How The Devil/Satan Deceiveth The Whole World

[bro.tan]

The sun was the main god of the heathen even back as far as ancient <st1:City w:st="on"><st1lace w:st="on">Babylon</st1lace></st1:City>. Since they worshiped the sun on Sunday, the compromising church leaders could see that if they changed the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday, it would accomplish several things.

Number one - it would separate them from the Jews who were hated by many of the Romans and who, along with Jesus, (Luke 4:16), had been worshiping on Saturday from the beginning (and still do today). Number two - it would make it much easier for the pagans to come into the church if the Christians met on the same day that the pagan world did.
It worked well. Pagans flocked in by the thousands. Satan's plan of compromise was doing its baleful work. The change was attempted gradually but many of the true hearted, loyal Christians were alarmed. They came to the leaders and wanted to know why they had dared tamper with the law of Almighty God! The church leaders knew this would happen - and they had an answer ready. It's a masterpiece. If a person doesn't know the bible well it sounds good.
The people were told that they were worshiping on Sunday now because Jesus rose from the dead on that day.

There's not even one verse in the Bible that tells us to do this, but that's what they were told. Isn't it amazing! Maybe you've even heard that yourself!
When Emperor Constantine became a Christian, Christianity became the state religion you remember. As thousands of sun-worshipers flocked into the church, it wasn't long before they had a dominating influence. Most of his top officials had been sun-worshipers. Because the Roman government was getting shaky, <st1:City w:st="on">Constantine</st1:City> consulted with his aides and with the church officials in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1lace w:st="on">Rome</st1lace></st1:City>.

"What shall we do? How can we unite and stabilize the government?"
The counsel of the church leaders was timely.
"Pass a Sunday law. Force everyone to cease work and honor Sunday."

That was it! It would satisfy the sun-worshiping pagans, and unite pagans, Christians, and the <st1lace w:st="on">Roman Empire</st1lace> as never before.
The year is 321 A.D. Constantine, yielding to the suggestion of church leaders passes the first Sunday law! Here it is, straight out of the record:
"Let all the judges and town people, and the occupation of all trades rest on the venerable day of the sun" Edict of March 7, 321 A.D. Corpus Juris Civilis Cod., lib. 3, tit. 12, Lex. 3.

Jesus said in (Mat.7:21) "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven". For students to succeed in school, students learn to follow their teachers' instructions, and learn their lessons carefully. But few apply this method when they are dealing with the word of God. Is Jesus your Lord? Then why don’t you do the things he says. (Luke 6:46) "And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say"? He told the world plainly: In (Ex 20:8-10) (v.8) Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. (v.9) Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: (v.10) "But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God".

 

[David777]

Jesus said in (Mat.7:21) "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven". For students to succeed in school, students learn to follow their teachers' instructions, and learn their lessons carefully. But few apply this method when they are dealing with the word of God. Is Jesus your Lord? Then why don’t you do the things he says. (Luke 6:46) "And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say"? He told the world plainly: In (Ex 20:8-10) (v.8) Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. (v.9) Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: (v.10) "But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God".

Hello bro.tan.

There seems to be a number of errors in your post.

One in particular " He told the world plainly: In (Ex 20:8-10) (v.8) Remember the Sabbath day,"

This is not what the scripture states, God did not tell
the world plainly. God told the people of Israel plainly.
The festivals, new moon and sabbaths were components
of the old covenant. This old covenant was between God
and Israel, this is what the Bible states.

 

[bro.tan]

Hello bro.tan.

There seems to be a number of errors in your post.

One in particular " He told the world plainly: In (Ex 20:8-10) (v.8) Remember the Sabbath day,"

This is not what the scripture states, God did not tell
the world plainly. God told the people of Israel plainly.
The festivals, new moon and sabbaths were components
of the old covenant. This old covenant was between God
and Israel, this is what the Bible states.

Well David; sorry to say that you are wrong. It would of been nice if you where to ask a question, instaed of assuming I'm wrong. Lets go to 2Peter 1: 1:18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount. 1:19We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Now let me explain these verses. Testament just means to reinerate what had alreay happen, the apostles talks about everything that already happen, Peter is telling you, me or the world, We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed in other words go back into Genesis to Malachi if you need to understand something or get clarity. Every word that was written in the bible was written by a Hebrew (israelite) so if you feel that God was just talking to israel, then you are wasting your with the Bible in the first place. It always start with Israel and then the rest of the sons of adam. Paul said this in 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: 11 For there is no respect of persons with God. You don't take the time to read first and understand first, if thats the case then learn to ask question first! I think The sabbath day on the seventh day of the week ran from Moses, past Jesus time, and past the aposltes time and still going strong with those who have knowledge and understanding.

 

[David777]

Hello bro.tan.

You said;

"Now let me explain these verses. Testament just means to reinerate
what had alreay happen, the apostles talks about everything that already happen,"

Testament certainly does not mean reiterate.

King James Dictionary

Testament: A covenant, an agreement.

For where a TESTAMENT is, there must also of necessity be the death
of the testator. For a TESTAMENT is of force after men are dead: otherwise
it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth. Whereupon neither the
first TESTAMENT was dedicated without blood. ( Hebrews 9:16-18 )

From the dictionary "testament" means a covenant, an agreement.

Next mistake bro.tan is this statement;

"Every word that was written in the bible was written by a Hebrew (Israelite)"

Was Luke a Hebrew?

Although the Gospel survives in anonymous form, it is considered that the name was known to the addressee, Theophilus.[37] The author was probably a Gentile Christian.[13] Whoever the author was, he was highly educated, well traveled, well connected, and extremely widely read. By the time he composed the Gospel, he must have been a highly practiced and competent author - able to compose in a wide variety of literary forms according to the demands of the moment.[38] Despite the majority opinion that Luke was a gentile writing to other gentiles, a few authors have challenged this view. (wikipedia)

Finally your last mistake;

"I think The sabbath day on the seventh day of the week ran from Moses,
past Jesus time, and past the aposltes time and still going strong with
those who have knowledge and understanding."

Gentiles were not given the sabbath, it belongs to Israel.

According to Acts 15, the apostles strictly prescribed
what rules the Gentiles were to follow. Gentiles were
never partners of the Mosaic covenant.

 

[bro.tan]

Hello bro.tan.

You said;

"Now let me explain these verses. Testament just means to reinerate
what had alreay happen, the apostles talks about everything that already happen,"

Testament certainly does not mean reiterate.

King James Dictionary

Testament: A covenant, an agreement.

For where a TESTAMENT is, there must also of necessity be the death
of the testator. For a TESTAMENT is of force after men are dead: otherwise
it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth. Whereupon neither the
first TESTAMENT was dedicated without blood. ( Hebrews 9:16-18 )

From the dictionary "testament" means a covenant, an agreement.

Next mistake bro.tan is this statement;

"Every word that was written in the bible was written by a Hebrew (Israelite)"

Was Luke a Hebrew?

Although the Gospel survives in anonymous form, it is considered that the name was known to the addressee, Theophilus.[37] The author was probably a Gentile Christian.[13] Whoever the author was, he was highly educated, well traveled, well connected, and extremely widely read. By the time he composed the Gospel, he must have been a highly practiced and competent author - able to compose in a wide variety of literary forms according to the demands of the moment.[38] Despite the majority opinion that Luke was a gentile writing to other gentiles, a few authors have challenged this view. (wikipedia)

Finally your last mistake;

"I think The sabbath day on the seventh day of the week ran from Moses,
past Jesus time, and past the aposltes time and still going strong with
those who have knowledge and understanding."

Gentiles were not given the sabbath, it belongs to Israel.

According to Acts 15, the apostles strictly prescribed
what rules the Gentiles were to follow. Gentiles were
never partners of the Mosaic covenant.

Its sad to see a person try to find errors instead of learning how to get salvation. Theres no errors or mistakes I made. This whole lesson is so true it just eats people like you up, plain and simple. In the scriptures its written in Proverbs 1:22How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge?

 

[bro.tan]

The Christians who would not compromise and dishonor God found themselves in a dilemma. Satan had worked things around so that you were forced to honor the pagan "day of the sun" or pay the penalty. Even after the Emperor's Sunday law, many Christians continued to honor and keep holy the seventh-day Sabbath that their Saviour had kept. God knew what was going on and had predicted that the man of sin would "think to change times and laws." Satan was about to pull off a world-wide hoax.

Bibles were forbidden by the priests. As the years went by, the new generations (without Bibles) would forget all about the Sabbath of the Lord.

Not only that - from time to time, great church councils were held. In nearly every one, the Sabbath which God had given as a memorial of His creation of the world was pressed down and Sunday was exalted. The pagan festival finally came to be regarded as the "Lord's day" (by Pope Sylvester, 314-337 A.D.) and the church leaders pronounced the Bible Sabbath a relic of the Jews, and those who honored it, in obedience to the fourth commandment of God, were pronounced to be "accursed."

To rip out the commandment right in the center, put in Sun- day worship as a counterfeit, take the Bibles away, and command the whole world to accept it - this was the king of all swindles!

You see, Satan hates the fourth commandment more than all others because it is the only one that tells who God really is - the Creator of "Heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is." Exodus 20:11. You could worship any god and keep the other nine (not kill, steal, etc.) but to keep the fourth commandment you must worship the Creator of the Universe Who Himself rested on the seventh day and commanded His people to do the same - in a love relationship with Himself.

As the centuries went by, the people, with no Bibles forgot about God's Sabbath, and Sunday worship became firmly established. Many even today are ignorant on the subject.

The Waldenses, which I have mentioned, and some other groups through the dark ages did secretly have Bibles, and many did keep the Bible Sabbath on Saturday like Jesus did - all down through history.

But they were treated as outlaws. Whenever they were caught they were tortured to death. Their mangled corpses show the world the tactics that the beast has always used - force.

Of God's faithful in the last days it says, "Here is the patience of the saints; here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus." Revelation 14:12.

In modern times, leaders who know what they are talking about will admit that men changed the Sabbath and not God. Look at these startling statements from Protestant leaders:


Methodist - "The reason we observe the first day instead of the seventh is based on no positive command. One will search the Scriptures in vain for authority for changing from the seventh day to the first." <st1lace w:st="on">Clovis</st1lace> G. Chappell, Ten Rules For Living. pg. 61

Baptist - Harold Lindsell, former editor of Christianity Today. said, "There is nothing in Scripture that requires us to keep Sunday rather than Saturday as a holy day." Christianity Today, November 5, 1976.

Episcopal - "The Bible commandment says on the seventh day thou shalt rest. That is Saturday. Nowhere in the Bible is it laid down that worship should be done on Sunday." Philip Carrington, <st1:City w:st="on"><st1lace w:st="on">Toronto</st1lace></st1:City> Daily Star, October 26, 1949.

Our Catholic friends know how the change came about. They say, "We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church in the Council of <st1:City w:st="on"><st1lace w:st="on">Laodicea</st1lace></st1:City>, transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday." The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, Third edition, pg. 50.

The Catholic Press said, "Sunday is a Catholic institution, and its claims to observation can be defended only on Catholic principles ... From beginning to end of Scripture there is not a single passage that warrants the transfer of weekly public worship from the last day of the week to the first.

God speaks of the seventh day 126 times in the Old Testament and 62 times in the New. The first day of the week is mentioned only eight times in the New Testament. A Catholic priest offered $1000 to anyone who could find one Bible verse to indicate that Sunday is now holy and should be observed instead of the seventh day.

No one responded.

 

[dannibear]

Its sad to see a person try to find errors instead of learning how to get salvation. Theres no errors or mistakes I made. This whole lesson is so true it just eats people like you up, plain and simple. In the scriptures its written in Proverbs 1:22How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge?

Is this how a true follower of Jesus would respond?
This post is bending towards pride and I would suggest you look into ASAP before experiencing a huge fall that will result from not seeking God's help.

Proverbs 8:13
Proverbs 16:18-19

 

[bro.tan]

Is this how a true follower of Jesus would respond?
This post is bending towards pride and I would suggest you look into ASAP before experiencing a huge fall that will result from not seeking God's help.

Proverbs 8:13
Proverbs 16:18-19

The answer to your question is yep. I didn't come with my own words I came words from the Bible, that fit the situation perfectly. David777 was trying to find fault with me and not trying to learn, or even ask question. What I'm doing on this site is sharing the biggest love that a person could share, and that is to teach the Bible to save lives. I have no problem being here if I'm not wanted or appreciated! Pay attention to what a person is saying, not always how a person is saying it. Its the message that count in the end!
In the scriptures its written in Proverbs 22: 20 Have not I written to thee excellent things in counsels and knowledge, 21 That I might make thee know the certainty of the words of truth; that thou mightest answer the words of truth to them that send unto thee?

 

[David777]

Hello Bro.tan.

I will ask you a question.

Please read the following and provide your
interpretation.

Acts 15

5 But some of the sect of the Pharisees who had believed stood up, saying,
“It is necessary to circumcise them and to direct them to observe the Law of Moses.”
6 The apostles and the elders came together to look into this matter.

7 After there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them,
“Brethren, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you,
that by my mouth the Gentiles would hear the word of the gospel and believe.

8 And God, who knows the heart, testified to them giving them the Holy Spirit,
just as He also did to us;

9 and He made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith.

10 Now therefore why do you put God to the test by placing upon the neck of the
disciples a yoke which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?

11 But we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in the
same way as they also are.”


12 All the people kept silent, and they were listening to Barnabas and Paul as they
were relating what signs and wonders God had done through them among the Gentiles.

[h=3]James’s Judgment[/h]13 After they had stopped speaking, James answered, saying, “Brethren, listen to me.

14 Simeon has related how God first concerned Himself about taking from among the
Gentiles a people for His name.

15 With this the words of the Prophets agree, just as it is written,


16 ‘ After these things I will return,
And I will rebuild the tabernacle of David which has fallen,
And I will rebuild its ruins,
And I will restore it,

17 So that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
And all the Gentiles who are called by My name,’

18 Says the Lord, who makes these things known from long ago.



19 Therefore it is my judgment that we do not trouble those who are turning
to God from among the Gentiles,

20 but that we write to them that they abstain from things contaminated by idols
and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood.

21 For Moses from ancient generations has in every city those who preach him,
since he is read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”


22 Then it seemed good to the apostles and the elders, with the whole church,
to choose men from among them to send to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas
—Judas called Barsabbas, and Silas, leading men among the brethren,

23 and they sent this letter by them,

“ The apostles and the brethren who are elders, to the brethren in Antioch and Syria
and Cilicia who are from the Gentiles, greetings.


24 “Since we have heard that some of our number to whom we gave no instruction have
disturbed you with their words, unsettling your souls,

25 it seemed good to us, having become of one mind, to select men to send to you with
our beloved Barnabas and Paul,

26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

27 “Therefore we have sent Judas and Silas, who themselves will also report the same things
by word of mouth.

28 “For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden
than these essentials:

29 that you abstain from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things
strangled and from fornication; if you keep yourselves free from such things,
you will do well. Farewell.”

 

[bro.tan]

Hello Bro.tan.

I will ask you a question.

Please read the following and provide your
interpretation.

Acts 15

5 But some of the sect of the Pharisees who had believed stood up, saying,
“It is necessary to circumcise them and to direct them to observe the Law of Moses.”
6 The apostles and the elders came together to look into this matter.

7 After there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them,
“Brethren, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you,
that by my mouth the Gentiles would hear the word of the gospel and believe.

8 And God, who knows the heart, testified to them giving them the Holy Spirit,
just as He also did to us;

9 and He made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith.

10 Now therefore why do you put God to the test by placing upon the neck of the
disciples a yoke which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?

11 But we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in the
same way as they also are.”


12 All the people kept silent, and they were listening to Barnabas and Paul as they
were relating what signs and wonders God had done through them among the Gentiles.

James’s Judgment

13 After they had stopped speaking, James answered, saying, “Brethren, listen to me.

14 Simeon has related how God first concerned Himself about taking from among the
Gentiles a people for His name.

15 With this the words of the Prophets agree, just as it is written,


16 ‘ After these things I will return,
And I will rebuild the tabernacle of David which has fallen,
And I will rebuild its ruins,
And I will restore it,

17 So that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
And all the Gentiles who are called by My name,’

18 Says the Lord, who makes these things known from long ago.



19 Therefore it is my judgment that we do not trouble those who are turning
to God from among the Gentiles,

20 but that we write to them that they abstain from things contaminated by idols
and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood.

21 For Moses from ancient generations has in every city those who preach him,
since he is read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”


22 Then it seemed good to the apostles and the elders, with the whole church,
to choose men from among them to send to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas
—Judas called Barsabbas, and Silas, leading men among the brethren,

23 and they sent this letter by them,

“ The apostles and the brethren who are elders, to the brethren in Antioch and Syria
and Cilicia who are from the Gentiles, greetings.


24 “Since we have heard that some of our number to whom we gave no instruction have
disturbed you with their words, unsettling your souls,

25 it seemed good to us, having become of one mind, to select men to send to you with
our beloved Barnabas and Paul,

26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

27 “Therefore we have sent Judas and Silas, who themselves will also report the same things
by word of mouth.

28 “For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden
than these essentials:

29 that you abstain from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things
strangled and from fornication; if you keep yourselves free from such things,
you will do well. Farewell.”

For the record I don't have an interpretation, the Bble speaks for itself. Thoses situation have I lot do with some Israelites who didn't want the Gentile in the word at all, going threw a lot debate on different parts of the laws, such as circumision in the flesh, and idols worshipers, things of that nature. But a far as dealing with the sabbath day on the seventh day of the week, there was no issue at all about that. Apostle Paul understood this he knew and kept Gods law including the seventh day sabbath. Now lets take a look at; (Acts 13:13-15, 42, 44) (v.13) Now when Paul and his company loosed from Pa’-phus, they came to Per’-ga in Pam-phyl’-I-a: and John departing from them returned to Jerusalem. (v.14) But when they departed from Per’-ga, they came to An’-ti-och in Pi-sid’-I-a, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down. Paul went into the church (synagogue) on the sabbath day the seventh day not the first day (Sunday). (v.15) And after the reading of the law and the prophets the rulers of the synagogue sent unto them, saying, Ye men and brethren, if ye have any word of exhortation for the people, say on. (v.42) And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath. The Gentiles didn’t asked Paul to come preach us something different next Sunday. They wanted Paul to preach to them the same thing that he taught the Jews, the next sabbath. Even the Gentiles knew that if they were going to serve the same God that Paul and the Jews (Israelites) served that they would have to serve him on the day that God had set up. (v.42) And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God. Not the next Sunday but the next sabbath.

In (Acts 17:1-2) (v.2) Now when they had passed through Am-phip’-o-lis and Ap-ol-lo’-ni-a, they came to Thes-sa-lo-ni’-ca, where was a synagogue of the Jews: (v.2) And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures," Now Paul evidently was around Thes-sa-lo-ni'-ca for a few weeks and as his manner was he went into the synagogue three sabbath days. Do you understand what the word manner means? Its definition is; a characteristic or customary mode of acting: custom: fashion. It was the law. Paul went into the synagogue every sabbath, not every Sunday people, this is the apostle Paul, and it said that Paul reasoned with them out of the scriptures. I wonder why Paul didn't enlighten them with some 1 Corinthians, or maybe hit them with some Galatians, or endow them with a little 2 Thessalonians, because these books were not around when Paul was preaching the gospel. He reasoned with them out of the scriptures, which are from Genesis to Malachi.

 

[amadeus2]

Pay attention to what a person is saying, not always how a person is saying it. Its the message that count in the end!

Check the following words carefully against the highlighted words of your above statement:

"And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing." I Cor 13:2

 

[David777]

Bro.tan please think about what you wrote.

It goes without saying that Paul's first port
of call would be a synagogue. Paul after his
conversion took the Gospel to the Jews first.

After a period of time this would change
however, as acts records. Paul then washed
his hands of the Jews and preached to the
Gentiles.

Acts 13:46
Paul and Barnabas spoke out boldly and said, “It was necessary that the word of God
be spoken to you first (Jews); since you repudiate it and judge yourselves unworthy of eternal life,
behold, we are turning to the Gentiles.

So bro.tan your quotes from earlier sections of Acts prior
to Acts 13:46 are non admissible as evidence that Paul.
Only preached on the sabbath and that Paul only ever
preached in Jewish synagogues.

Remember Acts 13 is before Acts 15, hence no formal
instructions had been received by the apostles re: the
Gentiles.

I am stunned at your refusal to accept the advice of
the Council of Jerusalem!

 

[bro.tan]

Check the following words carefully against the highlighted words of your above statement:

"And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing." I Cor 13:2

Don't understand the point, but I understand the verse and I agree.

 

[bro.tan]

Bro.tan please think about what you wrote.

It goes without saying that Paul's first port
of call would be a synagogue. Paul after his
conversion took the Gospel to the Jews first.

After a period of time this would change
however, as acts records. Paul then washed
his hands of the Jews and preached to the
Gentiles.

Acts 13:46
Paul and Barnabas spoke out boldly and said, “It was necessary that the word of God
be spoken to you first (Jews); since you repudiate it and judge yourselves unworthy of eternal life,
behold, we are turning to the Gentiles.

So bro.tan your quotes from earlier sections of Acts prior
to Acts 13:46 are non admissible as evidence that Paul.
Only preached on the sabbath and that Paul only ever
preached in Jewish synagogues.

Remember Acts 13 is before Acts 15, hence no formal
instructions had been received by the apostles re: the
Gentiles.

I am stunned at your refusal to accept the advice of
the Council of Jerusalem!

The BIble said "Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because, that in it, He had rested from all his work which God created and made." (Gen 2:1-3). The bible reveals that God blessed and set apart (sanctified) the seventh day. This day is holy unto God, and it is the only day of the week that we are commanded to honor. "Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of rest, an holy convocation: ye shall do no work therein: it is the Sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings." (Lev 23:3). A holy convocation is an assembly of the people of God, who come together to worship him.

Paul said in Ephesians 2: 18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. 19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 - And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

Sunday doctrine has nothing to do with the apostles and prophets or Jesus Christ. So..of course you are going to write or try to find a problem. The foundation of the church started in the wilderness on the seventh day of the week, Paul told you that in Acts 7:38 - This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:

Once again David777 you are trying to find fault, when theres is none. The keeping of Sunday as the Christian sabbath is not of God but of Man. Ample evidence from history shows that the celebration of Sunday originated from pagan practices of SUN WORSHIP. In March of 321 A.D., the Roman Emperor Constantine, who was at first a sun-worshiper and later a Christian convert, issued the first decree declaring Sunday to be a legal day of rest. In 336 A.D., the Roman Catholic Church officially changed the observance of Sabbath to Sunday for political and economic expediency. Since then, the original Sabbath gradually gave way to Sunday observance and the practice remains to this day. Lets make sure you understand this, so you would know that Acts 13 and Acts 15, have nothing to do with any change in the sabbath day on the seventh day of the week. Its sad that you would try to use that. In fact they where talking about other matters of the law, not the sabbath day. From Acts 13 to 321 A.D. or from Moses to 321 A.D.


You must really enjoy those pagan practices and Sun Worship, huh.

 

[David777]

Correction bro.tan

You said: "In fact they where talking about other matters of the law, not the sabbath day."

The sabbath day was commandment 4, law 4, the law of Moses.

There were strict penalties for breaking the law bro.tan.

The sabbath was given to Israel as a sign.

So that they would stand out as a nation amongst other
nations. Is this not true?

 

[amadeus2]

Originally Posted by bro.tan
Pay attention to what a person is saying, not always how a person is saying it. Its the message that count in the end!

Originally Posted by amadeus2
Check the following words carefully against the highlighted words of your above statement:

"And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing."

bro.tan: Don't understand the point, but I understand the verse and I agree.

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My point was simply that you said in effect that the message was more important than the manner in which it was expressed. The manner is the love! The verse I quoted says that even if a man has all knowledge, without love, he is nothing. The knowledge is worthless without the love. The love is God, Himself.

 

[bro.tan]

Correction bro.tan

You said: "In fact they where talking about other matters of the law, not the sabbath day."

The sabbath day was commandment 4, law 4, the law of Moses.

There were strict penalties for breaking the law bro.tan.

The sabbath was given to Israel as a sign.

So that they would stand out as a nation amongst other
nations. Is this not true?

What I'm doing is teaching you the same way Peter was trying to teach the Gentiles. Peter said in Acts 15:6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter. 7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. 8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; 9 And put no difference between us and them,

This dispute is mainly talking about the Gentiles being circumcise, not the sabbath day, understand that some of those Israelites didn't want Gentiles in this word of God, so they would have these debates. Jesus gave Peter the keys to the kingdom, and this for a reason. Pay attention to what Peter said in 2 Peter 1 :19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

What Peter is saying here, when you start having problems in this word, always go back to the OT, thats the foundation of this word of God.

 

[bro.tan]

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My point was simply that you said in effect that the message was more important than the manner in which it was expressed. The manner is the love! The verse I quoted says that even if a man has all knowledge, without love, he is nothing. The knowledge is worthless without the love. The love is God, Himself.

Well, again I agree with the verse. I don't think it apply to me as you think or believe. I see theres a lot you need to understand and knowledge to be increase of how love is displayed, from God.

 

[amadeus2]

Well, again I agree with the verse. I don't think it apply to me as you think or believe. I see theres a lot you need to understand and knowledge to be increase of how love is displayed, from God.

Don't we all need to understand a lot? I am glad you are certain the verse does not apply to you. Give God the glory and allow Him to work in us!

 

[Chad]

You must really enjoy those pagan practices and Sun Worship, huh.

I've read your past arrogant responses and now this. Your account is closed. Enough is enough. Ask yourself "Am I responding in a Christ like manner?"

Be blessed.

I see theres a lot you need to understand and knowledge to be increase of how love is displayed, from God.

Ironically you have contradicted yourself a handful of times in your responses.

Romans 13:14

But [SUB]r[/SUB] put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and [SUB]s[/SUB] make no provision for the flesh, to fulfill its lusts.