Why Remission of Sins Different Between Gentiles & Jews?

[GodB4Us]

Why is the remission of sins different between Gentiles & Jews when there is only one gospel?

Behold how plainly it is written about how the Gentiles were to receive their remission of sins by believing in Jesus Christ & they got the gift of the Holy Ghost as a result before they got water baptized in Jesus's name.

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. 44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, 47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Now comes the convoluted verse of Acts 2:38 for the Jews at Pentecost whereby some believe water baptism is for the remission of sins and some believe repenting from all sins is for the remission of sins and some believe both in how to be saved in order to get the gift of the Holy Ghost as promised.

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. 37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

The gospel is the same to the Jews as it is to the Gentiles.

When you read in context from verse 36 to verse 38 & 39, Peter was speaking to the very Jews that participated in crucifying Jesus Christ for why they were pricked in their hearts and had asked Peter for help for what they have done for not believing in Jesus Christ as God for why He was being crucified for blasphemy for.

Did you get that? I hope the Lord is enabling you to receive this. To repent for crucifying Jesus in unbelief is by believing in Him is how the Jews had received the remission of sins same as the Gentiles.

And water baptism has nothing to do with the Jews obtaining salvation when it was plainly written and spoken to the Gentiles that believing in Him is how they were to receive the remission of sins & the gift of the Holy Ghost came as a result way before water baptism.

Water baptism served as an ordinance for new believers in taking the first step in being His disciples to be publicly water baptized in His name stating their desire to follow Jesus Christ as His disciples.

Water baptism is not for obtaining salvation and neither is repenting from all sins in order for Jesus to save us is necessary for salvation, but to believe in Jesus Christ is what is necessary for salvation, because God is pleased to save those who believe the preaching of the cross.

1 Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. 18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God..... 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

Water baptism can serve as a public witness that these believers are trusting Jesus Christ as their personal Good Shepherd to help them to follow Him as His disciples by looking to Him daily in laying aside every weight & sin thus walking in the light in fellowship with the Father & the Son to bear fruit and that their joy may be full.

Hebrews 12:1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Discipleship from water baptism to repenting from sins daily is separate from salvation. We run that race because Jesus Christ is in us for how we can run that race when our confidence is in Him to finish His work in us to His glory.

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:.... 11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

So Peter's gospel plainly given to the Gentiles is really the same as the one he had given to the Jews that by believing in Jesus Christ is how one receives the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Ghost.

 

[GodB4Us]

If any one doubts, then read the gospel presenation as given by Paul in how we are saved.

Romans 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. 14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? 17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

No mention of water baptism here and no mention of repenting from all sins either.

But now that we have been reconciled to God the Father by Jesus Christ, let us go on to perfection by living that reconciled relationship with God thru Jesus Christ trusting Him as our Good Shepherd & Friend to help us to follow Him to bear fruit as His disciples so that our joy may be full in the Lord.

WARNING; there is a consequence for saved believers not to follow Him as His disciples because when He comes back as the Bridegroom and we are found in iniquity, we will be excomunnicated from the Marriage Supper in Heaven.

1 Corinthians 9:24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. 25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible. 26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: 27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Hebrews 12:1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds. 4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin. 5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him: 6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. 7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? 8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons. 9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live? 10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness. 11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

Look at how those left behind for being workers of iniquity are to get stripes per the knowledge they had for not being ready and lesser stripes for the knowledge that they did not have for not being ready.

Luke 12:40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not. 41 Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all? 42 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season? 43 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath. 45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;

46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.

47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

49 I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?

Compare Hebrews 12:5 with Luke 12:47-48 above for why those left behind for not being ready are still saved, still His servants, but they will be scourged to never do those iniquities again when they are resurrected after the great tribulation.

Since the church is to excommunicate those not found abiding in Him to lead them to repentance, what the church failed to do, God will when He comes as the Bridegroom in giving them unto the devil to kill them.

1 Corinthians 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

So we all best heed leaning on Him as our Good Shepherd in trusting Him to help us to follow Him & abide in His words if we wish to avoid being left behind in missing being partakers of teh first fruits of the resurrection because how we are to hold fellowship and to eat with ne another down here, will be the same above, especially for the marriage Supper of the Lamb in His honor and to His glory.

1 Corinthians 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: 10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

 

[Dave M]

Remember everyone from Isreal is not of Isreal


the church is the fulfillment of Isreal

Romans 9
6 It is not as though God’s word has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel.

Romans 10:12​

For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him.

Galatians 3:28​

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Colossians 3:11​

Here there is not Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave, free; but Christ is all, and in all.

 

[GodB4Us]

Remember everyone from Isreal is not of Isreal


the church is the fulfillment of Isreal

Romans 9
6 It is not as though God’s word has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel.

Romans 10:12​

For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him.

Galatians 3:28​

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Colossians 3:11​

Here there is not Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave, free; but Christ is all, and in all.

Agreed.

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

And not every sheep of His, is of the fold that followed His voice but a stranger's voice as many have gone astray, but He will get those lost sheep.

John 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. 2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. 3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. 4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. 5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers....

14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. 15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Matthew 18:10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven. 11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost. 12 How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray? 13 And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray. 14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.

That is why those unrepentant saints and former believers that get left behind are still saved for why He will get those lost sheep that went astray for He shall lose none of all the Father has given Him, including the ones left behind.

John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

So which last day will the sheep be resurrected in? As Christ, the first fruits at the rapture event or they that be Christ's at His coming, resurrected after the great tribulation?

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Which fold will the sheep be in for that fold's resurrection day? To attend the Marriage Supper in heaven as vessels unto honor in His House or to serve the King of kings as vessels unto dishonor, vessels of wood & earth, in His House?

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Why is the remission of sins different between Gentiles & Jews when there is only one gospel?

Behold how plainly it is written about how the Gentiles were to receive their remission of sins by believing in Jesus Christ & they got the gift of the Holy Ghost as a result before they got water baptized in Jesus's name.

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. 44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, 47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Now comes the convoluted verse of Acts 2:38 for the Jews at Pentecost whereby some believe water baptism is for the remission of sins and some believe repenting from all sins is for the remission of sins and some believe both in how to be saved in order to get the gift of the Holy Ghost as promised.

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. 37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

The gospel is the same to the Jews as it is to the Gentiles.

When you read in context from verse 36 to verse 38 & 39, Peter was speaking to the very Jews that participated in crucifying Jesus Christ for why they were pricked in their hearts and had asked Peter for help for what they have done for not believing in Jesus Christ as God for why He was being crucified for blasphemy for.

Did you get that? I hope the Lord is enabling you to receive this. To repent for crucifying Jesus in unbelief is by believing in Him is how the Jews had received the remission of sins same as the Gentiles.

And water baptism has nothing to do with the Jews obtaining salvation when it was plainly written and spoken to the Gentiles that believing in Him is how they were to receive the remission of sins & the gift of the Holy Ghost came as a result way before water baptism.

Water baptism served as an ordinance for new believers in taking the first step in being His disciples to be publicly water baptized in His name stating their desire to follow Jesus Christ as His disciples.

Water baptism is not for obtaining salvation and neither is repenting from all sins in order for Jesus to save us is necessary for salvation, but to believe in Jesus Christ is what is necessary for salvation, because God is pleased to save those who believe the preaching of the cross.

1 Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. 18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God..... 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

Water baptism can serve as a public witness that these believers are trusting Jesus Christ as their personal Good Shepherd to help them to follow Him as His disciples by looking to Him daily in laying aside every weight & sin thus walking in the light in fellowship with the Father & the Son to bear fruit and that their joy may be full.

Hebrews 12:1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Discipleship from water baptism to repenting from sins daily is separate from salvation. We run that race because Jesus Christ is in us for how we can run that race when our confidence is in Him to finish His work in us to His glory.

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:.... 11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

So Peter's gospel plainly given to the Gentiles is really the same as the one he had given to the Jews that by believing in Jesus Christ is how one receives the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Why do you insist on excluding the Holy Spirit from your study of the Word?...Listen! He wrote it Why do you not allow Him to teach you about it? Remission of sin is remission of sin no matter who receives it, Jew or Gentile. Jesus began His work with the Jews and later expanded it to the Gentiles He expanded the word, but He did not change the work.

 

[GodB4Us]

Why do you insist on excluding the Holy Spirit from your study of the Word?...Listen! He wrote it Why do you not allow Him to teach you about it? Remission of sin is remission of sin no matter who receives it, Jew or Gentile. Jesus began His work with the Jews and later expanded it to the Gentiles He expanded the word, but He did not change the work.

By His grace & by His help, I was answering the question for how Peter was preaching the same gospel to the Jews as he did to the Gentiles that it is by believing in Him is how the Jews also had received the remission of sins.

Many believers misread Acts 2:28 out of context of Acts 2:36-37 that the call to repent is to repent from unbelief by believing in Him is how the Jews had received the remission of sins same as the Gentiles and that water baptism was not the means for one to receive the remission of sins either.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

By His grace & by His help, I was answering the question for how Peter was preaching the same gospel to the Jews as he did to the Gentiles that it is by believing in Him is how the Jews also had received the remission of sins.

Many believers misread Acts 2:28 out of context of Acts 2:36-37 that the call to repent is to repent from unbelief by believing in him is how the Jews had received the remission of sins same as the gentiles and that water baptism was not the means for either one to receive the remission of sins either.

I'm having a difficult time today with cognition....I think I've misunderstood your share....Perhaps I should not be online today? I have to agree with what you've just posted...

 

[GodB4Us]

I'm having a difficult time today with cognition....I think I've misunderstood your share....Perhaps I should not be online today? I have to agree with what you've just posted...

Sometimes when I get upset or angry because of something happened during the day, I wondered if I should be online but He led me in here, as I trusted Him to lead me out of here if I was not posting as He would have me post.

As it is, so far, He is leading me to share talents that He may cause the increase in others for their edification.

Proverbs 11:24 There is that scattereth, and yet increaseth; and there is that withholdeth more than is meet, but it tendeth to poverty. 25 The liberal soul shall be made fat: and he that watereth shall be watered also himself. 26 He that withholdeth corn, the people shall curse him: but blessing shall be upon the head of him that selleth it.

So it is okay if what I post is hard to understand when you & I both rely on the Lord to minister to us and through us as we seek the other good's in the Lord as well as for our own good.

I find when sharing my talents with others, He helps me at the same time. Kind of like he that watereth, shall be watereth also himself.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Sometimes when I get upset or angry because of something happened during the day, I wondered if I should be online but He led me in here, as I trusted Him to lead me out of here if I was not posting as He would have me post.

As it is, so far, He is leading me to share talents that He may cause the increase in others for their edification.

Proverbs 11:24 There is that scattereth, and yet increaseth; and there is that withholdeth more than is meet, but it tendeth to poverty. 25 The liberal soul shall be made fat: and he that watereth shall be watered also himself. 26 He that withholdeth corn, the people shall curse him: but blessing shall be upon the head of him that selleth it.

So it is okay if what I post is hard to understand when you & I both rely on the Lord to minister to us and through us as we seek the other good's in the Lord as well as for our own good.

I find when sharing my talents with others, He helps me at the same time. Kind of like he that watereth, shall be watereth also himself.

What you post is not at all hard to understand....My brain does not work as efficiently as it once did is all

 

[GodB4Us]

What you post is not at all hard to understand....My brain does not work as efficiently as it once did is all

Okay. Well, thank the Lord that you were able to understand it when you did. I shall thank Him for that too. Amen.

 

[God's Truth]

Why is the remission of sins different between Gentiles & Jews when there is only one gospel?

It isn't different.

Behold how plainly it is written about how the Gentiles were to receive their remission of sins by believing in Jesus Christ & they got the gift of the Holy Ghost as a result before they got water baptized in Jesus's name.

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. 44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, 47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Now comes the convoluted verse of Acts 2:38 for the Jews at Pentecost whereby some believe water baptism is for the remission of sins and some believe repenting from all sins is for the remission of sins and some believe both in how to be saved in order to get the gift of the Holy Ghost as promised.

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. 37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

The gospel is the same to the Jews as it is to the Gentiles.

When you read in context from verse 36 to verse 38 & 39, Peter was speaking to the very Jews that participated in crucifying Jesus Christ for why they were pricked in their hearts and had asked Peter for help for what they have done for not believing in Jesus Christ as God for why He was being crucified for blasphemy for.

Did you get that? I hope the Lord is enabling you to receive this. To repent for crucifying Jesus in unbelief is by believing in Him is how the Jews had received the remission of sins same as the Gentiles.

Enabling? That sounds like a Calvin/Luther teaching.
When Jesus had his earthly ministry, God cut off and hardened the Jews who did not already have faith in God, they were cut off and hardened so that they couldn't hear and believe Jesus and be saved while Jesus walked the earth.

Jesus was coming to make a New Covenant based on faith. Some Jews had faith and some did not.

After Jesus was crucified, then all could come to him to be saved.

And water baptism has nothing to do with the Jews obtaining salvation when it was plainly written and spoken to the Gentiles that believing in Him is how they were to receive the remission of sins & the gift of the Holy Ghost came as a result way before water baptism.

The Jews were water baptized by John and Jesus' disciples. It taught to repent of sins.

Water baptism served as an ordinance for new believers in taking the first step in being His disciples to be publicly water baptized in His name stating their desire to follow Jesus Christ as His disciples.

No one was saved without being obedient to God and repenting of sins.

Water baptism is not for obtaining salvation and neither is repenting from all sins in order for Jesus to save us is necessary for salvation, but to believe in Jesus Christ is what is necessary for salvation, because God is pleased to save those who believe the preaching of the cross.

We have to CRUCIFY ourselves on the cross with Christ. That means we die to the sins of the world and then live to please Jesus.

How do you get that isn't repentance of sins?



Romans 6:2 By no means! How can we who died to sin live in it any longer?

Romans 6:6 We know that our old self was crucified with Him so that the body of sin might be rendered powerless, that we should no longer be slaves to sin.

Romans 6: 11In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. 12Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. 13Do not offer any part of yourself to sin as an instrument of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer every part of yourself to him as an instrument of righteousness. 14For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.

Galatians 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

Galatians 5:16 So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh.

Galatians 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ, and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave

Colossians 2:20 If you have died with Christ to the spiritual forces of the world, why, as though you still belonged to the world, do you submit to its regulations:

Colossians 3:3 For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God.

Luke 13:3 I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.

Acts 3:19 Therefore repent and turn back so that your sins may be wiped out,

1 Thessalonians 4:1 As for other matters, brothers and sisters, we instructed you how to live in order to please God, as in fact you are living. Now we ask you and urge you in the Lord Jesus to do this more and more.

 

[GodB4Us]

It isn't different.

I had explained in the Op why it is not different because the jews got the same remission of sins the same way the gentiles did which is to believe in Jesus Christ and they both got the gift/promise of the Holy Ghost as a result.

The Jews were water baptized by John and Jesus' disciples. It taught to repent of sins.

Only John the Baptist's water baptism of repentance for the remission of sins was about repentance for the remission fo sins whereas repenting from unbelief by believing in him is how we get the remission of sins & the Holy Ghost.

No one was saved without being obedient to God and repenting of sins.

Everyone that believed in Jesus Christ got saved.

We have to CRUCIFY ourselves on the cross with Christ. That means we die to the sins of the world and then live to please Jesus.

How do you get that isn't repentance of sins?

After you get saved by believing in Him, then you have power to live as the sons of God in living a life of repentance by looking to the author & finisher of our faith to help us lay aside every weight & sin daily.

Romans 6:2 By no means! How can we who died to sin live in it any longer?

Romans 6:6 We know that our old self was crucified with Him so that the body of sin might be rendered powerless, that we should no longer be slaves to sin.

Romans 6: 11In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. 12Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. 13Do not offer any part of yourself to sin as an instrument of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer every part of yourself to him as an instrument of righteousness. 14For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.

Galatians 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

Galatians 5:16 So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh.

Galatians 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ, and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave

Colossians 2:20 If you have died with Christ to the spiritual forces of the world, why, as though you still belonged to the world, do you submit to its regulations:

Colossians 3:3 For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God.

Discipleship as in running that ace. Not about salvation, but the result of salvation.

Luke 13:3 I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.

Acts 3:19 Therefore repent and turn back so that your sins may be wiped out,

1 Thessalonians 4:1 As for other matters, brothers and sisters, we instructed you how to live in order to please God, as in fact you are living. Now we ask you and urge you in the Lord Jesus to do this more and more.

Acts 3:19 is out of context and not the same as some of those other verses about repentance in regards to discipleship.

Acts 3:12 And when Peter saw it, he answered unto the people, Ye men of Israel, why marvel ye at this? or why look ye so earnestly on us, as though by our own power or holiness we had made this man to walk? 13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go. 14 But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you; 15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses. 16 And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all. 17 And now, brethren, I wot that through ignorance ye did it, as did also your rulers. 18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled. 19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.

Repent therefore is repenting from unbelief by believing in Him since that is the only way your sins may be blotted out as in the remission of sins just as Peter said the same to the Gentiles below.

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. 44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

Luke 13:3 is about those who think they are not worse sinners than others when Jesus says that every sinner needs to repent or they will be condemned the same. How do they not get condemned? By believing in Jesus Christ since those who do not believe in Him and His name are condemned already.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

1 Thessalonians 4:1 is referring to saved believers since addressing them as brothers and sister and so this is about discipleship once again in moving on to perfection by faith in Jesus Christ to finish it..

 

[God's Truth]

I had explained in the Op why it is not different because the jews got the same remission of sins the same way the gentiles did which is to believe in Jesus Christ and they both got the gift/promise of the Holy Ghost as a result.

I explained the Jews had to repent of their sins and so did the Gentiles.

Only John the Baptist's water baptism of repentance for the remission of sins was about repentance for the remission fo sins whereas repenting from unbelief by believing in him is how we get the remission of sins & the Holy Ghost.

That is not how we receive the Holy Spirit.
I believed in God and Jesus my whole life and didn't repent of unbelief.
The people in the Bible repented of their sins, and the Jews who helped get Jesus crucified---THEY are the ones who had to repent of unbelief, because that was THEIR sin.

Everyone that believed in Jesus Christ got saved.

We have to believe WHAT about Jesus? Think.

Jesus says to REPENT OR PERISH for the kingdom of heaven was near. They had to repent of their sins to have the near kingdom to be put in their heart.

After you get saved by believing in Him, then you have power to live as the sons of God in living a life of repentance by looking to the author & finisher of our faith to help us lay aside every weight & sin daily.

No such thing as just believe. Faith alone is dead. Believe the scriptures and don't change it.

 

[GodB4Us]

I explained the Jews had to repent of their sins and so did the Gentiles.

But how you applied repent to mean repent from all sins rather than just repenting from unbelief is why we are not in agreement since believing in Him is how the Gentiles got the remission of sins and as a result the gift of the Holy Ghost.

That is not how we receive the Holy Spirit.

That is how Jesus says to Nicodemus for how we are born again of the Spirit by believing in Jesus Christ for eternal life; John 3:6-16

I believed in God and Jesus my whole life and didn't repent of unbelief.

The moment you believed in Him is when you had repented from unbelief.

The people in the Bible repented of their sins, and the Jews who helped get Jesus crucified---THEY are the ones who had to repent of unbelief, because that was THEIR sin.

We have to believe WHAT about Jesus? Think.

Jesus says to REPENT OR PERISH for the kingdom of heaven was near. They had to repent of their sins to have the near kingdom to be put in their heart.

No such thing as just believe. Faith alone is dead. Believe the scriptures and don't change it.

The Jews who had crucified Jesus in unbelief had to repent by believing in Him to be saved.

1 Corinthians 1:21 testifies that God is pleased to save those who believe.

 

[God's Truth]

But how you applied repent to mean repent from all sins rather than just repenting from unbelief is why we are not in agreement since believing in Him is how the Gentiles got the remission of sins and as a result the gift of the Holy Ghost.

To have remission of sins, one must be sorry for their sins, and repent of them.

That is how Jesus says to Nicodemus for how we are born again of the Spirit by believing in Jesus Christ for eternal life; John 3:6-16

Titus 3:5... He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,

You are not washed and have a rebirth (born again) UNLESS you confess and repent of your sins and believe Jesus' blood washes those sins away.

We are born again by obeying Jesus' words.

That is how we are washed and receive his Spirit.

Ephesians 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

We are sanctified and washed by his word, and his word says to repent of our sins.

I can hardly believe that I am trying to convince a Christian that we have to obey and repent of our sins to get saved.
So many denominations teach faith alone, even though Jesus says what to do to be the one he saves and it isn't faith alone.

The moment you believed in Him is when you had repented from unbelief.

I just told you I believed in Jesus my whole life and wasn't saved until after I obeyed him. I had to obey him exactly as he said to have the powerful testimony that I have.

The Jews who had crucified Jesus in unbelief had to repent by believing in Him to be saved.

That was their sin. They were Jews and obeyed God and now had to repent for not believing Jesus and having helped have Jesus crucified.

1 Corinthians 1:21 testifies that God is pleased to save those who believe.

You keep pretending that all the scriptures that say to believe, that they nullify all the many more scriptures that say to obey.
We. have. to. believe. that. we. have. to. obey. this. man. named. Jesus.

 

[GodB4Us]

To have remission of sins, one must be sorry for their sins, and repent of them.

Titus 3:5... He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,

You are not washed and have a rebirth (born again) UNLESS you confess and repent of your sins and believe Jesus' blood washes those sins away.

We are born again by obeying Jesus' words.

That is how we are washed and receive his Spirit.

Ephesians 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

We are sanctified and washed by his word, and his word says to repent of our sins.

I can hardly believe that I am trying to convince a Christian that we have to obey and repent of our sins to get saved.
So many denominations teach faith alone, even though Jesus says what to do to be the one he saves and it isn't faith alone.

I just told you I believed in Jesus my whole life and wasn't saved until after I obeyed him. I had to obey him exactly as he said to have the powerful testimony that I have.

That was their sin. They were Jews and obeyed God and now had to repent for not believing Jesus and having helped have Jesus crucified.

You keep pretending that all the scriptures that say to believe, that they nullify all the many more scriptures that say to obey.
We. have. to. believe. that. we. have. to. obey. this. man. named. Jesus.

You have been prompted, brother.

God's Truth to Give Gospel Presentation

 

[God's Truth]

You have been prompted, brother.

God's Truth to Give Gospel Presentation

I think you have to get permission to make a thread about another member? In addition, I have been speaking about the gospel and how to get saved all along, so not sure why you think I need a special thread just for it. However, I love talking about God's Truth and I am glad to post there.

 

[GodB4Us]

I think you have to get permission to make a thread about another member?

Unaware of it but it was something you had said earlier you were going to do at my request.

In addition, I have been speaking about the gospel and how to get saved all along, so not sure why you think I need a special thread just for it. However, I love talking about God's Truth and I am glad to post there.

I know but I wanted to know how you would present the gospel to sinners when you seem to insist that sinners need to know all their sins so they can repent before coming to Jesus Christ & get the Holy Ghost, at least that is how I am understanding you to mean.

 

[GodB4Us]

The question is what that call to repent is really all about?

If we look at how Gentiles were to get the remission of sins plainly ... it is by believing in Him and when they heard the word Thus believed in Him, they got the Holy Ghost before water baptism and even before they confessed Him with their mouths.

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. 44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

This same Peter gave the same calling of the gospel to the Jews at Pentecost but it is often overlooked because they apply water baptism as the means t get that remission of sins while some in here apply repenting from all sins as a means to get remission of sins.

But there is only one gospel and this same Peter was preaching the same thing for how the Jews were to receive the remission of sins also by what? By repenting from unbelief for having crucified Jesus Christ thus by believing in Him is how they were to get the remission of sins.

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. 37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

As many believers today believe the call is to repent from all sins rather than to repent from unbelief for the remission of sins, and yet others believe water baptism is the means for the remission of sins, but both ignoring Acts 10:43-44 plainly testifying by this same Peter how believing in Him is how one receives the remission of sins, many sinners turn away from Him because they know they can't stop sinning because they have tried on their own.

Therefore sinners need to know the other hope we have in Jesus Christ that He can deliver them from their sins to no longer live in them as well as have the free gift of eternal life by simply believing in Him as our Saviour.

Then discipleship comes afterwards as we look to Jesus Christ trusting Him as our Good Shepherd & Friend to help us to follow Him by laying aside every weight & sin daily in living that reconciled relationship with God thru Christ.

 

[God's Truth]

The question is what that call to repent is really all about?

Repent is about sins we are doing and to die to them.

If we look at how Gentiles were to get the remission of sins plainly ... it is by believing in Him and when they heard the word Thus believed in Him, they got the Holy Ghost before water baptism and even before they confessed Him with their mouths.

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. 44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

That is about Cornelius and his household, they were already God fearing and righteous people.

Acts 10:1 At Caesarea there was a man named Cornelius, a centurion in what was known as the Italian Regiment. 2He and all his family were devout and God-fearing; he gave generously to those in need and prayed to God regularly. 3 One day at about three in the afternoon he had a vision. He distinctly saw an angel of God, who came to him and said, “Cornelius!”

This same Peter gave the same calling of the gospel to the Jews at Pentecost but it is often overlooked because they apply water baptism as the means t get that remission of sins while some in here apply repenting from all sins as a means to get remission of sins.

But there is only one gospel and this same Peter was preaching the same thing for how the Jews were to receive the remission of sins also by what? By repenting from unbelief for having crucified Jesus Christ thus by believing in Him is how they were to get the remission of sins.

If one of your sins is unbelief, then repent of that too.
Some people such as myself believed in Jesus their whole life.
No such thing as repenting of unbelief if you always believed.
In addition, there were people who never heard of Jesus and Paul preached Jesus to them and they didn't have to repent of unbelief.

Not only that PETER TELLS THE JEWS that they know of JOHN and HIS BAPTISM of repentance.

Peter tells them that because repenting of our sins is part of the gospel.

Read here how Peter tell Cornelius and his household the message that saved:


Acts 10:33 Now we are all here in the presence of God to listen to everything the Lord has commanded you to tell us.”

34 Then Peter began to speak: “I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism 35 but accepts from every nation the one who fears him and does what is right. 36 You know the message God sent to the people of Israel, announcing the good news of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all. 37 You know what has happened throughout the province of Judea, beginning in Galilee after the baptism that John preached— 38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.

As many believers today believe the call is to repent from all sins rather than to repent from unbelief for the remission of sins, and yet others believe water baptism is the means for the remission of sins, but both ignoring Acts 10:43-44 plainly testifying by this same Peter how believing in Him is how one receives the remission of sins, many sinners turn away from Him because they know they can't stop sinning because they have tried on their own.

We have to repent of our sins. Those who didn't want to repent of their sins turned away, and the Bible says because they love darkness more than light and they don't want to give up their sins.

Therefore sinners need to know the other hope we have in Jesus Christ that He can deliver them from their sins to no longer live in them as well as have the free gift of eternal life by simply believing in Him as our Saviour.

They still have to know that they have to repent of their sins or they aren't really saved.

Then discipleship comes afterwards as we look to Jesus Christ trusting Him as our Good Shepherd & Friend to help us to follow Him by laying aside every weight & sin daily in living that reconciled relationship with God thru Christ.

Discipleship comes afterwards? You have to get saved first by repenting of your sins.