The Second Coming

[David777]

1 Timothy 3:16 [/SIZE]
[/SIZE]And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: [/SIZE]
God[/SIZE] was [/SIZE]manifest in the flesh[/SIZE], justified in the Spirit, seen of angels,
preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Hebrews 1:6[/SIZE]
And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world,
he says, “Let all God’s [/SIZE]angels worship him.”[/SIZE]

John 5:22-23[/SIZE]
Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son,
that all may [/SIZE]honor the Son just as they honor the Father[/SIZE]. He who does not honor
the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.

[/SIZE][/SIZE]Acts 20:28[/SIZE]
Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has
made you overseers. Be shepherds of the [/SIZE]church of God, which he[/SIZE] bought
with his [/SIZE]own blood[/SIZE].[/SIZE]

 

[Whitestone]

I'm not clear on what you're saying here...Are you saying that there is no rapture? That JESUS is not coming back in person. Are you saying that you will simply die of old age then you will see HIM?

(2Co 5:1)
For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.


(1Jn 3:2)
Beloved, now are we children of God, and it is not yet made manifest what we shall be. We know that, if he shall be manifested, we shall be like him; for we shall see him even as he is.

 

[El Hombre viejo]

(2Co 5:1)
For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.


(1Jn 3:2)
Beloved, now are we children of God, and it is not yet made manifest what we shall be. We know that, if he shall be manifested, we shall be like him; for we shall see him even as he is.

LOL Enigmatic as ever. Are you going to answer my question?

 

[Whitestone]

LOL Enigmatic as ever. Are you going to answer my question?

I just did. Quite clearly actually

If you understand this, you will understand my answer. Scriptures aren't 'enigmatic' to me.

The very next thing that will happen to me is the exact same thing that has happened to everyone in Christ for the past 2000 years, and will continue to happen to those in Christ when they put off their mortal coil. Here is the KJV of that same verse. It was a memory verse for me when younger. But I didn't understand it until many years later because I earlier got polluted with all the popular man-made theories of "futurism" aka "eschatology". Get away from that asap is my advice. I only let scriptures Breathe to me, therefore I'm not sidetracked with false doctrines.

(1Jn 3:2)
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

We "see" Him as He is Because we are like Him. This happens when we put off our mortal coil. It is the only "future" thing not yet fulfilled.
When that time comes for me, whether tomorrow, or next year whenever, then is this Kingdom of the Son who I AM within me, then "delivered up to God as all in all" (1Cor 15:28)

Then is fulfilled these scriptures;

(1Co 15:26)
The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

Incredibly beautiful, and very very simple and easy to understand, as long as we don't add our own ideas to it.

Peace in Israel

 

[El Hombre viejo]

I just did. Quite clearly actually

If you understand this, you will understand my answer. Scriptures aren't 'enigmatic' to me.

The very next thing that will happen to me is the exact same thing that has happened to everyone in Christ for the past 2000 years, and will continue to happen to those in Christ when they put off their mortal coil. Here is the KJV of that same verse. It was a memory verse for me when younger. But I didn't understand it until many years later because I earlier got polluted with all the popular man-made theories of "futurism" aka "eschatology". Get away from that asap is my advice. I only let scriptures Breathe to me, therefore I'm not sidetracked with false doctrines.

(1Jn 3:2)
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

So you plan on growing old and dieing and going home to the LORD Ok

 

[Whitestone]

So you plan on growing old and dieing and going home to the LORD Ok

I sure don't plan on growing old, I sure didn't say that. I sure hope I don't in fact, I'm already 56 and totally ready to put off this body of flesh and deliver this Kingdom up to God. I am only here day by day to preach the Gospel and shew forth Christ Jesus unto the Nations and gather together His elect from the four winds of the earth through the foolishness of preaching I'll continue that as long as I'm here. B
ut right now I am in fact at home with the Lord Jesus, who dwells in me forever and shall never leave nor forsake me. For I am the House of the Lord, the Living City New Jerusalem. The Temple of the Living God. This is the only WAY that death doesn't affect me when I put off this mortal coil. Because Christ in me is Immortal and Eternal. And I AM One with Him in me. I've already died in Christ in the waters of baptism. Now the second death has no power over me. Wonderful is the Gospel of Jesus Christ!

So what might you be planning El? Do you "take thought for the morrow"? I sure don't. Jesus commands us not to. Nor are we to be affected by "times and seasons" to come. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof;
(Mat 6:34)
Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

 

[EphremHagos]

There is no need whatsoever to dwell only on Christ's promise at the expense of His greatest work in the Scriptures.

Half-way down the Chapter (John 14), Jesus also says to his 12 disciples the following:

"When I go you will not be left all alone; I will come back to you. In a little while the world will see me no more, but you will see me; and because I live, you also will live. When that day comes, you will know that I am in my Father and that you are in me, just as I am in you." vv. 18-20

Jesus goes on to globalize his promise to the whole world.

"Whoever accepts my commandments and obeys them is the one who loves me. My Father will love whoever loves me; I too will love him and reveal myself to him." v. 21

Therefore, we are living today in complete forgetfulness of The Second Coming of Jesus Christ which is a reality. Aren't we? People had better look again at him whom they pierced or face the consequences. (19: 30-37)

John 14

1 Let not your hearts be troubled. Believe in God;a believe also in me. 2 In my Father's house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you?b 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also


: )

 

[Whitestone]

There is no need whatsoever to dwell only on Christ's promise at the expense of His greatest work in the Scriptures.

Half-way down the Chapter (John 14), Jesus also says to his 12 disciples the following:

"When I go you will not be left all alone; I will come back to you. In a little while the world will see me no more, but you will see me; and because I live, you also will live. When that day comes, you will know that I am in my Father and that you are in me, just as I am in you." vv. 18-20

Jesus goes on to globalize his promise to the whole world.

"Whoever accepts my commandments and obeys them is the one who loves me. My Father will love whoever loves me; I too will love him and reveal myself to him." v. 21

Therefore, we are living today in complete forgetfulness of The Second Coming of Jesus Christ which is a reality. Aren't we? People had better look again at him whom they pierced or face the consequences. (19: 30-37)

I've taken a very long hard look over and over even up to this moment, at Him whom I pierced. I also recognized and faced the consequences for my actions; my sins that put Him there. I have confessed my sins and He has forgiven me my sins and cleansed me from all unrighteousness.

THAT is the Gospel.

Jesus Comes to the 'whole world' through the foolishness of preaching by us, His messengers of the Gospel. He only REVEALS Himself to those who's eyes are opened to see Him. Every one of THOSE eyes shall SEE HIM.
(2Co 4:6) For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
Do you see Him? I sure do There is only one reason why a person can't see Him and NEVER will see Him is because of this;
(2Co 4:3) But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
(2Co 4:4) In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
There is no such phrase as "the second coming" found in any version of Holy Writ. Why? Because that is a false teaching. Unless you mean to YOURSELF PERSONALLY. There is no planetwide futuristic "physical" coming like the "futurists" teach. Jesus Certainly Comes.
But HOW DO YOU EXPECT HIM TO COME?
Jesus COMES to whosoever receives Him. Each man in His own order. Through the foolishness of Preaching. He COMES into those who RECEIVE Him.
I have RECEIVED Jesus Come, He Lives in me and dwells in me and I in Him, one flesh, the Body of Christ, a New Creation. He is the Holy Spirit in me. He shall never leave nor forsake me. He is with me even unto the ends of the earth. He has conquered sin in me and brought me into righteousness. Soon, He shall finally conquer in me that last enemy of death.
Just as all scriptures say, He has fulfilled His Word to me in Coming into this Earth, the New Earth, the New Heavens of which I AMj.
Just as verse 21 says, He fulfills it just as He says it.
The only thing left to be fulfilled is this Kingdom of God within me as His son, to be delievered up to the Father and then I am with God All in All.
The only thing left to be fulfilled is this earthly tabernacle being put off. At that time 1 John 3:2 will be fulfilled.
(1Jn 3:2) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
Then is this scripture fulfilled;
(2Co 5:4) For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
THIS is what we wait upon. NOT a fairy tale futuristic kingdom on this planet doctrine such as what the pharisees also clamoured after in their ignorance such as illustrated here;

(Luk 17:20) And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
AS YOU CAN SEE, THE PHARISEES TAUGHT THAT DOCTRINE, BECAUSE THEY WERE BLIND.

(Luk 17:21)Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

It is clear to the Bible scholar that the Pharisees were WRONG. If your doctrine is like their doctrine, then please listen again to what Jesus says,
The Kingdom of God does not come in an observable manner. The Kingdom of God is "WITHIN YOU".
The only people who have a problem are people who are misguided like the pharisees, who thought that their nation would be delivered "physically" from the political enemies around them.
That is the opposite of truth.
When the disciples asked Jesus HOW He was going to COME, prior to His ascension, He told them it was as a result of a MARRIAGE. (John 3:29) The New Testament is literally the "New Marriage Covenant" where Jesus describes the incredible SPIRITUAL Reality of a New Birth. (John 3:7 1 pet 1:23) This New Birth is from the Bridegroom and the Bride. (Rev 21:9, Gal 4:26 Heb 2:13 etc)
It produces the COMING of the Lord WITHIN US aka "The Kingdom of God". Here is Jesus telling His disciples HOW He would COME;

(Joh 16:16)A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.

(Joh 16:17) Then said some of his disciples among themselves, What is this that he saith unto us, A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me: and, Because I go to the Father?
(Joh 16:18) They said therefore, What is this that he saith, A little while? we cannot tell what he saith.
(Joh 16:19) Now Jesus knew that they were desirous to ask him, and said unto them, Do ye enquire among yourselves of that I said, A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me?

(Joh 16:20)Verily, verily, I say unto you, That ye shall weep and lament, but the world shall rejoice: and ye shall be sorrowful, but your sorrow shall be turned into joy.

(Joh 16:21)A woman when she is in travail hath sorrow, because her hour is come: but as soon as she is delivered of the child, she remembereth no more the anguish, for joy that a man is born into the world.

(Joh 16:22)And ye now therefore have sorrow: but I will see you again, and your heart shall rejoice, and your joy no man taketh from you.

(Joh 16:23)And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

(Joh 16:24)Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.

My Joy is full I have received Him. He will Never leave me. Ever. Because His Kingdom is eternal, right past the end of this flesh life, I live eternally in Christ who lives eternally within me.
This is the Good News of the Gospel. Hard to understand yes, especially after all the "futurism" sects passing as "christian" teach the doctrines of the pharisees to Christians! Such a woe this is, robbing the sheep of what the Gospel is ALL about NOW, and putting it all off into the future! Putting it totally out of reach!
C'mon people, don't stand around gazing up into Heaven. I am here to tell you to go gather in Jerusalem and wait for the "Promise of the Father" as He said, so that together we can all be Born of God, when the Dayspring Comes from upon High and enters you and dwells within you. (Luke 24:49,Acts 1;4 Acts 2;23)
The "promise of the Father" is the Abrahamic Covenant to Israel, fulfilled in all of us equally whoever, wherever, and whenever we Call upon Him in Faith!
(Rom 4:16) Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

Don't put it off. The time is Now
Peace and Love in Christ
Whitestone.

 

[EphremHagos]

A series of random quotations from the Bible, however long, is no guarantee of truth.

According to the longer-term trend in the Bible and the immediate context of the passage, on the other hand, "People will look at him whom they pierced" is a one-stop solution to man's historical search for personal knowledge of God; which is now found only in Jesus Christ's perpetual self-revelation based on his verifiably Spirit-active, perfect and diacritical death subject to a radical change in man's thinking as per the teaching of Jesus.

This is the Good News from the glorious and blessed God. Any alternative is another gospel.

In connection to questions regarding the Messiah and the Son of Man, Jesus answered "The light will be among you a little longer. Continue on your way while you have the light, so that the darkness will not come upon you; for the one who walks in the dark does not know where he is going. Believe in the light, then, while you have it so that you will be the people of the light." (John 12: 35-36)

Therefore, I have no doubts whatsoever that the Second Coming is here.

I've taken a very long hard look over and over even up to this moment, at Him whom I pierced. I also recognized and faced the consequences for my actions; my sins that put Him there. I have confessed my sins and He has forgiven me my sins and cleansed me from all unrighteousness.

THAT is the Gospel.

Jesus Comes to the 'whole world' through the foolishness of preaching by us, His messengers of the Gospel. He only REVEALS Himself to those who's eyes are opened to see Him. Every one of THOSE eyes shall SEE HIM.
(2Co 4:6) For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
Do you see Him? I sure do There is only one reason why a person can't see Him and NEVER will see Him is because of this;
(2Co 4:3) But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
(2Co 4:4) In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
There is no such phrase as "the second coming" found in any version of Holy Writ. Why? Because that is a false teaching. Unless you mean to YOURSELF PERSONALLY. There is no planetwide futuristic "physical" coming like the "futurists" teach. Jesus Certainly Comes.
But HOW DO YOU EXPECT HIM TO COME?
Jesus COMES to whosoever receives Him. Each man in His own order. Through the foolishness of Preaching. He COMES into those who RECEIVE Him.
I have RECEIVED Jesus Come, He Lives in me and dwells in me and I in Him, one flesh, the Body of Christ, a New Creation. He is the Holy Spirit in me. He shall never leave nor forsake me. He is with me even unto the ends of the earth. He has conquered sin in me and brought me into righteousness. Soon, He shall finally conquer in me that last enemy of death.
Just as all scriptures say, He has fulfilled His Word to me in Coming into this Earth, the New Earth, the New Heavens of which I AMj.
Just as verse 21 says, He fulfills it just as He says it.
The only thing left to be fulfilled is this Kingdom of God within me as His son, to be delievered up to the Father and then I am with God All in All.
The only thing left to be fulfilled is this earthly tabernacle being put off. At that time 1 John 3:2 will be fulfilled.
(1Jn 3:2) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
Then is this scripture fulfilled;
(2Co 5:4) For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
THIS is what we wait upon. NOT a fairy tale futuristic kingdom on this planet doctrine such as what the pharisees also clamoured after in their ignorance such as illustrated here;

(Luk 17:20) And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
AS YOU CAN SEE, THE PHARISEES TAUGHT THAT DOCTRINE, BECAUSE THEY WERE BLIND.

(Luk 17:21)Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

It is clear to the Bible scholar that the Pharisees were WRONG. If your doctrine is like their doctrine, then please listen again to what Jesus says,
The Kingdom of God does not come in an observable manner. The Kingdom of God is "WITHIN YOU".
The only people who have a problem are people who are misguided like the pharisees, who thought that their nation would be delivered "physically" from the political enemies around them.
That is the opposite of truth.
When the disciples asked Jesus HOW He was going to COME, prior to His ascension, He told them it was as a result of a MARRIAGE. (John 3:29) The New Testament is literally the "New Marriage Covenant" where Jesus describes the incredible SPIRITUAL Reality of a New Birth. (John 3:7 1 pet 1:23) This New Birth is from the Bridegroom and the Bride. (Rev 21:9, Gal 4:26 Heb 2:13 etc)
It produces the COMING of the Lord WITHIN US aka "The Kingdom of God". Here is Jesus telling His disciples HOW He would COME;

(Joh 16:16)A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.

(Joh 16:17) Then said some of his disciples among themselves, What is this that he saith unto us, A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me: and, Because I go to the Father?
(Joh 16:18) They said therefore, What is this that he saith, A little while? we cannot tell what he saith.
(Joh 16:19) Now Jesus knew that they were desirous to ask him, and said unto them, Do ye enquire among yourselves of that I said, A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me?

(Joh 16:20)Verily, verily, I say unto you, That ye shall weep and lament, but the world shall rejoice: and ye shall be sorrowful, but your sorrow shall be turned into joy.

(Joh 16:21)A woman when she is in travail hath sorrow, because her hour is come: but as soon as she is delivered of the child, she remembereth no more the anguish, for joy that a man is born into the world.

(Joh 16:22)And ye now therefore have sorrow: but I will see you again, and your heart shall rejoice, and your joy no man taketh from you.

(Joh 16:23)And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

(Joh 16:24)Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.

My Joy is full I have received Him. He will Never leave me. Ever. Because His Kingdom is eternal, right past the end of this flesh life, I live eternally in Christ who lives eternally within me.
This is the Good News of the Gospel. Hard to understand yes, especially after all the "futurism" sects passing as "christian" teach the doctrines of the pharisees to Christians! Such a woe this is, robbing the sheep of what the Gospel is ALL about NOW, and putting it all off into the future! Putting it totally out of reach!
C'mon people, don't stand around gazing up into Heaven. I am here to tell you to go gather in Jerusalem and wait for the "Promise of the Father" as He said, so that together we can all be Born of God, when the Dayspring Comes from upon High and enters you and dwells within you. (Luke 24:49,Acts 1;4 Acts 2;23)
The "promise of the Father" is the Abrahamic Covenant to Israel, fulfilled in all of us equally whoever, wherever, and whenever we Call upon Him in Faith!
(Rom 4:16) Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

Don't put it off. The time is Now
Peace and Love in Christ
Whitestone.

 

[Whitestone]

A series of random quotations from the Bible, however long, is no guarantee of truth.

According to the longer-term trend in the Bible and the immediate context of the passage, on the other hand, "People will look at him whom they pierced" is a one-stop solution to man's historical search for personal knowledge of God; which is now found only in Jesus Christ's perpetual self-revelation based on his verifiably Spirit-active, perfect and diacritical death subject to a radical change in man's thinking as per the teaching of Jesus.

This is the Good News from the glorious and blessed God. Any alternative is another gospel.

In connection to questions regarding the Messiah and the Son of Man, Jesus answered "The light will be among you a little longer. Continue on your way while you have the light, so that the darkness will not come upon you; for the one who walks in the dark does not know where he is going. Believe in the light, then, while you have it so that you will be the people of the light." (John 12: 35-36)

Therefore, I have no doubts whatsoever that the Second Coming is here.

You quoted one verse. A very beautiful verse in fact.

Those who have been walking in this light for the last two thousand years, and even today walk in His Light, are the people of Light. Yes. Amen.

But the verse has nothing to do with the fictional "second coming" doctrine of dispensational theology. It agrees with all the scriptures I provided previously though that to you are just "random quotations"

I will stick with the "random quotations" of God's revealing Word long before I accept your explanation or any other man's explanation, I hope you don't mind

 

[El Hombre viejo]

You quoted one verse. A very beautiful verse in fact.

Those who have been walking in this light for the last two thousand years, and even today walk in His Light, are the people of Light. Yes. Amen.

But the verse has nothing to do with the fictional "second coming" doctrine of dispensational theology. It agrees with all the scriptures I provided previously though that to you are just "random quotations"

I will stick with the "random quotations" of God's revealing Word long before I accept your explanation or any other man's explanation, I hope you don't mind

Whitestone I still don't understand how you can call the imminent coming of the Lord a fictional event when the WORD is full references to it. Unless you simply choose not to believe? Whatever, if one lives as though JESUS is about to bring him home any moment and lives ready to face HIM it doesn't really matter whether or not he believes in the reality of the event itself.

 

[Whitestone]

Whitestone I still don't understand how you can call the imminent coming of the Lord a fictional event when the WORD is full references to it. Unless you simply choose not to believe? Whatever, if one lives as though JESUS is about to bring him home any moment and lives ready to face HIM it doesn't really matter whether or not he believes in the reality of the event itself.

I do NOT reject ONE THING about the Coming of the Lord. The question should be, "WHAT is the Coming of the Lord?" Yes? YES!

Read the "random quotations" from the Lord's answer I provided earlier that you dismissed. Then you will see EXACTLY what the Coming of the Lord Is. Then you will know EXACTLY what I know and believe. Then you will see that is a silly statement for you to alledge toward me saying I reject the Coming of the Lord!

"Any moment" yes! I could get hit by a bus "any moment". Then, EVERYTHING about His "Coming" will be complete! This happens to EVERYONE. It has been happening down through time "TO EACH MAN IN HIS OWN ORDER" EXACTLY AS PAUL EXPLAINS IT! READ some more 'random quotation'...

(1Co 15:23)
But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.


Have you received Christ at His Coming yet? Didn't someone of the BODY OF CHRIST COME TO YOU WITH THE GOSPEL IN THE FOOLISHNESS OF PREACHING? Have you not Received His Holy Spirit and your Temple Body been filled with "CHRIST IN YOUR FLESH"? What could you possibly be WAITING FOR? RECEIVE HIM NOW!! I know this sounds like "foolishness" to some, but that is to be expected.

What? Are you looking for some kind of "SIGN" or man spawned "wisdom" or something as do the non-believers???

Just what exactly are you expecting?

Here is who I AM;

(1Co 1:21)
For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
(1Co 1:22)
For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
(1Co 1:23)
But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

Christ crucified is the message. Not some pie in the sky "physical coming" doctrine spawned out of man's theology that goes against ALL SCRIPTURE.

Hope this helps

 

[El Hombre viejo]

I do NOT reject ONE THING about the Coming of the Lord. The question should be, "WHAT is the Coming of the Lord?" Yes? YES!

Read the "random quotations" from the Lord's answer I provided earlier that you dismissed. Then you will see EXACTLY what the Coming of the Lord Is. Then you will know EXACTLY what I know and believe. Then you will see that is a silly statement for you to alledge toward me saying I reject the Coming of the Lord!

"Any moment" yes! I could get hit by a bus "any moment". Then, EVERYTHING about His "Coming" will be complete! This happens to EVERYONE. It has been happening down through time "TO EACH MAN IN HIS OWN ORDER" EXACTLY AS PAUL EXPLAINS IT! READ some more 'random quotation'...

(1Co 15:23)
But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.


Have you received Christ at His Coming yet? Didn't someone of the BODY OF CHRIST COME TO YOU WITH THE GOSPEL IN THE FOOLISHNESS OF PREACHING? Have you not Received His Holy Spirit and your Temple Body been filled with "CHRIST IN YOUR FLESH"? What could you possibly be WAITING FOR? RECEIVE HIM NOW!! I know this sounds like "foolishness" to some, but that is to be expected.

What? Are you looking for some kind of "SIGN" or man spawned "wisdom" or something as do the non-believers???

Just what exactly are you expecting?

Here is who I AM;

(1Co 1:21)
For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
(1Co 1:22)
For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
(1Co 1:23)
But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

Christ crucified is the message. Not some pie in the sky "physical coming" doctrine spawned out of man's theology that goes against ALL SCRIPTURE.

Hope this helps

OK I'm not here to argue.... I'm only wondering. My comment stands however. We still have to live as though we will stand before HIM two minutes from now. And we don't want to stand before HIM ashamed.

 

[Whitestone]

OK I'm not here to argue.... I'm only wondering. My comment stands however. We still have to live as though we will stand before HIM two minutes from now. And we don't want to stand before HIM ashamed.

Peace El
I stand before Him now El. Always NOW. Not two minutes from now lol. What does that even mean? There is no concept to me of "futurizing" anything as though I'm going to 'do something' different or "be someone different" two minutes from now, or tomorrow or next year...
As long as I am pure and perfect in His Blood washed Righteousness in me NOW, I have "no thought for the morrow", nor of two minutes from now. I desire with all my heart to be released from this body of flesh at any moment I welcome such! I am in Him and He in me and we are One. Nothing to be ashamed about in that, not now, not ever.

(Mat 6:34)
Be not therefore anxious for the morrow, for the morrow shall be anxious for its own things; sufficient for the day is the evil of it.
　

(2Co 6:2)
(For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)


What is YOUR TIME ACCEPTED? Still Future??

(Rom 13:11)
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.


(1Th 2:19)
for what is our hope, or joy, or crown of rejoicing? are not even ye before our Lord Jesus Christ in his presence?



(Luk 17:21)
nor shall they say, Lo, here; or lo, there; for lo, the Kingdom reign of God is within you.'


If the Kingdom is within you, then Christ is Come within You. In your flesh. Overcoming sin and evil. Giving you His Righteousness Joy and Peace in You, His Kingdom


(Rom 14:17)
for the Kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit;


Peace El We are brethren in Christ, and this is all a Blessing to understand as we now dwell in the Kingdom of God. There is no blessing waiting for it as though it isn't within you. The worst thing about not believing this, is that then we divorce ourselves from this Kindom of Christ in you.
Not to argue about I agree. Thank you for your questions. I hope this has all been good for you and others.

In the Love of Christ,
Whitestone

 

[El Hombre viejo]

peace el
i stand before him now el. Always now. Not two minutes from now lol. What does that even mean? There is no concept to me of "futurizing" anything as though i'm going to 'do something' different or "be someone different" two minutes from now, or tomorrow or next year...
As long as i am pure and perfect in his blood washed righteousness in me now, i have "no thought for the morrow", nor of two minutes from now. I desire with all my heart to be released from this body of flesh at any moment i welcome such! I am in him and he in me and we are one. Nothing to be ashamed about in that, not now, not ever.

(mat 6:34)
be not therefore anxious for the morrow, for the morrow shall be anxious for its own things; sufficient for the day is the evil of it.
　

(2co 6:2)
(for he saith, i have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have i succoured thee: Behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)


what is your time accepted? Still future??

(rom 13:11)
and that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: For now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.


(1th 2:19)
for what is our hope, or joy, or crown of rejoicing? are not even ye before our lord jesus christ in his presence?


(luk 17:21)
nor shall they say, lo, here; or lo, there; for lo, the kingdom reign of god is within you.'


if the kingdom is within you, then christ is come within you. In your flesh. Overcoming sin and evil. Giving you his righteousness joy and peace in you, his kingdom


(rom 14:17)
for the kingdom of god is not eating and drinking, but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the holy spirit;


peace el we are brethren in christ, and this is all a blessing to understand as we now dwell in the kingdom of god. There is no blessing waiting for it as though it isn't within you. The worst thing about not believing this, is that then we divorce ourselves from this kindom of christ in you.
Not to argue about i agree. Thank you for your questions. I hope this has all been good for you and others.

In the love of christ,
whitestone

ok .....

 

[amadeus2]

Whitestone I still don't understand how you can call the imminent coming of the Lord a fictional event when the WORD is full references to it. Unless you simply choose not to believe? Whatever, if one lives as though JESUS is about to bring him home any moment and lives ready to face HIM it doesn't really matter whether or not he believes in the reality of the event itself.

Jesus came to planet earth about 2000 years ago according to man's time as a man. That was the first coming, was it not? Would not the second coming for any given man be when Jesus came to that given man as his savior, his redeemer and began the growth of the new man within him?

 

[El Hombre viejo]

Hebrews 10:36-37

King James Version (KJV)

36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.

Matthew 16:25-28

King James Version (KJV)

25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.
26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Matthew 24:26-28

King James Version (KJV)

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

Matthew 24:26-28

King James Version (KJV)

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

Matthew 24:29-31

King James Version (KJV)

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other

Matthew 26:64

King James Version (KJV)

64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
All of the above are future tense. They have not happened as of today.

Another!
Mark 13:1-36

King James Version (KJV)

13 And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!
2 And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately,
4 Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?
5 And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you:
6 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
7 And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled: for such things must needs be; but the end shall not be yet.
8 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows.
9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.
10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.
11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.
12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.
13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
15 And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house:
16 And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment.
17 But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
18 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter.
19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.
20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.
21 And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:
22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.
24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
28 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near:
29 So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors.
30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.
31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
33 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.
34 For the Son of Man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.
35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:
36 Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.

When you brought to court for believing on JESUS? When did your parents or brothers or sisters rat you out to get you into trouble with the law for your beliefs?
When did you see the Antichrist's abomination in the temple that is not even built yet?
These things have not happened yet.
When was the sun darkened? When did the moon not give her light? (I must have missed it.)
When did you see JESUS coming in the clouds in power and glory?
When did the angels gather HIS elect? And why are you not with them?
None of these things have happened yet, but GOD says that they will happen. That means these things are NOT fictitious but are yet to come.
¿Entiendes?

 

[amadeus2]

When you brought to court for believing on JESUS?

Must this literally happen to each and every believer?

When did your parents or brothers or sisters rat you out to get you into trouble with the law for your beliefs?

Who or what is the law? What if all of my natural family predeceased me?

When did you see the Antichrist's abomination in the temple that is not even built yet?

And what is happening right now in the natural church organzations as well as in the fleshly temples of people who are supposed to be following Jesus? What was the tower of Babel? Where is it today?

These things have not happened yet.

Happened or no, if the Lord calls you or me this night to the dust from which we came, what would those things matter if we were not ready like the 5 virgins without any oil?

When was the sun darkened?

If the reference to the sun is the New Testament, hasn't its meaning, its Light, already been darkened by men leading supposedly Christian congregations and groups effectively away from Jesus?

When did the moon not give her light? (I must have missed it.)

If the reference to the moon is the Old Testament, hasn't its meaning, its reflected Light, already had its Light proportionally reduced with the decrease in the Light of the sun?

When did you see JESUS coming in the clouds in power and glory?

What are those clouds? Are they similar or equivalent to the cloud of witnesses of Heb 12:1? Who is able to see Jesus coming in those clouds among those without "eyes to see"? Who has "eyes to see"?

When did the angels gather HIS elect? And why are you not with them?

Haven't they and am I not? Who are the angels who are to do the gathering?

None of these things have happened yet, but GOD says that they will happen. That means these things are NOT fictitious but are yet to come.

Ask the still believing Jews where the Messiah is?

¿Entiendes?

Sí, entiendo bastante bien el español. Todavía tengo problemas en entender todas las cosas de Dios, pero continuo aprendiendo. ¿Puedes ayudarme? ¡Date toda la gloria a Dios!

 

[El Hombre viejo]

Must this literally happen to each and every believer?



Who or what is the law? What if all of my natural family predeceased me?



And what is happening right now in the natural church organzations as well as in the fleshly temples of people who are supposed to be following Jesus? What was the tower of Babel? Where is it today?



Happened or no, if the Lord calls you or me this night to the dust from which we came, what would those things matter if we were not ready like the 5 virgins without any oil?



If the reference to the sun is the New Testament, hasn't its meaning, its Light, already been darkened by men leading supposedly Christian congregations and groups effectively away from Jesus?



If the reference to the moon is the Old Testament, hasn't its meaning, its reflected Light, already had its Light proportionally reduced with the decrease in the Light of the sun?



What are those clouds? Are they similar or equivalent to the cloud of witnesses of Heb 12:1? Who is able to see Jesus coming in those clouds among those without "eyes to see"? Who has "eyes to see"?



Haven't they and am I not? Who are the angels who are to do the gathering?



Ask the still believing Jews where the Messiah is?



Sí, entiendo bastante bien el español. Todavía tengo problemas en entender todas las cosas de Dios, pero continuo aprendiendo. ¿Puedes ayudarme? ¡Date toda la gloria a Dios!

LOL Well I've heard of fuzzy logic but.....I'm done

 

[amadeus2]

LOL Well I've heard of fuzzy logic but.....I'm done

No one said it was logical. Is God to be found with human logic alone? If so then those who are best at logic should be closest to God. Yet then what would this verse mean?

"...Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons" Acts 10:34

Isn't it easier for a person with average or below average intelligence to close to God than for a person with above average intelligence? Careful with this for it is a trick question!