Isaiah 53... and the connection with Jesus...

[Lily Miller]

In the book of Isaiah there is a lot of knowledge, but I would specifically like to hit on one chapter, in which it talks about Jesus. I once was sharing with a sister (she was Jewish), whenever we would talk about Jesus she would always tell me about Isaiah 53, and how the Jews refuse to acknowledge it because it describes the Messiah perfectly.

They don't want to acknowledge it because they don't want to accept that he is the Messiah, they wanted someone who could conquer all and help them be God's people again. I believe this is why so many Jewish people will be so thankful when the Anti-Christ comes, just plainly because they want their temple and they want to be on top again, but if you read the book of Revelation and you listen to what Jesus spoke about in Mt 24, then you can see that they will be deceived. It will happen so quickly...

These are just a few thoughts I've had, especially after listening to my friend talk about her Jewish roots. I am wondering why, people are so closed off when it comes to being malleable, they don't listen to Moses, Jesus, Paul, Peter, anyone... They want to do what it is that they want to do and is causes for a big gap; a gap between that person and God.

I guess I am making this post to just kind of show how irritating we can all be, I can imagine that God is pretty darn fed up with us. He has tried to help us out since day one and we've always turned our backs on him we've never been able to stay true to God and what he has told us; and the truth that he had brought us, through his son Jesus. We are all just leaning on our own understanding of something when that is something we are not supposed to do.

I am not trying to bash and Jews, so I am sorry if it seems that way. These things that I have wrote are thoughts from a deer friend, and my thoughts as well.

 

[regibassman57]

@lilly Miller,

I guess I am making this post to just kind of show how irritating we can all be, I can imagine that God is pretty darn fed up with us. He has tried to help us out since day one and we've always turned our backs on him we've never been able to stay true to God and what he has told us; and the truth that he had brought us, through his son Jesus. We are all just leaning on our own understanding of something when that is something we are not supposed to do.

Though God is not willing that any man perish, He is no longer "fed up" with man because His word has been fulfilled. The ball is in our court now, and God has put in our hands the decision if we will be saved or not. God is in total peace with His Church; His word "cannot" come back unto Him void. Before Christ came and fulfilled what Adam and Israel did not, God was fed up, that's why He destroyed the world; with the exception of Noah and his family. Now that Jesus has fulfilled all Righteousness, God Loves the world in peace.

Romans 5:1
Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

 

[Lily Miller]

@lilly Miller,



Though God is not willing that any man perish, He is no longer "fed up" with man because His word has been fulfilled. The ball is in our court now, and God has put in our hands the decision if we will be saved or not. God is in total peace with His Church; His word "cannot" come back unto Him void. Before Christ came and fulfilled what Adam and Israel did not, God was fed up, that's why He destroyed the world; with the exception of Noah and his family. Now that Jesus has fulfilled all Righteousness, God Loves the world in peace.

Romans 5:1
Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

I do agree with you when you say that we are at peace with God, but I do still believe that he is still fed up with us, because we are constantly doing things we shouldn't be doing. You are correct when you say that God doesn't want anyone to perish, that is why he has and still is, giving us multiple chances to repent (turn away). We need to be able to own up to those things and actually repent (turn away) from what we are doing. That is why God is fed up with us, because we are not listening to His Son (Jesus) and we just keep doing what we are doing, we never truly repent, and that makes God mad; that is why this time, when God destroys the Earth, it is going to be the worst of it yet. He's fed up with not being listened to.

 

[regibassman57]

@Lily Miller,
From Adam until the Mosaic Law, God showed His anger because His spoken word was not being obeyed and it had not been fulfilled eternally - as He established it at the time of creation. God was fed up under the Mosaic Law and it was as if God was "forcefully making" people do His will, by punishing them if they didn't obey and repent. We are no longer being punished because God is resting as He did when He finished His work at the beginning. God came out of His rest to reconcile all things back unto Himself. Now that "All things" are reconciled back unto God, He knows He never has to do anything else for His word to be fulfilled. God has no reason to be fed up because His word has been fulfilled for Eternity. Anyone that desires Eternal Life must repent and do their part if they truly desire life. God's part is finished and He will never worry about His word coming back unto Him void.

John 6:44
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:45
It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

God has made the way for all that desire to have life and come, if they are willing to obey and learn to walk by faith.

Hebrews 5:9
And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

 

[Dave M]

but I do still believe that he is still fed up with us

absolutely that is why we are going to have the great tribulation although I am starting tho think the church is going to be raptured and spared from his wrath, and that it is mainly for the Jews and the rest of the world to suffer. But either way this tribulation is going to be worst then any other time period of wrath put on people so yes he is still fed up with some people IMO

 

[Lily Miller]

@Lily Miller,
From Adam until the Mosaic Law, God showed His anger because His spoken word was not being obeyed and it had not been fulfilled eternally - as He established it at the time of creation. God was fed up under the Mosaic Law and it was as if God was "forcefully making" people do His will, by punishing them if they didn't obey and repent. We are no longer being punished because God is resting as He did when He finished His work at the beginning. God came out of His rest to reconcile all things back unto Himself. Now that "All things" are reconciled back unto God, He knows He never has to do anything else for His word to be fulfilled. God has no reason to be fed up because His word has been fulfilled for Eternity. Anyone that desires Eternal Life must repent and do their part if they truly desire life. God's part is finished and He will never worry about His word coming back unto Him void.

John 6:44
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:45
It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

God has made the way for all that desire to have life and come, if they are willing to obey and learn to walk by faith.

Hebrews 5:9
And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

You are not making sense brother, I understand that God was upset with the Israelite's (during the period of the Mosaic Law) but God is still upset, that is why us Christians are going to have to go through the Tribulation, that is why the Book of Revelation exists, he is still upset with us. I am kind of confused on your standpoint and what you are trying to say, some clarification would be nice.

I am also confused about the verses you have given to me, they do not make sense with what I am talking about, I am not saying that Jesus is not the Word of God, I am not saying that people don't have to listen to him. I am saying that people do have to listen to him, and based off of the fact that not a single person is listening to him perfectly; that is why God is mad. In the Revelation of Jesus Christ, Jesus is speaking to a Church (Ephesus) saying that they have done so many things right but that they are lacking in one thing, they lost their first love, and I believe that their first love is Jesus. God is still mad at all of us, and that is a proven fact just by the book of Revelation, and I have said that before.

I do believe that we as Christians, if we are following and Listening to Jesus (which most of us are not), we will be at Peace with God just as the verse says (Romans 5:1), I also believe that God is very angry with us, because we are not listening to Jesus. In some way or another we are doing things that God doesn't like, I mean the Jews of Jesus' day crucified him because they didn't want to listen to him, what makes you think people would listen now.

Romans 1:18
"18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth."

John 3:36
" 36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him."

Isaiah 26:21
"21 For behold, the Lord is coming out from his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity, and the earth will disclose the blood shed on it, and will no more cover its slain."

Revelation 19:11-15
"11 Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! The one sitting on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war. 12 His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems, and he has a name written that no one knows but himself. 13 He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God. 14 And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, were following him on white horses. 15 From his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron. He will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty...."

Romans 6:23
"23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."

Revelation 20:15
"15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire."

Romans 2:5
" 5 But because of your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God's righteous judgment will be revealed."

Romans 5:9
"9 Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God."

Ephesians 5:6
"6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience."

Romans 12:19
"19 Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, 'Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.'"

In these verses I see it being helpful to actually look at the Wrath of God (which we are certainly going to experience), these verses helped me realize how important it is to actually look at God seriously, and listen to His Son. If you read all the way through the Gospels, you will see Jesus preaching to others, and you will also see that the Pharisees hated Him because He was teaching them how to not put yourself in a position of honor; and that you should let others do that for you. He was teaching people how to be closer to God and to get their praise from God rather than from man, but the Pharisees didn't like that, so they killed Him. Do you see churches today listening to Jesus? I see a few, but not all of them; we are still not listening to Jesus whether you would like to admit it or not; read the Gospels and then look around, you will see it clearly. That is why God's Wrath will be poured out on us again, we need to be ready for it; we need to be ready to give up what we think is right, to listen to God and to listen to His Son, Jesus.


@Dave M

I would agree with you on the part where you say that someone will be going through the Tribulation, but I believe that we will all go through it, Jews, the rest of the world, us Christians; we all have to go through it, as a test for our faith I believe. But again this is all IMO, I'm just guessing, Just like you are. No one really knows for sure, only God. We all just have to make sure that we are listening to Jesus until the time comes, whether it is the rapture first, or the Tribulation first, we need to be prepared for either of these things.

 

[regibassman57]

@Dave,

absolutely that is why we are going to have the great tribulation although I am starting tho think the church is going to be raptured and spared from his wrath, and that it is mainly for the Jews and the rest of the world to suffer. But either way this tribulation is going to be worst then any other time period of wrath put on people so yes he is still fed up with some people IMO

God knew after Adam sinned He would destroy the world because sinned defiled the world itself (Isa. 24:5). Once God destroyed the world the first time He was fed up. With Israel He was fed up; but He has no reason to be fed up now. What reason can you give of why God should be fed up according to scripture? God's word is fulfilled. The world is standing because the prophecies are not complete. God is not an impatient Father; He has perfect patience and He knows man's character. The Great Tribulation is part of the prophecies that have been spoken before Christ. God in His patience is letting all things play itself out. If God didn't already know what He prophesied He would be fed up.

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us- ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

God's wrath has been from the beginning as I've said, and there is a time for it. God does not have to be fed up because He pre-ordained this punishment under the fist covenant. God is merciful toward man, not angry because through the blood of Jesus He's satisfied. It was sin that angered God. Sin is no more as God sees it. Fruitful works are the believers responsibility and if they are unfruitful they will die. God is not impatient.

Isaiah 53:11
He (God) shall see of the travail of his soul (Jesus), and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

 

[regibassman57]

@lilly Miller,
The wrath of God has always been in place from the beginning and even more when He prophesied them. Where in the new covenant are we taught God is angry at His children?

 

[Lily Miller]

@lilly Miller,
The wrath of God has always been in place from the beginning and even more when He prophesied them. Where in the new covenant are we taught God is angry at His children?

There is proof that God is angry with us, I gave you proof from the New and the Old Covenant, did you read the verses I have given? In Romans 3:23 it literally says that we have all sinned and fallen short of God's glory. Would you be okay if your Son told you that he doesn't have to listen to what you say? None of us are listening to Jesus, there is proof in the whole NT that we don't.

I gave you examples, but I feel as if you don't really care for them so I will probably be done posting on this.

 

[regibassman57]

@lilly Miller,

There is proof that God is angry with us, I gave you proof from the New and the Old Covenant, did you read the verses I have given? In Romans 3:23 it literally says that we have all sinned and fallen short of God's glory. Would you be okay if your Son told you that he doesn't have to listen to what you say? None of us are listening to Jesus, there is proof in the whole NT that we don't.

I gave you examples, but I feel as if you don't really care for them so I will probably be done posting on this.

The scriptures you presented do not show God is angry with His Church. I didn't address the scriptures you presented because none of them had to do with the church. And as far as sinners are concerned, they are already condemned in God's sight. There is a finality with unbelievers unless they repent. This is why God does not have to be fed up with anyone. GOD's word has been fulfilled. Everything is just playing itself out. God knows the outcome. Those that believe shall be saved, and those that don't believe will not be saved.

 

[Lily Miller]

@lilly Miller,


The scriptures you presented do not show God is angry with His Church. I didn't address the scriptures you presented because none of them had to do with the church. And as far as sinners are concerned, they are already condemned in God's sight. There is a finality with unbelievers unless they repent. This is why God does not have to be fed up with anyone. GOD's word has been fulfilled. Everything is just playing itself out. God knows the outcome. Those that believe shall be saved, and those that don't believe will not be saved.

I don't see the point in having an argument with you, the verses don't speak about the Church but I can tell you one thing, and that is: Don't think that you are better than what you are, we are all sinners and we all need to be prepared to not be saved by God, He is upset with us and that is what it is, please reread the scriptures because I think you are missing out on the bigger picture. No one listens to Jesus perfectly and that is how we will be Judged, is by what Jesus spoke "There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day." John 12:48. If you don't listen to Jesus you will not be saved, and we're all ignoring Jesus, please don't think you're perfect because you will fall, (1 Corinthians 10:12 "So if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don't fall") no one is perfect but Jesus, you aren't listening to him, just like I'm not, just like your pastor is not. We all fall short of the glory of God, and God's glory is His Word, Jesus; Jesus is his glory, and we are all falling short of it.

I hope that we can all be saved by God, but Jesus says that there will be people who will call him Lord but they won't get into heaven, He says these people will know Him, but He doesn't know them. Take this into consideration, it is something we all need to be taking into consideration.

This will be my last post to you on here, with Love, Lily.

 

[regibassman57]

@lilly Miller,

I don't see the point in having an argument with you, the verses don't speak about the Church but I can tell you one thing, and that is: Don't think that you are better than what you are, we are all sinners and we all need to be prepared to not be saved by God,

Lilly, this is not an argument. You are presenting scriptures you believe to be true and I'm doing the same. Your anger feelings is inside you, that is the warfare you take the victory over, not this conversation. Peace...

He is upset with us and that is what it is, please reread the scriptures because I think you are missing out on the bigger picture. No one listens to Jesus perfectly and that is how we will be Judged, is by what Jesus spoke "

God has given us Grace to fall and His love for us is beyond our comprehension. I don't have to listen to God perfectly, His Grace is sufficient for me in His love; and He's not angry with me. I don't know how long you've been serving God, but as you grow you will learn to serve Him comfortably without condemning yourself. I used to condemn myself but not anymore because I understand His love.

There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day."

I'm not sure where you read this in scripture, but I have love for you because you are a child of God, but I don't take your word for speaking about Christ unless you show me in His word according to the context.

If you don't listen to Jesus you will not be saved, and we're all ignoring Jesus, please don't think you're perfect because you will fall, (1 Corinthians 10:12 "So if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don't fall") no one is perfect but Jesus, you aren't listening to him, just like I'm not, just like your pastor is not. We all fall short of the glory of God, and God's glory is His Word, Jesus; Jesus is his glory, and we are all falling short of it.

I believe "all" things are possible to them that believe and I can do anything I'm told in Christ. Your reply seems to say you do agree you can?

Mark 9:23
Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.

I hope that we can all be saved by God, but Jesus says that there will be people who will call him Lord but they won't get into heaven, He says these people will know Him, but He doesn't know them. Take this into consideration, it is something we all need to be taking into consideration.
This will be my last post to you on here, with Love, Lily.

The only way this will happen is if a person does not believe they can do what Christ tells them. If a man does not love Christ they are tares in the body of Christ (Joh. 14:23; 1Joh. 2:4).

The verses below is what God will develop in a person that believes Him.

Hebrews 13:21
God makes you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Matthew 5:48
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Luke 6:40
The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.

If you don't believe it will never happen.

 

[this human]

There's a phrase in the Bible: every man does what is right in his own eyes and, I might add, most humans hope what they have done bends God to let them make it. Truth is only God/Jesus has provided that we might and can provide that we do. Only the Bible with God provides that we can know what really making it is really about.