does not make feasts to other gods right, nor does it make mixture right, nor does it make Christianizing these things right.

God is a jealous God, and will share is glory with nothing, nor men, or other gods, we need to reverence him and fear him, and be careful we do things his way, but that reverence is not strong today.

And when God established feasts, it was not done in a careless way, such as the pagan feasts, and not done with any mixture, it was pure, holy, and 100% right.

May Jesus fill us with his love and humor

There is no other God for Christmas. It's just Jesus why would you even think that there's another God. Santa Claus is not a god. The person who Santa Claus was named after was a holy Christian man who gave gifts to children when it was not popular to do that for children

 

[Gerbolski]

May Jesus fill us with his love and humor

There is no other God for Christmas. It's just Jesus why would you even think that there's another God. Santa Claus is not a god. The person who Santa Claus was named after was a holy Christian man who gave gifts to children when it was not popular to do that for children

The name Christmas in it's origins itself, does not glorify God, which points to the Catholic mass, which I have already covered many posts ago, and concerning the Nicholas thing, it is not even certain if he was real or not, but they did make a god of Santa Claus, with godly attributes which was based on former pagan traditions, which I also wrote about many posts back.

God does not want us to heed to fables, and he does not want to be served like the pagans serve their gods.

1Sa 15:23
(23) For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

You do not have to go ahumm, ahumm, in order to be in idolatry, you, me, whoever just have to do things our way in order to be in idolatry.

 

[Bill]

The name Christmas in it's origins itself, does not glorify God, which points to the Catholic mass, which I have already covered many posts ago, and concerning the Nicholas thing, it is not even certain if he was real or not, but they did make a god of Santa Claus, with godly attributes which was based on former pagan traditions, which I also wrote about many posts back.

God does not want us to heed to fables, and he does not want to be served like the pagans serve their gods.

1Sa 15:23
(23) For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

You do not have to go ahumm, ahumm, in order to be in idolatry, you, me, whoever just have to do things our way in order to be in idolatry.

May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom.

You do know that I'm Catholic right?

Saint Nicholas as he's referred to in the Catholic Church is not a god but a holy man who died a holy man. The Catholic Church did not make him into a god.

The way that it came about was Nicholas would leave food or clothing or candy to children who were very poor on the day that Jesus birth was celebrated.

The celebration which is known as the mass, and for Christ's birthday it was referred to as Christ's Mass

No I'm not exactly sure how you can't find God inside of that word because Christ himself is referred to in that word. And Christ is Jesus and Jesus is God. So I don't really know what your confusion is. And God doesn't sow confusion so I have to wonder what's going on, LOL

 

[Gerbolski]

Saint Nicholas as he's referred to in the Catholic Church is not a god but a holy man who died a holy man. The Catholic Church did not make him into a god.

The way that it came about was Nicholas would leave food or clothing or candy to children who were very poor on the day that Jesus birth was celebrated.

The celebration which is known as the mass, and for Christ's birthday it was referred to as Christ's Mass

No I'm not exactly sure how you can't find God inside of that word because Christ himself is referred to in that word. And Christ is Jesus and Jesus is God. So I don't really know what your confusion is. And God doesn't sow confusion so I have to wonder what's going on, LOL

Here is the stuff I quoted on Santa Claus:

Santa Claus In looking further into the Bishop of Myra, there is debate of whether he existed or not, so who knows if he even existed, but whether he did or not, we know that Santa Claus is a fable, and infact many ideas may have come from way back, which does not seem to be a coincidence, here is info on this: (The Truth About Christmas - EARLY CHRISTIAN BELIEFS) (...Santa Claus (Saint Nicholas): Santa was first called Saint Nicholas. Purportedly, there was a man called Saint Nicholas who gave gifts, but the origin of St. Nick and Santa Claus goes back much further in history. The stag was a symbol in dim antiquity of Nimrod. Statues of Baal, found in Nineveh, show the pagan god Baal (the deified Nimrod) with a long beard and carrying a deer. The Baal statues had wings which gave the god the power of flying through the air. The Norse god. “Odin,” was pictured as riding across the sky on an eight legged horse. He was a magician who punished naughty children and rewarded good children with presents. The Norse god, “Thor,” was represented as an elderly man, jovial, with a heavy build and a long white beard. He entered homes through the chimney and into the fire, which was his element and his color red. He drove a chariot, drawn by two goats, Cracker and Nasher. He was known as the “yule god” and dwelt in a palace in the North land, with the ice and snow. Interestingly, Saint Nicholas’ existence is not attested by any historical document, so nothing certain is known of his life except that he was probably bishop of Myra in the fourth century. The accounts of his life are confused and historically unconfirmed. In 1969 Pope Paul VI officially decreed the feast of Saint Nicholas be removed from the Roman calendar, because of doubt that he ever existed. Refer to: 1999 Encyclopedia Britannica, Microsoft Encarte Encyclopedia 1999, Christmas Almanac, Random House 2004....) So it is possible, if this bishop of Mira existed, that they built a fable around him, but surely things from ancient traditions were added to him, which pointed to other gods, and were pagan in nature. Do not give heed to fables.

And concerning the mass of Christ, which points to transubstantiation, it is an abomination to God, so why would Jesus which is God, would want his birthday to be named after an abomination ?

In Catholicism, all kinds of traditions trumps over truth, the Catholic church itself is pagan.

 

[Gerbolski]

In fact the Catholic church is the one leading the modern day apostasy, through it's ecumenical movement.

 

[Bill]

In fact the Catholic church is the one leading the modern day apostasy, through it's ecumenical movement.

Really how so

 

[Bill]

Here is the stuff I quoted on Santa Claus:

Santa Claus In looking further into the Bishop of Myra, there is debate of whether he existed or not, so who knows if he even existed, but whether he did or not, we know that Santa Claus is a fable, and infact many ideas may have come from way back, which does not seem to be a coincidence, here is info on this: (The Truth About Christmas - EARLY CHRISTIAN BELIEFS) (...Santa Claus (Saint Nicholas): Santa was first called Saint Nicholas. Purportedly, there was a man called Saint Nicholas who gave gifts, but the origin of St. Nick and Santa Claus goes back much further in history. The stag was a symbol in dim antiquity of Nimrod. Statues of Baal, found in Nineveh, show the pagan god Baal (the deified Nimrod) with a long beard and carrying a deer. The Baal statues had wings which gave the god the power of flying through the air. The Norse god. “Odin,” was pictured as riding across the sky on an eight legged horse. He was a magician who punished naughty children and rewarded good children with presents. The Norse god, “Thor,” was represented as an elderly man, jovial, with a heavy build and a long white beard. He entered homes through the chimney and into the fire, which was his element and his color red. He drove a chariot, drawn by two goats, Cracker and Nasher. He was known as the “yule god” and dwelt in a palace in the North land, with the ice and snow. Interestingly, Saint Nicholas’ existence is not attested by any historical document, so nothing certain is known of his life except that he was probably bishop of Myra in the fourth century. The accounts of his life are confused and historically unconfirmed. In 1969 Pope Paul VI officially decreed the feast of Saint Nicholas be removed from the Roman calendar, because of doubt that he ever existed. Refer to: 1999 Encyclopedia Britannica, Microsoft Encarte Encyclopedia 1999, Christmas Almanac, Random House 2004....) So it is possible, if this bishop of Mira existed, that they built a fable around him, but surely things from ancient traditions were added to him, which pointed to other gods, and were pagan in nature. Do not give heed to fables.

And concerning the mass of Christ, which points to transubstantiation, it is an abomination to God, so why would Jesus which is God, would want his birthday to be named after an abomination ?

In Catholicism, all kinds of traditions trumps over truth, the Catholic church itself is pagan.

May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom

I'm sure that if you look hard enough, you can find all sorts of correlations on any subject that you want to find. And I'm sure that if you want to find correlations with worms and with turtles and snakes and everything else that you can do the same thing with them too.

A person's interpretation of others is based upon their own comprehension and what you're taught in your own personal lifetime. As an example the Muslims can find all sorts of evil when it comes to the Jews. Do you know why that is? It's because they are taught from the time that they are a little to the time that they're adults and Beyond of how evil the Jews are. So that they can come up with all sorts of your private ways of thinking about the Jews, and it's been instilled upon them to eradicate the Jews as being a blessing.

So I say this also accusingly of the Protestant churches maybe not all of them but a good many of them. And I have been witness to many of those churches, who will tear down the Catholic Church constantly during their homilies. When they should be praising God or talking about the greatness of God they waste their time complaining about the Catholic Church.

I can tell you without a doubt, that every preacher, every person that calls himself Christian. Every single one of them are going to be held accountable for tearing down their brothers and sisters in the Lord. The same thing is true of all the Catholics that have ever torn down the Protestant churches, as they too will be held accountable for these sins.

The Protestants along with the Catholics are not above reproach for the sins they have committed upon each other over stupidity.

 

[Gerbolski]

All you really need to know about Santa claus is this.

1Ti 4:7
(7) But refuse profane and old wives' fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness.

Is it a lie to tell your children that a big man is going through a chimney, and bring them presents. yes it is.

Is it an old wives fable, yes it is, so do not give heed to it.

 

[Bill]

All you really need to know about Santa claus is this.

1Ti 4:7
(7) But refuse profane and old wives' fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness.

Is it a lie to tell your children that a big man is going through a chimney, and bring them presents. yes it is.

Is it an old wives fable, yes it is, so do not give heed to it.

May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom

What does this have to do with anything we're talking about?

Old wives tales, did you know that there is some truth to those things. Typically what we call old wives tales started out with some truth to it that got twisted around over the years. Like the Willow the Wisp. Actually started because in swamps, during moonlit nights, if there's a fog over the swamp it will seem to have little lights that float. It's actually a scientific phenomenon that takes place. But for the unlearned, it will seem like things floating in the air with light over a moonlit swamp.

There's a lot of other old wives' Tales as you put it that have facts mixed in with stories. Happens all the time.

Do you put money under the pillow for your child when they lose a tooth? Or maybe set out Easter baskets for the children to find. What are you teaching your children if you're doing these things? And of course filling up those stockings with goodies.

There is a little disconnect I think between fantasy and reality. Is it okay to teach children a little fantasy? Do we teach them about Hansel and Gretel do we teach children about Cinderella? Do we try to convince children that those stories are real?

I personally don't have a problem celebrating Christmas with Santa Claus Concepts. As long as the overindulgence into material things isn't there. I like having my grandkids and my children understand what's more important. And also for them to understand that this is the day we celebrate the birth of Jesus.

 

[Gerbolski]

Do you put money under the pillow for your child when they lose a tooth? Or maybe set out Easter baskets for the children to find. What are you teaching your children if you're doing these things? And of course filling up those stockings with goodies.

No I have never put money under a pillow for my kids when they were younger and loss their tooth, and tell them the tooth fairy came and put it there, because I do not believe in lying to my children.

And God's word says not to give heed to old wives' fables.

I do not believe in making lies cute.

I would rather fear the Lord, and walk in his ways.

And now I have grand children.

 

[Gerbolski]

There's a lot of other old wives' Tales as you put it that have facts mixed in with stories. Happens all the time.

That is true that some things have facts mixed in with lies, but that does not give us permission to lie to our children.

 

[Bill]

No I have never put money under a pillow for my kids when they were younger and loss their tooth, and tell them the tooth fairy came and put it there, because I do not believe in lying to my children.

And God's word says not to give heed to old wives' fables.

I do not believe in making lies cute.

I would rather fear the Lord, and walk in his ways.

And now I have grand children.

Hey Jesus fill us with his love and humor

It's okay. It's okay to be real strict in your faith.

You know a lot of people when they read the scripture it's just really cut and dry. When it comes to seeing humor from God they don't see it at all in Scripture.

But whoever heard of a donkey talking.

 

[Gerbolski]

But whoever heard of a donkey talking.

That actually happened, and I am not against humor, but lies God hates lies.

 

[Bill]

That is true that some things have facts mixed in with lies, but that does not give us permission to lie to our children.

May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom.

Have you watched the movies The Avengers? Or Star Wars? Have you taken your children to see these movies also?

Do we teach our children that the Avengers are real? Do we teach our children that Star Wars is real that there's life on other planets?

Against all the odds and all the bologna of the AI. I teach my children that Earth Is All We Are and it's all it is.

I took my kids to see Lord of the Rings. And I have fun teasing the kids about Moogic running around in the house making all the little sounds in the house.

God has good sense of humor, and I think we should too. If you want to be strict about the way you think about everything go for it. Just explain to me sometime when you got that block of snow sitting on your roof that doesn't melt in the summertime, and yet you can scrape off of it all day long until there's literally nothing left and still have a full block the next day. Kind of like the oil for the woman when she's had Elijah staying with her.

I want what the fantasy Tales are going to be in the future, when the witnesses walk the earth causing all sorts of havoc. And teasing the heck out of the Christians who are so stubborn has to not understand the humor of God.

 

[Bill]

That actually happened, and I am not against humor, but lies God hates lies.

May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom.
Willful lies that cause a person to stumble or fall from the grace of God. These are the lies that got hates.

 

[Gerbolski]

He hates all lies, and he said not to give heed to fables, but I know people make their excuses.

So if we say ok I will give heed to fables because it makes me feel good, that does not line up with the word.

 

[Gerbolski]

I will stick to the word.

Catholicism is strong on their traditions of men, which I used to be one, but so are all kinds of people.

 

[Bill]

I will stick to the word.

Catholicism is strong on their traditions of men, which I used to be one, but so are all kinds of people.

I'm sorry that you lost your faith in Catholicism. That's the failure of a priest or a bishop or parents as well. It's not saying that they aren't good people, but they have failed to teach you well.

In my personal opinion, and this is nothing against the Protestant churches as they are all good people too. But in my personal opinion in the Catholic Church, it has the richest and deepest ground to grow in when it comes to Faith. Unfortunately the Catholics don't even know it.

That tradition that you talk about, that you claim is a tradition of men. It's not it's a tradition of the word. It's the tradition in the same manner that the tradition of the Hebrews had. They followed the tradition that was handed down to them by God. And the Catholics follow the same tradition that was handed down by God from the beginning. This is something that the Protestant churches do not do, follow the tradition of God in that way. They cannot explain why they follow many of the Catholic practices, as an example having an alter in the front of a church they can't explain that. It's just something that they do that they follow, tradition you could say. They can't explain why they have the vestments for the minister to wear. And why certain colors are worn during certain periods of the year. They do it because the Catholics do it, they want to follow in the footsteps of the Catholic Church and at the same time condemn the Catholic Church for following the traditions of men as they put it.

You should ask your minister sometime, why is the altar in the middle? Why does the minister wear special vestments? Why do they do the readings, why do they do the homily, why do they collect money? All these things you'll find in the Catholic Church and it was there before the Protestants existed. But there are reasons for all these things and it all goes back in the tradition of the Hebrew teachings that were handed down by God

 

[Gerbolski]

We know that the Levitical priesthood was done away with, and we are not into the vestments you speak of.

Nowhere do you find the foundation of the Catholic church in scripture, it is just not there.

There has always been churches that were separate, even before the 1500's.