With No Expectations

[El Hombre viejo]

Exactly, what you receive is directly related to and proportionate to what you have sown.

Directly proportionate to how you believe. 30 60 100 fold

The thing is We dont give to receive. We give to be a blessing. We know that GOD will give us more seed to sow. We expect that seed sow we can sow it to be a blessing. We know that GOD will give.......

When I was a brand new shiny Christian I always heard "You cannot outgive GOD" It sure is fun trying! LOL

 

[jiggyfly]

Directly proportionate to how you believe. 30 60 100 fold

Well that's not what the scripture says, the parable of the sower is explained by Christ and the 30, 60 , 100 is found there concerning sowing the Word and not the giving talked about elsewhere. It is good to keep things in context so they won't be misunderstood.

The thing is We dont give to receive. We give to be a blessing. We know that GOD will give us more seed to sow. We expect that seed sow we can sow it to be a blessing. We know that GOD will give.......

When I was a brand new shiny Christian I always heard "You cannot outgive GOD" It sure is fun trying! LOL

This is something that I very much agree with and it is much more wise to store up your treasure in Heaven.

 

[El Hombre viejo]

Well that's not what the scripture says, the parable of the sower is explained by Christ and the 30, 60 , 100 is found there concerning sowing the Word and not the giving talked about elsewhere. It is good to keep things in context so they won't be misunderstood.



This is something that I very much agree with and it is much more wise to store up your treasure in Heaven.

The parable applies to sowing

When a farmer puts in a seed he takes a harvest. Does the harvest return only one seed? Or many?

Pray about this Jigger. Ask FATHER See what HE says You might be very pleasantly surprised

 

[Thiscrosshurts]

He's expecting something different from what he planted? He planted wheat and expects oranges? No. He expects a bumper crop of WHEAT.

If you plant an orange seed you get fruit and more seed.
So my expectation would be that I plant a lesser thing to reap a greater thing.It's about quality as well as quantity.

John 12:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

Matthew 6:3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth
Matthew 6:4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.

The reward may something better than that which was given.

Luke 16:9 And I say unto you, Make to yourselves friends of the mammon of unrighteousness; that, when ye fail, they may receive you into everlasting habitations.

Kind of sounds like trading earthly for spiritual benefits.

 

[jiggyfly]

The parable applies to sowing

When a farmer puts in a seed he takes a harvest. Does the harvest return only one seed? Or many?

Pray about this Jigger. Ask FATHER See what HE says You might be very pleasantly surprised

Go back and re read it and read Jesus' explanation of the parable.

 

[El Hombre viejo]

If you plant an orange seed you get fruit and more seed.
So my expectation would be that I plant a lesser thing to reap a greater thing.It's about quality as well as quantity.

John 12:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

Matthew 6:3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth
Matthew 6:4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.

The reward may something better than that which was given.

Luke 16:9 And I say unto you, Make to yourselves friends of the mammon of unrighteousness; that, when ye fail, they may receive you into everlasting habitations.

Kind of sounds like trading earthly for spiritual benefits.

I'm sorry TCH I find your reasoning is rather mystical. Instead of coming at a subject head on you seem to be coming from a different angle that I dont understand. I see the WORD and that's what I believe. I don't try to 'interpret it, or translate it. Thus I get lost


We plant the seeds we have. Why? To bless others.

 

[Brighthouse]

Thanks so much Jiggyfly,and to ElHombre viego for the great discussion! Coming out from the Word of faith movement myself I had to learn the hard way about what brother Jiggyfly was indeed saying! I like you ElHombre viego could not be told different! Until one day! matt 6:19-24 jumped out at me!Then! to confirm this Please look at 1 Kings 18:4 the prophets of God were in a cave!! What they could not believe for a better lifestyle??

These were not just people by the fifties, but prophets of our Living God!! being fed bread and water in of all places a cave! SO!! matt 6:19-24 became a real eye opener for me brother!! In time, you will understand as I had to. I know how you feel about this subject!!

Dear Lord No one could tell me different either!! I had to learn the hard way myself,I pray you my good brother never have to! Thanks again Jiggyfly for the Lord in you!! Blessing all!

 

[El Hombre viejo]

Go back and re read it and read Jesus' explanation of the parable.

Actually I did Right after I read this post of yours. In actuallit the chapter, the parable, was about faith. After JESUS gave that teaching and discussed it with HIS disciples they got into the boat. The storm came up and even though Jesus had taught all the disciples all they needed to overcome the problem, they all forgot what they had learned. The WORD fell on shallow soil?

 

[jiggyfly]

Actually I did Right after I read this post of yours. In actuallit the chapter, the parable, was about faith. After JESUS gave that teaching and discussed it with HIS disciples they got into the boat. The storm came up and even though Jesus had taught all the disciples all they needed to overcome the problem, they all forgot what they had learned. The WORD fell on shallow soil?

I'm failing to see faith mentioned in the parable, perhaps your reading a different translation, if so which are you reading and could you please post it here?

 

[El Hombre viejo]

I'm failing to see faith mentioned in the parable, perhaps your reading a different translation, if so which are you reading and could you please post it here?

Which version of the story did you read? Did you try Luke. I normally use the KJV bible

 

[jiggyfly]

Which version of the story did you read? Did you try Luke. I normally use the KJV bible

Yes, I looked at all three accounts,Matt., Mark, and Luke.

Here is the Luke account in KJV.
4 And when much people were gathered together, and were come to him out of every city, he spake by a parable: 5 A sower went out to sow his seed: and as he sowed, some fell by the way side; and it was trodden down, and the fowls of the air devoured it. 6 And some fell upon a rock; and as soon as it was sprung up, it withered away, because it lacked moisture. 7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprang up with it, and choked it. 8 And other fell on good ground, and sprang up, and bare fruit an hundredfold. And when he had said these things, he cried, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear. 9 And his disciples asked him, saying, What might this parable be? 10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand. 11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. 13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away. 14 And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection. 15 But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.
Luke 8:4-15 (KJV)

 

[will]

After a long and drawn out discussion with family, I pass on this challenge.

Please show me in the Word where we are to give with no expectation of return.

Nowhere!
When we give (our time/resource/knowledge) We are to expect:

1. Rewards from God per Luke 6:35 "But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked." We are to expect nothing from the enemy, but reward from God.

2. Saved souls (this in itself is a cause for rejoicing according to Luke 15:7, thus a form of reward)

A mature Christian gives out of the abundance of joy that can only be experienced when we start seeing things God's way, not our human-nature way.

How else would we be able to give cheerfully?
Have you ever give anything to anyone with a cheerful heart if you think nothing will come out of the giving?

Teaching that Christians ought not to expect anything for their giving is to teach humanistic-altruism, which can only lead to pride and whatever pride brings forth to a human mind and heart ('kardia' in Greek).

 

[Miss Elly]

FYI, I added to my earlier post.

Well do I need to expect God to keep His word in order for Him to keep His word? Does God need to be held accountable by us in order for Him to do what is promised?
If I give and don't expect anything in return does that mean that God won't keep His promise?

Sorry JiggyFly, you sound just a tad bitter here. And yes I do expect God to keep his word because he said he would and he cannot lie. God needing to be held accountable by us in order for Him to do what is promised isthe most foolish statement I have ever heard in my life. you're really off base here.

 

[El Hombre viejo]

Sorry JiggyFly, you sound just a tad bitter here. And yes I do expect God to keep his word because he said he would and he cannot lie. God needing to be held accountable by us in order for Him to do what is promised isthe most foolish statement I have ever heard in my life. you're really off base here.

Right on!! If GOD said it you can take it to the bank.

 

[David777]

Hello JiggyFly.

Take it on the chin, my heart goes out to you my brother in Christ.

 

[Brother Mike]

giving...........

How else would we be able to give cheerfully?
Have you ever give anything to anyone with a cheerful heart if you think nothing will come out of the giving?

Paying someones bill and watching the cheerful look and just see that weight drop off them is awesome!! It's truly better to give than to receive.

With that in mind however, to not expect a greater return would be lack of faith, and disobedience to the Word of God.

If your not a sower, don't expect financial break through from God, if your disobedient, don't expect to eat the good of the land.

Sowing and reaping harvest go in hand with doing, and being where God called you to be.

Job 36:11 If they obey and serve Him, they shall spend their days in prosperity and their years in pleasantness and joy.

If you continue to struggle, If you just can never do what you would like to do for the kingdom because it's not there, if you make excuses as to why your situation won't allow certain things.

It's you, not God......... otherwise, the scripture above and many others are wrong, and that can never be the case.


Jesus Is Lord.

 

[Kit Carson]

Sorry JiggyFly, you sound just a tad bitter here. And yes I do expect God to keep his word because he said he would and he cannot lie. God needing to be held accountable by us in order for Him to do what is promised isthe most foolish statement I have ever heard in my life. you're really off base here.

At the risk of putting meaning to words, I look at it the same. To better explain it ......

God takes care of us before we ask. We do not have to ask him or expect things in return for a good work. It is wrong to expect a return or demand a return for a good work.

A good deed or a good work done by us, is to be done from the heart and for the right reason, when I do this I do not expect some great miracle or to become financially independent or win the lottery.
I think to give and expect a return is wrong. In the human way of looking at things.

Kinda like you go to church and the preacher is hawking for money and tells all that if you give you will receive ten fold the financial return. That kind of thing puts us on the human level, and into our own greed and expectation.

Gifts of God are not always about financial means, just the joy and smile from a person whom you help is a gift in itself.

What I am trying to say, is yes we can expect God to take care of us, and to return things, but to demand these things or to do a good work under the idea of expectation is wrong. To do a good work from the heart and not worry about any return is the right thing.

Does it really matter if you receive something in return? Are we to help others with expectation of return? To do them with a demand of a return corrupts the entire theme of giving with the right intent and to just do so simply out of compassion.

God knows each heart, and their situation and some can give more, some can give less, some cannot give at all as their present life status is in survival mode themselves, and if one in survival mode does give, they are not going to become instantly rich the next day, but they have the inner peace and blessing of doing what they could to help another person in need.

Hope I said that all right.

Kit