If your brother sins

[B-A-C]

Folks of the OT could "turn from" wicked deeds, but had yet to be give the gift of repentance from ALL sin.
They couldn't yet be reborn.
That is why the Law still provided sacrifices for sins.
We don't have that...convenience(?)... anymore.
Quit committing sin, or die.

Just to clarify... ( I wouldn't doubt that I am mistaken, it wouldn't be the first time )

There was more grace in the old testament under the law? People could be forgiven for their sins then....
But there is no more grace under the new covenant? We have the initial grace of when we first get saved, but after that it's "obey 100% or die"
Is that correct? Please feel free to correct me if that is an incorrect assumption.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

That is correct.
My repentance from sin was real.

Your answer above to this
So by this then are you saying once you yourself had repented then you never sinned again?

You know it's a very Good thing God is patient with us and gives us time to change because if you stood before judgement by God's Word todau you would most definitely have your eyes opened.

Blessings to you

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

All sin is done on purpose. (James 1:14-15)
You are insinuating that

See once again you are confusing scripture.

Not all sin is done on purpose .

I reworded your post for better understanding, by me, so if I have gone too far in my correction, let me know, please.
As I was the target of the original accusation, and have actually taken no offense from it, I feel you are kinda off base for intervening.
If you have a matter against...(I can't remember who), you should deal with him personally.

No sir,
You jumped into something without knowing the full circle of replies .

I have no aught against some one.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

I didn't see the word "repent" in that chapter.
I do see an admission of sin, and read of the Lord's having "put away thy sin".
But I see nothing of David vowing never to sin again.

You see Admission of sin
But you don't see repentance

Have a wonderful day

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

What did Hezekiah repent of?
In the third verse of that chapter we see..."I beseech thee, O Lord, remember now how I have walked before thee in truth and with a perfect heart, and have done that which is good in thy sight." (2 Kings 20:3)
God both healed him and extended his life 15 years.

Your definition of "repent" must surely be different than the bible's, so what is your definition?

What was God's judgement ?
After Hezekiah REPENTING
What was God's actions?

God would not have changed His judgement if he had not repented

Blessings to you

 

[At Peace]

Just to clarify... ( I wouldn't doubt that I am mistaken, it wouldn't be the first time )

There was more grace in the old testament under the law?

If you call Mosaic Law atonements "grace", then yes there was grace in the OT.
As for "more" grace...I can't quantify one against the other covenant.

People could be forgiven for their sins then....

Of course they could be forgiven, but they couldn't be reborn of God's seed. So they couldn't avoid living after the "flesh" like we have been enabled to do in Christ.

But there is no more grace under the new covenant? We have the initial grace of when we first get saved, but after that it's "obey 100% or die"
Is that correct? Please feel free to correct me if that is an incorrect assumption.

Sure there is grace in the new covenant.
It enables us to remain faithful unto death.
It is the false repenters that have abandoned grace who will die with the other unrepentant.
Sinners are still living under the law, for "by the law is the knowledge of sin". (Rom 3:20)
Law keepers-breakers are not under grace.
It is written..."But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law." (Gal 5:18)
And..."Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; ," (1 Tim 1:9-10)
The verses I cite say, in essence, that the wicked are under the law and not under grace.
Folks who commit sin are not living, walking in the Spirit.
They shall suffer the second death.

 

[At Peace]

Your answer above to this
So by this then are you saying once you yourself had repented then you never sinned again?

Correct.
God gives His Spirit to the truly turned from sin.
How can I provoke to wrath such a generous and loving God?

You know it's a very Good thing God is patient with us and gives us time to change because if you stood before judgement by God's Word today you would most definitely have your eyes opened.
Blessings to you

You infer that the obedient to God need to have their eyes opened?
I think you got that backwards.
It is those who think they are pleasing God, while still offending Him, that need to open their eyes.

 

[At Peace]

See once again you are confusing scripture.
Not all sin is done on purpose .

How can you see a sin as accidental after temptation, lust, enticement, and conception? (James 1:14-15)
All sin is done on purpose.

No sir,
You jumped into something without knowing the full circle of replies .
I have no aught against some one.

Then you won't have any problem dropping the subject of "troll" calling.

 

[At Peace]

You see Admission of sin
But you don't see repentance

Have a wonderful day

Admission of sin does not equate to vowing not to sin again.
Again, I ask for your definition of repentance.

 

[At Peace]

What was God's judgement ?
After Hezekiah REPENTING
What was God's actions?

God would not have changed His judgement if he had not repented

Blessings to you

Hezekiah wasn't dying because of some sin, he got sick.
You should reread 2 Kings 20

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

How can you see a sin as accidental after temptation, lust, enticement, and conception? (James 1:14-15)
All sin is done on purpose.


Then you won't have any problem dropping the subject of "troll" calling.

I had you brought it up and I have not called any one as such.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Hezekiah wasn't dying because of some sin, he got sick.
You should reread 2 Kings 20

I thought that this would have rung a bell with you. Reminded you of the following.

2 Chronicles 32:25
But Hezekiah rendered not again according to the benefit done unto him; for his heart was lifted up: therefore there was wrath upon him, and upon Judah and Jerusalem.

26 Notwithstanding Hezekiah humbled himself for the pride of his heart, bothhe and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, so that the wrath of the LORD came not upon them in the days of Hezekiah.

Humbled himself in the passage is referring to Repenting.

Have a great day!

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Admission of sin does not equate to vowing not to sin again.
Again, I ask for your definition of repentance.

Repenting
Admitting your sin
Asking Forgiveness
Turning from it and applying - Doing- changing unto God's ways.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

I reworded your post for better understanding, by me, so if I have gone too far in my correction, let me know, please.
As I was the target of the original accusation, and have actually taken no offense from it, I feel you are kinda off base for intervening.
If you have a matter against...(I can't remember who), you should deal with him personally.

Actually you were one of many and I was called it as well.
There were at least 10 post before you jumped in.

As in doing so, you made replies out of context . so perhaps you could please just let it go? Otherwise it will get so drug out of context and just get no place.

Thank you !

 

[At Peace]

I had you brought it up and I have not called any one as such.

Cool.
It must have been another poster.

 

[At Peace]

I thought that this would have rung a bell with you. Reminded you of the following.

2 Chronicles 32:25
But Hezekiah rendered not again according to the benefit done unto him; for his heart was lifted up: therefore there was wrath upon him, and upon Judah and Jerusalem.

(You could have warned me about jumping to a new book.)..LOL
After Sennacherib was thwarted, Hezekiah got sick and was granted 15 more years of life.
The things done after that, the lifting of his heart, were indeed "repented of".
But even so, since rebirth had yet to be brought to those wanting to remain faithful, their walk in the flesh could not stop.

26 Notwithstanding Hezekiah humbled himself for the pride of his heart, bothhe and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, so that the wrath of the LORD came not upon them in the days of Hezekiah.
Humbled himself in the passage is referring to Repenting.
Have a great day!

We have been writing of completely different scenarios.
I agree with your findings in 2 Chr 32, but there was no repentance in 2 Kings 20.

 

[At Peace]

Repenting
Admitting your sin
Asking Forgiveness
Turning from it and applying - Doing- changing unto God's ways.

Your third "verse" is the correct one.
Parts 1 & 2 are critical too, but plenty of folks admit and ask for forgiveness without "changing".
They have not repented.

 

[At Peace]

Actually you were one of many and I was called it as well.
There were at least 10 post before you jumped in.

As in doing so, you made replies out of context . so perhaps you could please just let it go? Otherwise it will get so drug out of context and just get no place.

Thank you !

OK, water under the bridge.....

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

(You could have warned me about jumping to a new book.)..LOL
After Sennacherib was thwarted, Hezekiah got sick and was granted 15 more years of life.
The things done after that, the lifting of his heart, were indeed "repented of".
But even so, since rebirth had yet to be brought to those wanting to remain faithful, their walk in the flesh could not stop.



We have been writing of completely different scenarios.
I agree with your findings in 2 Chr 32, but there was no repentance in 2 Kings 20.

When I wrote it I was thinking of both and forgot to include both.
In 2 kings his turning his head to the wall and praying telling God His Heart is still usable is to many a repentative heart.

Apologies for the confusion

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Your third "verse" is the correct one.
Parts 1 & 2 are critical too, but plenty of folks admit and ask for forgiveness without "changing".
They have not repented.

You do error in judging by what you don't see.
You have no clue where their heart is and it may take them 50 times before they get it right.

That does not mean they did not genuinely repent.
It means they are a child of God learning to walk in His Ways.

This is not to be confused with those who have no desire to repent and sin anyway because they want to