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Stop bumping this thread and move on. You were offered more than enough responses that you've still ignored and that's it, stop typing to force me to respond further. If you continue this behavior I will close your account. I don't like being antagonized. I never "labeled" you as a false teacher.
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For me the message that stands out is LOVE. The stories Jesus tells are ways of helping people understand abstract concepts.
Jesus shows us the way and exhorts us to love everyone, this is the concept of Charity which is the true uninterested love.
By 'turning the other cheek', we are meant to demonstrate to others the way to behave, which is to Love others. Spread the goodness. You can respect your self but still say, 'hey, I'm not going to stoop to your level'.
Jesus shows us the way and exhorts us to love everyone, this is the concept of Charity which is the true uninterested love.
By 'turning the other cheek', we are meant to demonstrate to others the way to behave, which is to Love others. Spread the goodness. You can respect your self but still say, 'hey, I'm not going to stoop to your level'.
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It all has to do with being merciful and not soon angry and full of wrath, BUT! We only have 2 cheeks and just as there is a limit to violating the law of God, we are NOT. the objects of continual abuse
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I believe it all has more to do with mercy which hinges on the righteousness of God and not singling out the one attribute of love
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Wow! Couldn't you have simply sent a private message to deal with this???
I haven't read the entire thread to know who this is addressed to, but try a little of what the Lord's admonition is relating to the verses
Now, if it floats your carnal boat, go ahead and delete my account, no wonder I rarely if ever go on these "Christain" sites with administrators like YOU
Greetings,
how is it obvious? Where, may I ask, does it say such in the Scripture?
Bless you ....><>
how is it obvious? Where, may I ask, does it say such in the Scripture?
Bless you ....><>
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Exo 22:2 "If a thief is caught in the act of breaking into a house and is struck and killed in the process, the person who killed the thief is not guilty of murder.
Psa 82:4 Rescue the weak and the needy; deliver them from the hand of the wicked."
Rescuing a person from the "wicked" certainly would require defending them.
Why would any of the Jesus's disciples ever need a sword if it was not for defending themselves?
Striking a person on the cheek would be known as "insulting" a person with words. Never use force in return over insults, simply overlook them as Jesus says in Luke 6:28, ".....bless those who curse you....."
Psa 144:1 A Psalm of David. Blessed be the LORD my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight:
Who is doing the teaching here? God is.
Psa 82:4 Rescue the weak and the needy; deliver them from the hand of the wicked."
Rescuing a person from the "wicked" certainly would require defending them.
Why would any of the Jesus's disciples ever need a sword if it was not for defending themselves?
Striking a person on the cheek would be known as "insulting" a person with words. Never use force in return over insults, simply overlook them as Jesus says in Luke 6:28, ".....bless those who curse you....."
Psa 144:1 A Psalm of David. Blessed be the LORD my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight:
Who is doing the teaching here? God is.
Greetings,
Scripture tells us that it was in order that He would be numbered with transgressors and rightly so. Mark 15:28
Understanding the numbering with transgressors part is the key . Nothing is said about defending themselves or the LORD.
This does not imply anything for or against any doctrine of defense. Adding our take to Scripture is not going to help us understand any doctrine better.
Bless you ....><>
Scripture tells us that it was in order that He would be numbered with transgressors and rightly so. Mark 15:28
Understanding the numbering with transgressors part is the key . Nothing is said about defending themselves or the LORD.
This does not imply anything for or against any doctrine of defense. Adding our take to Scripture is not going to help us understand any doctrine better.
Bless you ....><>
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In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths.
Proverbs 3:6
Greetings everyone
One thing we can all be certain of is that our Lord will not leave us nor forsake us.
His unfailing Word makes that very clear. We can therefore know with assurance that we can trust Him to guide us in our actions if we seek His will.
Culturally Americans have very different views on issues such as defence and gun laws. Here in Australia and in the UK where guns are not allowed it is very hard to even imagine defending oneself with a gun. So it is hardly surprising that there are some differing viewpoints here on the whole issue of defence.
What matters is not those differing opinions but being in the will of the Lord
Trusting that if we find ourselves in a situation we know that He is there
His name needs to be called on....our hearts need to be submissive to the Lords being the one in control.
Say not thou, I will recompense evil; but wait on the LORD, and He shall save thee.
Proverbs 20:22
Proverbs 3:6
Greetings everyone
One thing we can all be certain of is that our Lord will not leave us nor forsake us.
His unfailing Word makes that very clear. We can therefore know with assurance that we can trust Him to guide us in our actions if we seek His will.
Culturally Americans have very different views on issues such as defence and gun laws. Here in Australia and in the UK where guns are not allowed it is very hard to even imagine defending oneself with a gun. So it is hardly surprising that there are some differing viewpoints here on the whole issue of defence.
What matters is not those differing opinions but being in the will of the Lord
Trusting that if we find ourselves in a situation we know that He is there
His name needs to be called on....our hearts need to be submissive to the Lords being the one in control.
Say not thou, I will recompense evil; but wait on the LORD, and He shall save thee.
Proverbs 20:22
Greetings @Hekuran
I am writing this here for transparency.
May I please attempt to offer an explanation for you ?
False teaching is not tolerated as you are probably aware. What level a member pursues any line of false teachings generally sets the stage, so to speak. For example, if I write false teaching and I am told of my error I can choose to discontinue or to rebel and continue which will lead quickly to the 'severe penalty'. I may however press on in an attempt to persuade others, believing that what I am talking about is true teaching. Sometimes we can keep pushing our point rather than trusting that once is enough.
Walter Wink might have put together a fine theory that some applauded, that the carnal mind might entertain but there is good reason to question doubt as to if he was led by the Spirit of God in his doing so.
Talk Jesus is not here to either discuss other men's teachings nor to promote them.
At the same time, some theories or commentary may also be similarly erroneous or false.
Your particular writing appears to be contrary to the more popular and accepted take on the Scripture in question which in itself is not worthy of penalty but using Winks ideas presented your personal views as to be 'pushing' false teaching.
Perhaps a better response might have been to refrain from attempts to convince anyone further?
If I may say so, I find it somewhat odd that while discussing a topic as has been addressed here in this thread, examples have arisen to help us to see some of the expressions put into action. As I wrote previously, it might be a good opportunity for us all to turn the other cheek and for none of us to give place to the devil.
Please also understand and try to appreciate that others do not necessarily have much spare time to enter into demands (however courteous they may be) for explanation or correction. The Admin here, for example, often becomes extremely busy behind the scenes holding everything together as any forum administrator would know.
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An observation :
While discussing defense we can build a fence from where we then take offense!
Let us continue in love.
Bless you ....><>
I am writing this here for transparency.
May I please attempt to offer an explanation for you ?
False teaching is not tolerated as you are probably aware. What level a member pursues any line of false teachings generally sets the stage, so to speak. For example, if I write false teaching and I am told of my error I can choose to discontinue or to rebel and continue which will lead quickly to the 'severe penalty'. I may however press on in an attempt to persuade others, believing that what I am talking about is true teaching. Sometimes we can keep pushing our point rather than trusting that once is enough.
Walter Wink might have put together a fine theory that some applauded, that the carnal mind might entertain but there is good reason to question doubt as to if he was led by the Spirit of God in his doing so.
Talk Jesus is not here to either discuss other men's teachings nor to promote them.
At the same time, some theories or commentary may also be similarly erroneous or false.
Your particular writing appears to be contrary to the more popular and accepted take on the Scripture in question which in itself is not worthy of penalty but using Winks ideas presented your personal views as to be 'pushing' false teaching.
Perhaps a better response might have been to refrain from attempts to convince anyone further?
If I may say so, I find it somewhat odd that while discussing a topic as has been addressed here in this thread, examples have arisen to help us to see some of the expressions put into action. As I wrote previously, it might be a good opportunity for us all to turn the other cheek and for none of us to give place to the devil.
Please also understand and try to appreciate that others do not necessarily have much spare time to enter into demands (however courteous they may be) for explanation or correction. The Admin here, for example, often becomes extremely busy behind the scenes holding everything together as any forum administrator would know.
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An observation :
While discussing defense we can build a fence from where we then take offense!
Let us continue in love.
Bless you ....><>
Hekuran
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Thank you Br. Bear. It is good to have an explanation.
From the beginning I made it clear that while I admire Wink's work, I am not entirely convinced by his interpretation of these verses. I added the second post not to convince anyone but to give an idea of what is meant by non-violent subversion of evil.
The Bible commentary that Chad posted also uses quite a lot of Wink's ideas, especially in the comments on being sued for clothes.
It looks like I have inadvertently hit on a cultural sore spot - being out of step with the popular and commonly accepted take on Jesus teaching. But that, as you have acknowledged is not false teaching and is not worthy of penalty.
From the beginning I made it clear that while I admire Wink's work, I am not entirely convinced by his interpretation of these verses. I added the second post not to convince anyone but to give an idea of what is meant by non-violent subversion of evil.
The Bible commentary that Chad posted also uses quite a lot of Wink's ideas, especially in the comments on being sued for clothes.
It looks like I have inadvertently hit on a cultural sore spot - being out of step with the popular and commonly accepted take on Jesus teaching. But that, as you have acknowledged is not false teaching and is not worthy of penalty.
