Speaking in Tongues: A Sign for Nonbelievers

ozell · Nov 27, 2011

Peter quoted the Prophet Joel!

If we were to read the remaining of this chapter we would see that Peter also quoted the Prophet David (Psalm 16:8-11) beginning at the 25th verse and ending at the 28th verses of Acts chapter 2.

He did not speak an unidentifiable language; he uttered clear speech and every man understood what he said.

jiggyfly · Nov 27, 2011

ozell said:
And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness. (Acts 4: 31)

Note what the verse states, "they were all filled with the Holy Ghost."

Once they were filled with the Holy Ghost, what did they do?

They spake the word of God with boldness! Therefore in the case of Acts 2:4, the "Holy

Ghost is the Word of God. Let’s return to Acts chapter 2, pick up where we left off.

Ozell have you ever looked at the Greek manuscripts? Your synopsis is errant, HolySpirit is not the Word of God.

There is a difference between Pneuma and logos they are not the same entity.

gdemoss · Nov 27, 2011

jiggyfly said:
The bible is a varying compilation of a variety of scripture texts, even KJV has been revised many times so IMO it is impossible to refer to it as being complete.

Thank you for the clarity. I understand why we see it differently now. I don't consider the KJV or any translation to be the bible. Merely a translation. The 'autographs' or the original scriptures have never been revised. They are what I call the completed scriptures. Maybe I have failed to be clear and I apologize for that. As far as I know the 'autographs' are no longer in existence and all we have are copies which our different translations come from. So when I speak of completed scriptures I do not refer to the translations which have undergone many revisions and will probably still continue to be revised.

ozell · Nov 28, 2011

jiggyfly said:
Ozell have you ever looked at the Greek manuscripts? Your synopsis is errant, HolySpirit is not the Word of God.

There is a difference between Pneuma and logos they are not the same entity.

J

let the speakers of greek look at the greek manual scripts, let the speaker of english look at the english manual script.

who told you that we need to look at the greek manual script for understanding?

if you had read the english for understanding you would have known that God's word is another name for spirit

lets read

John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+6:62-64&version=KJV

ozell · Nov 28, 2011

So, let’s recap what we have just learn.

In the 1st verse of Acts chapter 2 we see the Disciples observing the day of Pentecost.

Notice they continued to keep the High Sabbaths after the death and the ascension of the Lord.

If an individual call them self a follower of Christ one should also observer this day along with the other High and Holy Days.

In the second verse we saw the angels come into the house.

In the third verse the angles took the form of cloven tongues of fire, and sat by each one of them.

In the fourth verse the angels gave them the word of God and they spoke it with boldness.

Now, that we see that the words spoken by the apostles was a language that was understood clearly, let’s see what our beloved brother Paul have to say about this subject.

We will begin in the 14th chapter of first Corinthians at the first verse.

Pay close attention to the first verse!

jiggyfly · Nov 28, 2011

ozell said:
J

let the speakers of greek look at the greek manual scripts, let the speaker of english look at the english manual script.

who told you that we need to look at the greek manual script for understanding?

if you had read the english for understanding you would have known that God's word is another name for spirit

lets read

John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+6:62-64&version=KJV

Put that in context with what Jesus said in the previous chapter.

"You search the Scriptures because you think they give you eternal life. But the Scriptures point to me! Yet you refuse to come to me to receive this life.

Do you believe one can gain life by obtaining bible?

ozell · Nov 28, 2011

Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy. (1 Corinthians 14:1)

Note what Paul says, "but rather that ye may prophesy."

What did Peter do in Acts 2?

He prophesied and gave those that were in the assembly edification!

Let’s continue.

For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

(1 Corinthians 14:2)

Note Paul states, "he that speak in an unknown tongue speak not to men but to God."

What could Paul mean by this?

ozell · Nov 28, 2011

Let’s go to Genesis chapter eleven and find out.

And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech. And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there. And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them thoroughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter. And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth. And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men build. And the Lord said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech. So the Lord scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city. Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the Lord did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the Lord scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth

(Genesis 11:1-9)

ozell · Nov 28, 2011

Ahhhh, now we should understand what Paul meant when He stated, "He that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, for no man understandeth him."

Paul simply meant, "he that speaks in a language that is not known to the individual that is being spoken to, will not understand what’s being said.

We will see this more perfectly as we continue in the 14th chapter of first Corinthians.

jiggyfly · Nov 28, 2011

ozell said:
Ahhhh, now we should understand what Paul meant when He stated, "He that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, for no man understandeth him."

Paul simply meant, "he that speaks in a language that is not known to the individual that is being spoken to, will not understand what’s being said.

We will see this more perfectly as we continue in the 14th chapter of first Corinthians.

Why did you leave out or ignore the "but unto God" part of the scripture???

ozell · Nov 28, 2011

jiggyfly said:
Put that in context with what Jesus said in the previous chapter.

"You search the Scriptures because you think they give you eternal life. But the Scriptures point to me! Yet you refuse to come to me to receive this life.

Do you believe one can gain life by obtaining bible?

where are God's words located?

if you don't read the bible how are you going to know what Jesus said.

I gave you the verse did you read it?

Jesus said his word is spirit and life

[URL="javascript:{}"]John 6:63[/URL]
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Jesus said search the scriptures the scriptures are Genesis to Malachi

lets read some

Deuteronomy 30

11For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.

12It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?

13Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do
it?
 14But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it. 

15See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil; 
16In that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.

19I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live: 
20That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.

Paul confirms the scriptures

Romans 10:7-9
7Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)


8But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

God's word is life.

where do we find God's word?

ozell · Nov 28, 2011

jiggyfly said:
Why did you leave out or ignore the "but unto God" part of the scripture???

go back to post 47 and read it

I disappointed that you are not paying attention

jiggyfly · Nov 28, 2011

ozell said:
where are God's words located?

if you don't read the bible how are you going to know what Jesus said.

I gave you the verse did you read it?

Jesus said his word is spirit and life

[URL="javascript:{}"]John 6:63[/URL]
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Jesus said search the scriptures the scriptures are Genesis to Malachi

lets read some

Deuteronomy 30

11For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.

12It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?

13Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do
it?
 14But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it. 

15See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil; 
16In that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.

19I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live: 
20That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.

Paul confirms the scriptures

Romans 10:7-9
7Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)


8But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

God's word is life.

where do we find God's word?

Have you heard of HolySpirit, well that's how. I was born again before I had ever had or read a bible.

1 Long ago God spoke many times and in many ways to our ancestors through the prophets.2 And now in these final days, he has spoken to us through his Son. God promised everything to the Son as an inheritance, and through the Son he created the universe.3 The Son radiates God’s own glory and expresses the very character of God, and he sustains everything by the mighty power of his command. When he had cleansed us from our sins, he sat down in the place of honor at the right hand of the majestic God in heaven.4 This shows that the Son is far greater than the angels, just as the name God gave him is greater than their names.
Heb 1:1-4 (NLT)

1 In the beginning the Word already existed.

The Word was with God,

and the Word was God.
2 He existed in the beginning with God.
3 God created everything through him,

and nothing was created except through him.
4 The Word gave life to everything that was created,

and his life brought light to everyone.
John 1:1-4 (NLT)

Surely you don't believe that this is referring to the scriptures and or the bible.

jiggyfly · Nov 28, 2011

ozell said:
go back to post 47 and read it

I disappointed that you are not paying attention

OK maybe I jumped the gun a little, hopefully you will disclose your interpretation of what "but unto God" means in this scripture in your next post. I will wait and see.

ozell · Nov 28, 2011

jiggyfly said:
Have you heard of HolySpirit, well that's how. I was born again before I had ever had or read a bible.

1 Long ago God spoke many times and in many ways to our ancestors through the prophets.2 And now in these final days, he has spoken to us through his Son. God promised everything to the Son as an inheritance, and through the Son he created the universe.3 The Son radiates God’s own glory and expresses the very character of God, and he sustains everything by the mighty power of his command. When he had cleansed us from our sins, he sat down in the place of honor at the right hand of the majestic God in heaven.4 This shows that the Son is far greater than the angels, just as the name God gave him is greater than their names.
Heb 1:1-4 (NLT)

1 In the beginning the Word already existed.

The Word was with God,

and the Word was God.
2 He existed in the beginning with God.
3 God created everything through him,

and nothing was created except through him.
4 The Word gave life to everything that was created,

and his life brought light to everyone.
John 1:1-4 (NLT)

Surely you don't believe that this is referring to the scriptures and or the bible.

J

is the verse quoted above Jesus or the Holy Ghost?

is this Jesus or the Holy Ghost Paul speaks of here in Colossians

Colossians 1
13Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

14In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for
him:

17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 
19For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

lets look at the Job of the Holy Ghost and see if he fits your doctrine

John 14:26

But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+14:25-27&version=KJVthe Holy ghost only speaks what Jesus tell him, Jesus has to say it first.

so how is it that you know something from the holy ghost before Jesus said it?

if we go with your doctrine you must answer why is the holy ghost the creator of all things being sent by Jesus and only can speak what Jesus tell him

John 15:26
But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

your doctrine don't work in this lesson.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+15:25-27&version=KJV

ozell · Nov 28, 2011

jiggyfly said:
OK maybe I jumped the gun a little, hopefully you will disclose your interpretation of what "but unto God" means in this scripture in your next post. I will wait and see.

I have no ideal on what you are talking about.

what is your point or answer to the lesson.

we know God understand all languages he created them.

ozell · Nov 28, 2011

Let’s take another look at the 1 Corinthians 14:2.

For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. (1 Corinthians 14:2)

Note what Paul states at the end of this verse, "howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries." Remember, the subject is speaking to someone in a language that’s not known to the individual that is listening. The word spirit in this verse is the key.

Note Paul states that God understands what’s being said because God changed their language (Gen 11:9).

So, what does Paul mean by all this?

let’s read further and see if we can figure this out.

ozell · Nov 28, 2011

But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort. He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church. (1 Corinthians 14:3-4)

Paul states in verses two, "he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries."

In the two verses above we have a little more information.

Paul states in the 4th verse, "He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself!"

in other words, if an individual speaks in a foreign language (or tongue) to another individual, the person that is speaking imparts wisdom to him or herself, not the individual who is listening.

Therefore the words uttered are a mystery (something not understood) to the person who is in an earshot. Let’s continue in this chapter.

ozell · Nov 28, 2011

I would that ye all spake with tongues; but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying. Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?
1 Corinthians 14:5-6

Note what Paul says, "I would that ye all spake with tongues; but, rather ye prophesied for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret".

Thus if there is no interpreter, the language spoken will not profit the hearer. Remember, Paul is the Apostle to the Gentiles.

So, being that Paul was a Hebrew Israelite and his native tongue
(or language) was Hebrew, he interpreted the word of God in the Corinthian’s natural tongue.

Thus he edified the church.

ozell · Nov 28, 2011

In the next few verses Paul gives examples of some things that gives clear and unmistakable illustrations, and if the warning is not understood its sound is good for nothing.

And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped? For if the trumpets give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle? (I Corinthians 14:7-8)

PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO THE NEXT THREE VERSES!

So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air. There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification. Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me. (I Corinthians 14:9-11)

Welcome!

Speaking in Tongues: A Sign for Nonbelievers

Member

Member

Member

Member

Member

Member

Member

Member

Member

Member

Member

Member

Member

Member

Member

Member

Member

Member

Member

Member

Members Online

Trending content

Newest members

Community Stats