JESUS THE MEDIATOR OF THE NEW TESTAMENT

[regibassman57]

Bibleguy,
Through this discussion a lot of information has been put out there. Viewer that see these posts have a lot to feed off. You and I have exhausted this discussion and I will not concede, and I know you will not. Maybe we'll meet up on another post based on another subject.

As I love Christ, and my neighbor by puting on His character, "the Fruit of the Spirit of Love," I've fulfilled all the requirements of the Law of Christ.

Rom 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loves another hath fulfilled the law.

Mar 12:30 And thou shall love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
Mar 12:31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

God Bless

 

[Ivar]

@regibassman57

I don't want you to say i put words in your mouth or say I am implying something. So I am asking.

Are you essentially saying or using scripture to show that that the law of Moses / Old Covenant is old wine skins?

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I notice that you have not responded towards my last post even though i included in my post that it was not towards you specifically; At least and at a minimum out consideration. However if you did take great offence; Maybe the Spirit call it accurately and it was directly towards you.

 

[regibassman57]

@Ivar,
Luk 5:37 And no man puts new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish.

The “new wine” is the “Holy Ghost,” the “bottles” are the “human vessels.” Unless God cleansed the vessels before filling it with the Holy Ghost, the vessel will burst; meaning the human receiving the Holy Ghost will die. This is what happened under the old covenant. If a priest entered into the Holy of Holies and were unclean, having sinned, they would die from the presence of THE LORD.

Luk 5:38 But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved.

This is why Jesus cleanses every person that comes to Him from sin (Colossian 2:11). If a person sins, they cannot be in the presence of the Holy Ghost and the Holy Ghost cannot abide in them. If this happens they will die.

Luk 5:39 No man also having drunk old wine straightway desires new: for he said, The old is better.

People are content with what they have, even if they have not understood the new; because change is difficult.

 

[Ivar]

@Ivar,
Luk 5:37 And no man puts new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish.

The “new wine” is the “Holy Ghost,” the “bottles” are the “human vessels.” Unless God cleansed the vessels before filling it with the Holy Ghost, the vessel will burst; meaning the human receiving the Holy Ghost will die. This is what happened under the old covenant. If a priest entered into the Holy of Holies and were unclean, having sinned, they would die from the presence of THE LORD.

Luk 5:38 But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved.

This is why Jesus cleanses every person that comes to Him from sin (Colossian 2:11). If a person sins, they cannot be in the presence of the Holy Ghost and the Holy Ghost cannot abide in them. If this happens they will die.

Luk 5:39 No man also having drunk old wine straightway desires new: for he said, The old is better.

People are content with what they have, even if they have not understood the new; because change is difficult.

@regibassman57 so are you saying that before Christ that the Spirit of the Lord "this new wine" was never with Men?

 

[Gigiloveslife]

Ephesians 2:15
Colossians 2:14

Bob George Classic Christianity - great book that God used to help me understand that we are dead to the law. The law's purpose is to drive us to failure and it serves its purpose when it does that and drives us to Christ. Once we are in Christ, we are dead to the law. Once the new Law (the Law of the Spirit of life in Jesus Christ) is written on our hearts, we are new creations - we will no longer be content to sin and chase after the flesh for very long for the life of Christ in us. We were crucified with Christ and we were buried with Him and raised to new life in Him -- these things are facts whether we feel them or not. We are now united with Christ and His life is our life now.

 

[Ivar]

@Gigiloveslife

What is your understanding of not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and faith toward God?
Also what is the end result of perpetually laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God?

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Hebrews 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

Hebrews 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

Hebrews 6:3 And this will we do, if God permit.
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[regibassman57]

@Ivar,
The spirit of God came upon men the Lord used under the First Covenant (1Sa 11:6) to perform a particular work; but the Holy Ghost would not abide in man as He does New Covenant believer. They were sinful vessel, but when they came in the presence of God, they had a ritual of cleansing they had to undergo.

 

[Gigiloveslife]

@Gigiloveslife

What is your understanding of not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and faith toward God?
Also what is the end result of perpetually laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God?

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Hebrews 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

Hebrews 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

Hebrews 6:3 And this will we do, if God permit.
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We should repent from dead works (works of trying to keep the law that can only lead to death because we can never fulfill the law....ever, ever, ever....)

The foundation of faith toward God is putting our entire faith only in the saving and finished work of Christ on the cross on our behalf. There is nothing to add to the cross, our entire faith rests solely on *HIS* perfection and His accomplishing through his perfect life what we could never do and dying to take away our sins (which we could never pay)

I don't fully understand your second question, but obviously, the author was saying that he was hopeful that they could move on from the basic foundational truths (which is the gospel itself) and he should be able to be speaking deeper truths to them, but they weren't able to receive it yet since they couldn't quite grasp that they were no longer bound to the law and that their full faith needed to be in Christ and Christ alone.

 

[Ivar]

@regibassman57

Is the spirit of God and the Holy Ghost two different entities?

Were all the men who were counted righteous before God burst?

Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.

Luke 1:6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
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[Ivar]

We should repent from dead works (works of trying to keep the law that can only lead to death because we can never fulfill the law....ever, ever, ever....)

The foundation of faith toward God is putting our entire faith only in the saving and finished work of Christ on the cross on our behalf. There is nothing to add to the cross, our entire faith rests solely on *HIS* perfection and His accomplishing through his perfect life what we could never do and dying to take away our sins (which we could never pay)

I don't fully understand your second question, but obviously, the author was saying that he was hopeful that they could move on from the basic foundational truths (which is the gospel itself) and he should be able to be speaking deeper truths to them, but they weren't able to receive it yet since they couldn't quite grasp that they were no longer bound to the law and that their full faith needed to be in Christ and Christ alone.

@Gigiloveslife

Your Response:

I don't fully understand your second question, but obviously, the author was saying that he was hopeful that they could move on from the basic foundational truths (which is the gospel itself) and he should be able to be speaking deeper truths to them, but they weren't able to receive it yet since they couldn't quite grasp that they were no longer bound to the law and that their full faith needed to be in Christ and Christ alone.

My Respone:


Do you think their could be some relevancy based off your responses that would make me ask that second question?
If so are you able to perceive or make some kind of educated guess?
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What do these two verses mean to you?

Philippians 4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

1 Corinthians 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
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Also can all sin be considered lust after your own will or desires? For example when Eve lusted after the fruit and is counted with the transgression? or Samson did his own thing instead of listening to The Lord?

James 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

James 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

James 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

1 Timothy 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

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[regibassman57]

@Ivar,
The Spirit of God, the Holy Ghost and Jesus are one (1John 5:7).

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh (John 1:14), justified in the Spirit (John 14:26), seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles (John 12:49), believed on in the world, received up into glory (Acts 1:11).

1Co 12:4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
1Co 12:5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
1Co 12:6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.

Psa 33:6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.

All things were made by God, His Word and the Holy Ghost (John 1:1-3)

 

[Ivar]

@regibassman57
One in the same or agree in one?
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Your Response:
All things were made by God, His Word and the Holy Ghost (John 1:1-3)

My response:
According to the volume of the book that is incorrect statement.

 

[regibassman57]

@Ivar,
What volume of the Book are you talking about?

 

[Ivar]

@Ivar,
What volume of the Book are you talking about?

@regibassman57

I look at the sum of all the books in the bible as one book. When it comes to greater understanding I might compartmentalized but at the end of the day it is all one book or one word. That is why I said according to the volume of the book that is wrong. If you ask why then I will break it down.

 

[regibassman57]

Ivar,
Jesus is the Word of God, the Holy Ghost is the breath of God.

God spoke the His Word, the Word is Jesus and the Spirit gives life. God breathed into Adam the breath of Life (Gen. 2:7).

Col 1:16 For by Jesus were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Col 1:17 And Jesus is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Joh 20:22 And when Jesus had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

 

[Ivar]

Ivar,
Jesus is the Word of God, the Holy Ghost is the breath of God.

God spoke the His Word, the Word is Jesus and the Spirit gives life. God breathed into Adam the breath of Life (Gen. 2:7).

Col 1:16 For by Jesus were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Col 1:17 And Jesus is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Joh 20:22 And when Jesus had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

@regibassman57
those scriptures are accurate in the context they are being used; however not entirely accurate when it comes to the volume of the book.

 

[Gigiloveslife]

My Respone:


Do you think their could be some relevancy based off your responses that would make me ask that second question?
If so are you able to perceive or make some kind of educated guess?
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What do these two verses mean to you?

Not interested in debating - just wanted to share my views on the subject which I have already done. Take care.

 

[Ivar]

Not interested in debating - just wanted to share my views on the subject which I have already done. Take care.

@Gigiloveslife

Disclaimer and FYI: Notice none of my current statements have a question mark.

Is me asking questions debating you.
I do find your views incorrect according to the volume of the book but as you said you just wanted to share your views and I have shared mines concerning your view and the matter.

Shalom

 

[regibassman57]

Ivar,
You presented this as a question: "One in the same or agree in one?"
I've proven both...
The Son comes from the Bosom of the Father. And the Spirit is the breath of God.

Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

 

[bibleguy]

Ephesians 2:15
Colossians 2:14

Bob George Classic Christianity - great book that God used to help me understand that we are dead to the law. The law's purpose is to drive us to failure and it serves its purpose when it does that and drives us to Christ. Once we are in Christ, we are dead to the law. Once the new Law (the Law of the Spirit of life in Jesus Christ) is written on our hearts, we are new creations - we will no longer be content to sin and chase after the flesh for very long for the life of Christ in us. We were crucified with Christ and we were buried with Him and raised to new life in Him -- these things are facts whether we feel them or not. We are now united with Christ and His life is our life now.

Hi! I'm thinking something must be a bit incorrect here.....given that Jesus clearly expected us to obey even the smallest of Torah commands (Mt. 5:19), and teach others to likewise obey them, so as to be great in the forthcoming kingdom....

I'd be happy to chat about this if you like.

blessings....