Casting out demons?

[philosopher]

I was wondering, do all born again believers have the authority in Jesus' name to cast out demons, or is this only possible to accomplish once a person has received the baptism in the Holy Spirit?

And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out demons; they shall speak with new tongues - Mark 16:17

In the book of Acts, everyone who received the Holy Spirit immediately spoke in other tongues, and it does mention casting out demons above too.

Thanks again for the help, glad to have found a knowledgeable community!

 

[Brother Mike]

WoW.

This will Depend on who you ask. We now have a topic. "Once you get saved, are you filled with Power on High?" That is a whole other thread right there.

Well, those that think they have the Holy Spirit already, and don't even know about tongues have very little power in their life. They will quote scripture, and my hope is that they "Get it" someday.

So, it's best to ask those of us that are Spirit filled and do speak in Tongues and have had to cast out a devil or two.

Lets look at a scripture or two.
Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;


Certainly the Tongues would come in being filled with the Power of the Holy Spirit. The Other condition is to believe on the name of Jesus, and believe that when you speak to a devil, they obey.

Remember the disciples asked.... "Why could we not cast this one out?" Well, asking why tells you something, and Jesus said it. Oh ye of little faith.

I hear all the time... I rebuked the devil 9 times. He still don't leave. Well, you don't qualify, you don't know who you are, You don't know the power of the Name of Jesus, and you don't believe. Faith and revelation in this area is essential, and seeking God about these things, being ready, is far better than trying to grasp it when you need to know.

The name of Jesus carries authority. Faith in the Name of Jesus would be more than enough, without being filled with the Holy Spirit.

We are also told if we believe in that name, we can lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. Recover does not mean instantly healed always, but they will recover. The person your laying hands on also needs to be in agreement.

There is also the Holy Spirit Gifts of Healing. I have seen this in operation, with amazing and instant results.

One very important thing to remember.

Devils have a right, and place to be on Earth. They are everywhere, like roaches. I have only had once instance where the Lord asked me to cast one out. I certainly seen lots more times when I would have liked to kick the devil out, but did not act.

Why?

Because it's not something that comes up a lot, where the person with the devil actually wants delivered. I always wait on the Holy Spirit to direct my action in this area. Without the Holy Spirits direction in this matter, your not going to get the results you would like.

Remember, Paul waited 3 days before casting that spirit out of that women following him around. Why? She was extremely annoying. Certainly Paul had the power in him to do so. I fully believe he also waited on direction from the Lord before taking action.

Jesus Is Lord.

 

[philosopher]

Well, those that think they have the Holy Spirit already, and don't even know about tongues have very little power in their life. They will quote scripture, and my hope is that they "Get it" someday.

So, it's best to ask those of us that are Spirit filled and do speak in Tongues and have had to cast out a devil or two.

I'm a bit confused here, because all believers receive the Holy Spirit when they genuinely receive Jesus and accept him as Lord and Saviour. The baptism of the Holy Spirit is a gift and a later experience but I would agree that a Christians power is limited until they receive it.

Certainly the Tongues would come in being filled with the Power of the Holy Spirit. The Other condition is to believe on the name of Jesus, and believe that when you speak to a devil, they obey.

Good point because without faith we cannot impress God at all. And all demons will tremble at the name of Jesus. But this scripture just popped up into my head:

And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye? - Acts 19:15

The name of Jesus carries authority. Faith in the Name of Jesus would be more than enough, without being filled with the Holy Spirit.

Amen mate, I need to remember this!

We are also told if we believe in that name, we can lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. Recover does not mean instantly healed always, but they will recover. The person your laying hands on also needs to be in agreement.

Doesn't faith also play a large part on if God will go through with the healing? Although I know that sometimes a healing could create the foundation of how faith flourisheth in the first place.

There is also the Holy Spirit Gifts of Healing. I have seen this in operation, with amazing and instant results.

Yeah, but do you think people actually possess a gift of healing, or does the Holy Spirit just manifest on certain disciples when God wants them to be healed?

Devils have a right, and place to be on Earth. They are everywhere, like roaches.

I definitely believe this with the vile state of this fallen world.

Because it's not something that comes up a lot, where the person with the devil actually wants delivered. I always wait on the Holy Spirit to direct my action in this area. Without the Holy Spirits direction in this matter, your not going to get the results you would like.

A demon of lust is a good example here. Many people are satisfied in their sexual perversions, and don't want to quit watching porn (for ex.) and this gives the demons legal rights.

Thanks for another helpful answer.

 

[B-A-C]

philosopher: I'm a bit confused here, because all believers receive the Holy Spirit when they genuinely receive Jesus and accept him as Lord and Saviour. The baptism of the Holy Spirit is a gift and a later experience but I would agree that a Christians power is limited until they receive it.

Do you have any scripture to validate this? When Jesus was on the Earth, the Holy Spirit wasn't yet given to us. John 7:39, John 16:7
When the Holy Spirit fell at Pentecost (Acts 2) this was the first time anyone had received the Holy Spirit. Indeed in Acts 19:2 some believers had never heard of the Holy Spirit (because it wasn't yet given while Jesus was on the Earth)

After this time, can you give any scripture that says receiving the Holy Spirit and being baptized with it are two separate things? I know Pentecostals believe they are two different things, but I have yet to see a scripture supporting it.

 

[lioncub]

Acts 11:
15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.
16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?

Summary of the terms that Peter uses to describe the same event !

1. "the Holy Ghost fell on them" (Acts 11:15)
2. "baptized with the Holy Ghost" (Acts 11:16)
3. "...the like gift as he did unto us" (Acts 11:17)
4. "Received the Holy Ghost as well as we" (Acts 10:47)
5. "...poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 10:45)

I hope the reader can appreciate the many different terms that Peter uses to describe the one and only event of receiving the Holy Spirit.

 

[Brother Mike]

The Holy Spirit.

B-A-C

philosopher: I'm a bit confused here, because all believers receive the Holy Spirit when they genuinely receive Jesus and accept him as Lord and Saviour. The baptism of the Holy Spirit is a gift and a later experience but I would agree that a Christians power is limited until they receive it.

Once again, this is a whole new thread. Jesus came into this World Born again. A new creature, created by the Word, as we are born of the Word.

He did not come into this World with Power from the Holy Spirit though, John Baptized him in the power of the Holy Spirit, even though he was already Born again, saved.

When He received that Power, he said I am Anointed!!! Miracles now Started.

We can not just skip steps our Lord did not skip, we are not greater than him nor special. We receive Jesus as our Lord, and get born again, we then are able to receive the Holy Spirit with power.

When Born again, we are sealed by the Holy Spirit, it's the Work of the Holy Spirit. To be filled with power of the Holy Spirit God must be our father. God's Spirit will not enter into a unclean temple not washed by the Blood.

Luk 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?


Now many believe when they make Jesus their Lord, that is all the Holy Spirit there is to get.

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philosopher

Doesn't faith also play a large part on if God will go through with the healing? Although I know that sometimes a healing could create the foundation of how faith flourisheth in the first place.

It does, when I lay hands on someone that is sick, I tell them they will be healed. It's not my faith, I just believe what God said. Do all get healed? NO...... Do all get Born again when Hearing the Word? NO

My part is to just believe what God said. I lay hands on the sick, they recover. I anoint someone with oil, God will rise them up and their sins forgiven.

I have seen some awesome things, and God has used me in some awesome things, I got to a point where I would say my faith is great, my faith is that, My, My, MY.......... that can lead to error. The truth is, I have no ability to heal anyone, what we can do is agree with God, and believe what he said, stepping out boldly. The Lord is the one that confirms his word with signs. Our part is just to believe, a deliver the message, it's God's part to enforce the contents of that message with Power.

Yeah, but do you think people actually possess a gift of healing, or does the Holy Spirit just manifest on certain disciples when God wants them to be healed?

Certain Ministry positions like Apostles, and Prophets, Evangelist, Often have this gift manifest by the will of the Holy Spirit. It's not their gift to use when they want. I don't know anyone who stays constantly anointed with this Gift. Anyone however can be used with this gift at anytime. The Best gift is the one that is needed, and who has faith to operate it.

Any believe can still lay hands on the sick, who believe in Jesus though with amazing results at times. A lot of amazing healing though occurs over time, the people get stronger and stronger until there is no trace of their condition. They believe God through the pain, and trouble. I have seen this more often, than instant healing.

I also see instant healing in New babes in Christ, or the unsaved, I come to learn that those of us that have known God for awhile, need to get in our Word, Stand, and believe.

Instant Miracles is used to get things back on track, we should live a life of being consistent, not a life of having to be constantly saved by miracles.

Jesus Is Lord.

 

[John Zain]

Well, those that think they have the Holy Spirit already, and don't even know about tongues
have very little power in their life.
They will quote scripture, and my hope is that they "Get it" someday.
So, it's best to ask those of us that are Spirit filled and do speak in Tongues and have had to cast out a devil or two.

It is my opinion that:
-- all born-again believers have the authority to cast out demons (but it takes a lot of faith)
-- the baptism with the Holy Spirit should be viewed as a special ANOINTING by Jesus Himself
-- those having this baptism have a lot more spiritual power to cast out demons, etc.
-- the gift of tongues is only 1 of the 9 major spiritual gifts (1 Cor 12)
-- these 9 are available (in any powerful way) ONLY to those having this baptism
-- tongues do not have to be used while casting out demons

I.E. I do not have the gift of tongues, but have cast out demons.

P.S. It is critical that a strong gift of faith be used in conjunction with the other gifts such as miracles, healing, etc.

 

[Brother Mike]

Tongues, devils, and the Holy Spirit.

-- all born-again believers have the authority to cast out demons (but it takes a lot of faith)

I think from a devils point of view is you really don't have to go, if you really don't have to go. Your hold is the factor of fear over someone, that gives you the place to stay.

I don't know how many post I have seen where people say they tried over and over to cast some spook out of their house, and say it won't leave. I spoke in the name of Jesus, and nothing happened.

Nothing happened huh? Rocket science is not needed here to figure out the issue.

Even so, I could care less if doors bang shut on their own, or something moves across the room. Granted, I don't see that a lot, but I have.

My last real encounter was a few years ago, I just got into bed, and stretched out when something big, black, sort of human shape but fat sat on my legs.
What the Heck? Pretty odd for a devil to be acting that way, and why show up in the first place?

I was not hurting in anyway, but it had my legs pinned as I just looked at this thing. I was just going to roll over and ignore it.

I then said to it... Hey, you got about .5 seconds to get off me or I will use the name of Jesus and embarrass you in front of all your other acquaintances.

BAM!! He was outta there. That quick.

Devils are everywhere, and no need to be afraid or moved by them. It's that fear connection where we become powerless to do anything.

Jesus Is Lord.

 

[B-A-C]

We see that Stephen did miracles.. he wasn't one of the 12 apostles. (13 if you count Paul)
In the great commission, ( Mark 16:17 ) it says those who believe will cast out demons. (Doesn't mention only the apostles here either, and if it did, that means none of us are called to evangelize).
Jesus himself said greater things than these (things I did) you will do to ANYone who believes ( John 14:12 )
again, not just the apostles. Jesus certainly cast out demons.

 

[philosopher]

It is
-- the gift of tongues is only 1 of the 9 major spiritual gifts (1 Cor 12)
-- these 9 are available (in any powerful way) ONLY to those having this baptism
-- tongues do not have to be used while casting out demons

I.E. I do not have the gift of tongues, but have cast out demons.

From my understanding of the scriptures, the nine spiritual gifts mentioned in Corinthians, are for the edifying of the church, and tongues are often followed by another brother or sister with the interpretation. However, the initial sign of the Holy Spirit baptism, seems to be tongues as evidenced in the book of Acts, to strengthen their personal walk with the Lord, and to have God directly intercede on your behalf.

 

[John Zain]

From my understanding of the scriptures, the nine spiritual gifts mentioned in Corinthians,
are for the edifying of the church, and tongues are often followed by another brother or sister
with the interpretation.
However, the initial sign of the Holy Spirit baptism, seems to be tongues as evidenced in the book of Acts, to strengthen their personal walk with the Lord,
and to have God directly intercede on your behalf.

The Lord has been sending evangelists all over the world preaching the "full gospel",
which means (according to Paul) that the gospel is accompanied by signs and wonders.
This has been happening around the world to help non-believers to believe the gospel
... much more than in the USA, which used to be a Christian country.

 

[philosopher]

Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. - 1 Corinthians 14:22

Just explain to the skeptic about the gift of tongues, and it will be enough for him to question his atheistic world view. People all over the world, from all walks of life, speaking in the same undecipherable tongue (minus the church spiritual gift) and all have accepted the Lord Jesus. It would be pretty hard to flatly reject this and claim a coincidence or that they're making it up.

 

[lioncub]

It is my opinion that:
-- the baptism with the Holy Spirit should be viewed as a special ANOINTING by Jesus Himself
-- those having this baptism have a lot more spiritual power to cast out demons, etc.

Baptism with the Holy Spirit is not a special or extra anointing, it is the ONE and ONLY anointing that happens to a believer !! Let me put this another way, baptism with the Holy Spirit happens to a believer who has never received the Holy Spirit before.

 

[John Zain]

Baptism with the Holy Spirit is not a special or extra anointing, it is the ONE and ONLY anointing that happens to a believer !!
Let me put this another way, baptism with the Holy Spirit happens to a believer
who has never received the Holy Spirit before.

There have been at least 2 threads here which explain all of this:
--- Do you believe in the 4 Christian baptisms?
--- Baptism in the Holy Spirit

With born-again salvation, the Holy Spirit ALWAYS comes INSIDE the person.
With HS baptism anointing, the Holy Spirit ALWAYS comes UPON the person.

Sometimes "baptism with the Holy Spirit" and "speaking in tongues" are in the same verse!
This experience has nothing to do with being born again.

If the 2 threads are no longer available, I can re-post the information.
Is anyone interested?

 

[philosopher]

Hi John, I agree with you about them being two separate experiences; but feel free to post the scriptures if you'd like. It could help to clarify this truth to some people who are on the fence.

 

[Kit Carson]

It is all about faith. And confidence in your faith grants you authority.

Matthew 17:19-20 says it in simple understanding.

We are all human, we do fear, we do have times of doubt, we do need help and a bit of moral support.

We believe but are not just sure, and fear of the unknown causes concern.

Most likely why Paul waited for God to speak to him in those matters.

I see pretenders casting out demons and telling others they have a demon.......had a preacher tell me I am a demon......Lol! He really did not understand my sense of humor.....you demon you........Ha!

I am simply grateful that God keeps such things away from me. Much of this I do not understand, about all I do understand is if God ever asks me to do this, I will need moral support, Yes Sir, OK, but how about you holding my hand.

I think it is all about faith.

Kit

 

[Brother Mike]

I have faith in my prayer.

We use to say, I have faith in my prayer, God heard it, it's done. No need to pray anymore about that subject.

We also use to say, I doubt, doubt.

Now people get in trouble when they take Mark 11:23 and use it anyway they want.

I have what I say, what I say will come to pass.

I don't want to take away from Jesus, Jesus did say if you believe something and say it, it's going to happen. Good or bad.

What I want to address is that we can't have faith, for something we have not heard.

Like Paul, why did not Paul cast that devil out of that women sooner. She followed him around yelling, this is a man of the most High God. I would have at least knocked her out and left her.

It's not because Paul did not understand a few things about his authority, and anointing. I Think he waited on direction from God.

If you don't hear something, you can't act on it. That is why I don't act unless I hear from the Holy Spirit. God certainly will not forget to tell us something.

Faith: Being part of the Word of Faith bunch, we use to name and claim anything we so desired. Based on what? If I don't hear God on it, then I don't need to have faith for it.

If my faith can't get it, I don't need to have it. Faith comes by hearing, and if I don't see it in the Word, or Hear it. I don't need it.

Jesus Is Lord.

 

[John Zain]

Hi John, I agree with you about them being two separate experiences;
but feel free to post the scriptures if you'd like.
It could help to clarify this truth to some people who are on the fence.

Let's ask Brother Mike if the 2 threads I mentioned can still be accessed.
If not, I can re-post the info.

 

[John Zain]

From my understanding of the scriptures,
the nine spiritual gifts mentioned in Corinthians, are for the edifying of the church,
and tongues are often followed by another brother or sister with the interpretation.
However, the initial sign of the Holy Spirit baptism,
seems to be tongues as evidenced in the book of Acts, to strengthen their personal walk
with the Lord, and to have God directly intercede on your behalf.

Yes, I agree with all of this, except this baptism is given by Jesus Himself for many different reasons.
It is always given as an anointing ... with the Holy Spirit coming UPON the person (not inside).
Some believers receive it for special public ministry,
and ...
some believers receive it for special private ministry (intercessors, prayer warriors, etc.).