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Can a person obtain Eternal Life Without Loving Jesus?

All believers will have a love for Christ to some degree after they are saved.

There is only ''one'' degree that gets one saved. If we cannot lay our life down for Jesus we do not deserve Him / we are not saved Matt 16:24 'but whoever loses their life for me will find it'. God reveals Jesus to us. Not any preacher! Matt 16:16-17, 1 Cor 12:3 'only by the Holy Spirit can you call Jesus Lord'. God judges the depths of our hearts and minds Jer 17:9-11. God does not graft in someone who does not lay his life down. God does not make mistakes. He is not a human.

Peter boasted of his loyalty to Christ. (Matt. 26:33) John was known as the disciple who Jesus loved. (John 13:23, 19:26, 20:2, 21:7, 21:20). In the end, at the cross, where are they to be found?

Peter has denied Him. Though all disciples forsook him at the first, John went back and is standing with Mary at the foot of the Cross. He went back to the One who loved him, and who he in turn, loved. (John 19:26)

If Peter died before he got a chance to go back, would he be in heaven?
 
Perhaps not for dishes, but certainly if they were unfaithful to me. Many people forsook God in the Bible, were unfaithful and worshipped other gods.

You also had disciples who followed His earthly ministry and eventually left Him. (John 6:66)
For they didn't believe, and of course did not come to love Him or in my opinion why would they have left Him.
Yet, that was a different time, without the Holy Spirit being given unto them as is the case with us who are drawn to Him.
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As Sister Fragrant Grace has stated, it a growing process for sure. We know that He first loved us (1 John 4:9), so when the knowledge of how great His Love of us begins to open within us a greater understanding, that we get to not only know what love is but live that love in return it to the Glory of God.

For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man; That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, May be able to comprehend with all saints what [is] the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God. Ephesians 3:14-19

That Love experience starts at the Cross, when we can see the Love of God and the price that Love may require of us.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16
Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. John 15:13

Yet we know that it doesn't stop there for us who still live in His Love for we don't come to a full understanding of this love without the fullness of God. That our Father may continue to grow/shape us in that knowledge of His great Love, that we in turn may Love Him even more than we do now.

But now, O LORD, thou [art] our father; we [are] the clay, and thou our potter; and we all [are] the work of thy hand. Isaiah 64:8
And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, Romans 9:23

Please don't tie God's Love into Works alone! For even if you could do what our Lord did by dying on the Cross, which is the ultimate of love, you would still not know the fullness of His Love, for you, nor could you ever fully give it back, try as one might. Yet, try we do, so don't diminish what another can or cannot do for Christ. For you might very well could be bringing low what is to the Glory of God.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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Where do you get that?

Just because scripture says our good works are like filthy rags, does not mean we don't have any ''good''. The context is as pertains to being guiltless of sin.

There was a separation between those who repented of sins (good) and those who did not (bad) in the OT in Hades.

God says James 4:8 ''draw near to me and I will draw near to you''. Drawing near to God = good. James 4:8 goes on to say stop wickedness.
Stopping wickedness = good. Hating what is wicked = good Rom 12:9. God chose Abraham because he was good. God chose David, because He was good. God chose Moses, because he was good. God chose you and I, because we were good.

All this ''we have no good'' is a line a Calvinist uses. Are you a Calvinist?
No I am not a Calvinist... I think we are in agreement. What I mean is, we can't muster up enough righteousness or be clean enough for God to forgive us based on our merits, but rather we come to Him as sinners begging forgiveness.
 
There is only ''one'' degree that gets one saved. If we cannot lay our life down for Jesus we do not deserve Him / we are not saved Matt 16:24 'but whoever loses their life for me will find it'. God reveals Jesus to us. Not any preacher! Matt 16:16-17, 1 Cor 12:3 'only by the Holy Spirit can you call Jesus Lord'. God judges the depths of our hearts and minds Jer 17:9-11. God does not graft in someone who does not lay his life down. God does not make mistakes. He is not a human.



If Peter died before he got a chance to go back, would he be in heaven?

There is no degree of love required to get one saved. Faith in Christ is all that is required. The love comes from God.

Peter was already saved.

Quantrill
 
Yet, that was a different time, without the Holy Spirit being given unto them as is the case with us who are drawn to Him.

and yet, even those who have partaken (consumed) the Holy Spirit can fall away.

Heb 6:4; For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit,
Heb 6:5; and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,
Heb 6:6; and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.

People are certainly capable of resisting the Holy Spirit.

Acts 7:51; "You men who are stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears are always resisting the Holy Spirit; you are doing just as your fathers did.

Please don't tie God's Love into Works alone! For even if you could do what our Lord did by dying on the Cross, which is the ultimate of love, you would still not know the fullness of His Love, for you, nor could you ever fully give it back, try as one might.

I could debate this also, but keep in mind, even if we never lose the love of God, the "love" of God is not the "salvation" of God.
God loves even the unsaved.
 
and yet, even those who have partaken (consumed) the Holy Spirit can fall away.

Wasn't the point I was trying to make, but true.

I could debate this also, but keep in mind, even if we never lose the love of God, the "love" of God is not the "salvation" of God.
God loves even the unsaved.

When talking to Brothers & Sisters in Christ Jesus, who I assume are in good standing :-) Salvation was not the subject of consideration for me to write what I did.

Love you Brother.
YBIC
Nick
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Are you serious? It is simple belief that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and Saviour. And one comes to Him for that salvation.

Quantrill
I have to ask as it is as though you did not read my post.

Is this something we can do? We can muster up / originate on our own, this faith in Christ?
 
I could debate this also, but keep in mind, even if we never lose the love of God, the "love" of God is not the "salvation" of God.
God loves even the unsaved.
Amen!
People tend to apply that "nothing can separate one from Gods Love" means one is eternally secure in Christ. It doesn't because it is clearly written God Loved us even when we were still sinners.

God is not condemning sinners in this hour, man is but God Loves them and is counting on His own to take Him to them.

God is Love!!
 
I have to ask as it is as though you did not read my post.

Is this something we can do? We can muster up / originate on our own, this faith in Christ?

No, our faith comes from God. (Eph. 2:8)

Quantrill
 
No, our faith comes from God. (Eph. 2:8)
Quantrill, I have to be pedantic, thanks for bearing with me. You are scoring 10/10. I am in full agreement with you.

So, now. Who does God give this faith to?
 
Quantrill, I have to be pedantic, thanks for bearing with me. You are scoring 10/10. I am in full agreement with you.

So, now. Who does God give this faith to?

This type of questioning is usually a means for a setup question down the road. But, that's fine.

God gives this faith to those who are of Him. He opens their eyes to see the kingdom of God. (John 3:3) They in turn believe and turn to Christ. They then enter the kingdom of God, (John 3:5), and are born again. (1 Peter 1:3)

Quantrill
 
I was listening to a Johnny Cash song a while back, the chorus of the song says "ever since time, nothing's ever been found that's stronger than love".

Now I don't if there is scripture to support that or not. But it made we wonder if that was true.

In the old testament, people didn't have some of the things we have today to "help" them along the walk.

They had to obey the rules... "because I told you so".

In the new Testament we have the Holy Spirit to help us. But we should also love Jesus... enough.

Enough? Enough to what? Enough to do what He asks us to do. Charles Spurgeon said "obedience is the proof of love".

In other words, if someone I don't like tells me to do something, I really have no motivation to do it. (unless maybe I get paid for doing it, or something like that).

But if I love someone, really love them... One of the definitions of love according to Webster, is caring about someone else, more than you do about yourself.

The Bible says if we love the world, (even our own families) more than we love Jesus, we aren't worthy of Him.

If we really love someone.. wouldn't we want to the opportunity to show them how how much we love them?
 
God gives this faith to those who are of Him. He opens their eyes to see the kingdom of God. (John 3:3) They in turn believe and turn to Christ. They then enter the kingdom of God, (John 3:5), and are born again. (1 Peter 1:3)

What do you mean ''of Him''. Whose eyes does He open?
 
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