Why Pray for something?

[Mr. Armenian]

Hey All,

Here is a (in my opinion) serious question. I've asked several people, but none of the answers I'm getting really make sense. I know based on the title, there are some people who have already got there backs up! Please....hear me out.

Christ knows all. Our Lord knows about every single incident that has (or will) happen(ed) from the start of creation until the end of time.

God knows who will turn to him for help (like us) and people who will not be saved. So - here's the question.....

If God knows that my next door neighbour (for an example) will not come to Him, and it is not part of his will (or God knows) that my neighbour will not answer God's call - then why pray for him? My prayer can not change God's will, or knowledge. NOONE can change what will happen - or change what is God's will.

Thoughts? I honestly don't know how to look at this.

God Bless You all.

 

[jiggyfly]

Hey All,

Here is a (in my opinion) serious question. I've asked several people, but none of the answers I'm getting really make sense. I know based on the title, there are some people who have already got there backs up! Please....hear me out.

Christ knows all. Our Lord knows about every single incident that has (or will) happen(ed) from the start of creation until the end of time.

God knows who will turn to him for help (like us) and people who will not be saved. So - here's the question.....

If God knows that my next door neighbour (for an example) will not come to Him, and it is not part of his will (or God knows) that my neighbour will not answer God's call - then why pray for him? My prayer can not change God's will, or knowledge. NOONE can change what will happen - or change what is God's will.

Thoughts? I honestly don't know how to look at this.

God Bless You all.

So what is God's will concerning the salvation/ reconciliation of your neighbor?

 

[Mr. Armenian]

I dunno what God's will is for my Neighbour.

What I do know is that (I believe) that it is the role of my wife and I to live out God's will, and people will see the difference that Christ has made in our lives. In turn, we would hope that they would come to Christ based on our example. God is using us to get to Them. But God already knows in advance whether or not they will turn to Him.

Now, my point wasn't specifically to my Neighbour. It could be anyone. My Neighbour. My Parents. The cashier at my local grocery store.

 

[Chad]

GOD knows it all, but all things are not predetermined by GOD.

It is not GOD's will that one od's on drugs and dies without salvation. That person was not predetermined by GOD to do this. Just one simple example.

We pray His will is done. We have *free will* to follow or not follow Jesus. Prayer is the most powerful gift GOD has given to us. We pray for ourselves and others. We ask, we receive. Jesus taught this very clearly numerous times.

These articles are great to read:

http://www.talkjesus.com/prayer-request/21712-why-pray.html

http://www.talkjesus.com/prayer-request/8165-unanswered-prayers-most-common-reasons-why.html

 

[Coconut]

1Ti 2:1 First of all, then, I urge that petitions, prayers, requests, and thanksgivings be offered to God for all people;
1Ti 2:2 for kings and all others who are in authority, that we may live a quiet and peaceful life with all reverence toward God and with proper conduct.
1Ti 2:3 This is good and it pleases God our Savior,
1Ti 2:4 who wants everyone to be saved and to come to know the truth.


Jas 5:16 So then, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, so that you will be healed. The prayer of a good person has a powerful effect.
Jas 5:17 Elijah was the same kind of person as we are. He prayed earnestly that there would be no rain, and no rain fell on the land for three and a half years.
Jas 5:18 Once again he prayed, and the sky poured out its rain and the earth produced its crops.
Jas 5:19 My friends, if any of you wander away from the truth and another one brings you back again,
Jas 5:20 remember this: whoever turns a sinner back from the wrong way will save that sinner's soul from death and bring about the forgiveness of many sins.

 

[threeyetone]

Faith Is The Key

Faith is the key to your answer, Yet if we do not have LOVE we are nothing. Do you understand you must still pray, you must concern yourself with your own salvation Let the Lord deal with his own. That is not our choice. we guide, comfort, listen , learn, and ultimately lead that person to Christ, If we are to be good christians we obey God Thats it and thats all. Bless You

 

[stephen]

Hey All,

Here is a (in my opinion) serious question. I've asked several people, but none of the answers I'm getting really make sense. I know based on the title, there are some people who have already got there backs up! Please....hear me out.

Christ knows all. Our Lord knows about every single incident that has (or will) happen(ed) from the start of creation until the end of time.

God knows who will turn to him for help (like us) and people who will not be saved. So - here's the question.....

If God knows that my next door neighbour (for an example) will not come to Him, and it is not part of his will (or God knows) that my neighbour will not answer God's call - then why pray for him? My prayer can not change God's will, or knowledge. NOONE can change what will happen - or change what is God's will.

Thoughts? I honestly don't know how to look at this.

God Bless You all.

Indeed I have met similar...My neighbours also. Naturally I could judge them to have no no hope....in God. But that would be natural, as I have mentioned.

In Jesus I pray for them. Waving my bible will not help them. But praying surely will

 

[InTouch]

I would like to believe the option for salvation is always in our Fathers plan.
It seems we had made a choice through Adam and Eve to eat of the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, thus doing our will and not our Fathers. I believe it must take a conscious choice to be reconciled to the Father. Like the Prodigal son the choice to return was left up to the son. As long as life is in us there is hope. By praying for the neighbor you acknowledge that you find hope in your Father who has hope that stretches past eternity. With him all things are possible. Praying is the conscious act of offering intersession on behalf of the one prayed for. Jesus showed us many times that he was compelled by compassion to intercede on behalf of those he healed, The final outcome is determined by those who choose to throw away their crutches, or those who choose to cling to them. It is their choice. So let us return to our Father and eat of the Tree of Life.

 

[Faith4Bride]

Hey All,

Here is a (in my opinion) serious question. I've asked several people, but none of the answers I'm getting really make sense. I know based on the title, there are some people who have already got there backs up! Please....hear me out.

Christ knows all. Our Lord knows about every single incident that has (or will) happen(ed) from the start of creation until the end of time.

God knows who will turn to him for help (like us) and people who will not be saved. So - here's the question.....

If God knows that my next door neighbour (for an example) will not come to Him, and it is not part of his will (or God knows) that my neighbour will not answer God's call - then why pray for him? My prayer can not change God's will, or knowledge. NOONE can change what will happen - or change what is God's will.

Thoughts? I honestly don't know how to look at this.

God Bless You all.

the answer is this, we pray and stand in faith for people. each day we are conformed more and more into the image of Jesus and our mind into the mind of Christ. if we are praying and standing in faith for someone and it is not Gods will to save them then the Spirit of God will reveal this to us so that we do not any longer stand in faith and pray against His will But we need to make sure we listen to His Spirit and not walk by what we see from that person whom we stand and pray for because it is through our prayers and faith and working that God uses men to save people and so unless we are told otherwise we walk by faith and stand for those people so that God will hear and use us and our faith to save them

 

[BattleMonkey36]

For God so loved the world!! Read the whole verse.

He wants everyone Saved!!

If it feels like the spirit of God is saying he is out of my will I am not calling him like FAITH4BRIDE said. Then thats the wrong spirit. What you believe is critical. Since Faith is needed where I am heading to in this passage to you my friend. Faith clarifyed is basically currency in the spiritual realm. Get me?

Now I am going to purposely bypass your question for the answer is easy.

ANSWER: He says too Pray.

I am going to however hit the nail where it wants it.

So you need to save someone.

Here it is, ITS HARDWORK!! you can't GIVE UP!! If the Arch Angel Michael fought for 40 days and Nights before he won. How much more do we have to fight for our Neighbors for Ourselves, considering God made us a little lower than the Angels its going to take some SERIOUS HARDWORK!! contending with the DEVIL!!

Since, VICTORY is stored up for the UPRIGHT!!

LETS GET TO IT!!

Whats the worst enemy of all?

Yes, Ourselves so if anything Pray for his HEART!! FIRST!!

Mathew 13 Tells me there are 4 types of Hearts.

Mathew 13:3-4 (please read)
The Wayside. In Palenstine there were fields and fields of Barley and Wheat, inbetween each different field there were long pathways called The Wayside; Hard, Sunbaked, Compacted rock-like soil etc. When the seed hits it can't germinate so the birds eat it almost straight away.

Mathew 13:18 (additional info)
Those that hear but don't understand Satan snatches it away from them.


Mathew 13:5 (Please Read)
The soft apperance but Rock inside. When the seed hits the rock the roots have nowhere to go to find a water source they wither and are scorched from the Sun.

Mathew 13:20 (Additional Info)
He hears the word, recieves it, but doesn't have the Root so he can't endure the heavy stuff, the character building elements, amen?.


Mathew 13:7 (please read)
The soft and furtile, when seeds hit this soil weeds spring up.

Mathew13:22 (additional info)
He hears the word but the cares of this world make him unfruitful by choking it out. You know people are so worryed about this and worryed about that but we're a people a faith, amen? Walk in Faith!!


The fourth type is Soft, Fluffy, Deep and Jesus Says produces 30, 60 and 100 fold.

Hosea 10:12 Break up your fellow ground. This is of course talking about ones self but you'll be standing in the Gap for Him!! AMEN!!? Halleluijah!! thats biblical too by the way, Standing in the Gap.

Pray against the Hardest of his Heart, Break up his fellow ground he has a 3 in 4 chance to have a Hard heart so by doing this you are eliminating the main focal point of what the Devil will be trying to push on this Man.

James 5:16 The effective prayer of a righteous man avails much.

God is a real God so be real with him.

Take into account Elijah when praying, this was a very mighty man of God. He himself had to Pray seven times before rain finally came in 1 Kings 18:42-44 like I said this going to be HARDWORK!! DON'T GIVE UP!! this man is now relying on you to make it!!

Now you may be asking yourself, what has this got to do with anything?

Good Question.

Now that you are consistently praying for his Heart, he will now recieve what you are about to speak into his life from the Word of God. Which will be to the effect of "Get Planted in A Church" Psalm 92:13 those that are planted in the House shall flourish.
So that your Pastor can speak and spill seeds on to his Heart, amen?

Now if you haven't done this already by now, put through the salvation prayer.
Bare in mind being born again only qualifys you to enter into the Kingdom of God. He will need consistent support from you to make his journey a success. To confidently walk into Heavens Gates.

Everyone can be saved we just need more Labourers in the Field like Jesus said.

Bless Your Day, in Jesus Name.

 

[Mr. Armenian]

Wow!

Thanks so much for all of your in-depth answers. It's starting to make a bit more sense.

Thanks to all, God Bless you all.

-Mark.