Spiritual Treason

[Wired 4 Fishen]

This was a Word from God that a Brother in Christ (Mark Taylor) Received on March 3 , 17.

I have read through a lot of His writings and listened to him on videos and two things stand out.

They Bear Witness with the Spirit.
I have seen them come to pass and some in the works.

So I wanted to share this here and now. We all have seen this.
Blessings in Christ
Wired


03-03-17
Spiritual Treason

The Spirit of God says, "Why are My people attacking one another? Why are My people engaging in friendly fire? Friendly fire will not be tolerated! Just because you
disagree with that person doesn't give you the right to murder that person with your words. "Thou shall not murder!" Repent! You will be held accountable for every word you speak.

The religious, legalistic and critical spirits that are on My people are creating division and chaos. Can you not see that you are being used by the Kingdom of
Darkness? You are aiding the enemy! How can you take on an enemy that you are a part of?

You are using My written word as an intellectual weapon against My people. You Brood of Vipers! My written word was meant to be wielded against the enemy not
the people of God. Repent, you who commit Spiritual Treason!

You think because you know my written word that you know Me, but your hearts are far from Me. Your intellecl, your so called knowledge, has created a spiritual arrogance, and your pride is
separating you from Me. lf the written word was alive in you, you would not use it to attack My people. Repent!"

The Spirit of God says, 'Where is the sound of unity? Where is the mercy and grace that I have shown you? Why are you not showing it to others? Why has your love grown cold? Put your petty differences aside. My love is unconditional. Love each other deeply. Love covers a multitude of sins and My mercy endures forever.
The love, mercy, grace, and unity that I am looking for will be what it takes in these days ahead to
push back the forces of darkness so My gospel can go forth. These attributes are what's needed to be a part of my Army. I am looking for men and women of God to put
their differences aside, come together in unity, for this common cause in fonvarding My Kingdom.

My Army is making great strides against the Kingdom of Darkness! Taking ground! Holding ground! They will be an unstoppable force in the days ahead. Unify, unify, unify! I am calling on My troops to unify now

 

[Christ4Ever]

The Spirit of God says, "Why are My people attacking one another? Why are My people engaging in friendly fire? Friendly fire will not be tolerated! Just because you
disagree with that person doesn't give you the right to murder that person with your words. "Thou shall not murder!" Repent! You will be held accountable for every word you speak.

Amen!

 

[Quantrill]

This was a Word from God that a Brother in Christ (Mark Taylor) Received on March 3 , 17.

I have read through a lot of His writings and listened to him on videos and two things stand out.

They Bear Witness with the Spirit.
I have seen them come to pass and some in the works.

So I wanted to share this here and now. We all have seen this.
Blessings in Christ
Wired


03-03-17
Spiritual Treason

The Spirit of God says, "Why are My people attacking one another? Why are My people engaging in friendly fire? Friendly fire will not be tolerated! Just because you
disagree with that person doesn't give you the right to murder that person with your words. "Thou shall not murder!" Repent! You will be held accountable for every word you speak.

The religious, legalistic and critical spirits that are on My people are creating division and chaos. Can you not see that you are being used by the Kingdom of
Darkness? You are aiding the enemy! How can you take on an enemy that you are a part of?

You are using My written word as an intellectual weapon against My people. You Brood of Vipers! My written word was meant to be wielded against the enemy not
the people of God. Repent, you who commit Spiritual Treason!

You think because you know my written word that you know Me, but your hearts are far from Me. Your intellecl, your so called knowledge, has created a spiritual arrogance, and your pride is
separating you from Me. lf the written word was alive in you, you would not use it to attack My people. Repent!"

The Spirit of God says, 'Where is the sound of unity? Where is the mercy and grace that I have shown you? Why are you not showing it to others? Why has your love grown cold? Put your petty differences aside. My love is unconditional. Love each other deeply. Love covers a multitude of sins and My mercy endures forever.
The love, mercy, grace, and unity that I am looking for will be what it takes in these days ahead to
push back the forces of darkness so My gospel can go forth. These attributes are what's needed to be a part of my Army. I am looking for men and women of God to put
their differences aside, come together in unity, for this common cause in fonvarding My Kingdom.

My Army is making great strides against the Kingdom of Darkness! Taking ground! Holding ground! They will be an unstoppable force in the days ahead. Unify, unify, unify! I am calling on My troops to unify now

So, everyone must agree with you and Mark Taylor? Else, I am a traitor and guilty of causing division. Sorry, that aint going to happen. First of all, you and Mark make a nice speech, but not one word of Scripture. Of course you say the Spirit bears witness of this. But then, I am trusting you understood the Spirit.

This idea of 'putting your differences aside and come together in unity' is nothing but a crock. Unity on the basis of 'nothing' is ridiculous and dangerous. Unity must be based on something. Therefore, what we believe becomes all important to our unity. (1 Cor. 11:18-19)

Don't ever unify just to unify. You create a monster. (Luke 12:51) "Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division.:"

Quantrill

 

[Christ4Ever]

So, everyone must agree with you and Mark Taylor? Else, I am a traitor and guilty of causing division. Sorry, that aint going to happen. First of all, you and Mark make a nice speech, but not one word of Scripture. Of course you say the Spirit bears witness of this. But then, I am trusting you understood the Spirit.

This idea of 'putting your differences aside and come together in unity' is nothing but a crock. Unity on the basis of 'nothing' is ridiculous and dangerous. Unity must be based on something. Therefore, what we believe becomes all important to our unity. (1 Cor. 11:18-19)

Don't ever unify just to unify. You create a monster. (Luke 12:51) "Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division.:"

Quantrill

Dear Brother,
You may have taken what was said here personally, since of course there have been discussions between you both that have not always been pleasant. Brothers in Christ Jesus can have disagreements, but it doesn't mean they have to carry over to everything. In truth their should be a unity in the Body of Christ. Yet, looking around not only here at Talk Jesus, but in many places around the world to include Churches there seems to be an ever increasing conflict going on. One that doesn't reflect the Love of Christ or how He meant for us to Love each other who are brethren.

With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. Ephesians 4:2-3

Don't think that division, and sword mentioned in Matthew 10 was meant that it should be so within the Body of Christ. Just that His name "JESUS", would illicit this, and require one to choose on who they would belong to.

All I ask is that you don't seek this division, for it will surely find you anyway and so magnify the pain that follows all such dealings. Both for you and for others.

With the Love of Christ Jesus Brother.
YBIC
Nick
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[Quantrill]

Dear Brother,
You may have taken what was said here personally, since of course there have been discussions between you both that have not always been pleasant. Brothers in Christ Jesus can have disagreements, but it doesn't mean they have to carry over to everything. In truth their should be a unity in the Body of Christ. Yet, looking around not only here at Talk Jesus, but in many places around the world to include Churches there seems to be an ever increasing conflict going on. One that doesn't reflect the Love of Christ or how He meant for us to Love each other who are brethren.

With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. Ephesians 4:2-3

Don't think that division, and sword mentioned in Matthew 10 was meant that it should be so within the Body of Christ. Just that His name "JESUS", would illicit this, and require one to choose on who they would belong to.

All I ask is that you don't seek this division, for it will surely find you anyway and so magnify the pain that follows all such dealings. Both for you and for others.

With the Love of Christ Jesus Brother.
YBIC
Nick
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I certainly do not seek division. But, I recognize that Jesus Christ does divide. He does it between the world and the believer as (Luke 12:51) shows. And He does it at times between believers as (1 Cor. 11:18-19) shows.

A unified Israel was and is always important to God. But only on His terms. Once Solomon moved away from God, and the people began worshiping idols, God divided the Kingdom. (1 Kings 11:11) (1 Kings 12:24)

Yes we are to always attempt to keep the unity of the Spirit and the bond of peace as (Eph. 4:2-3) says. But Paul is also assuming all are holding to the doctrines that He is espousing. As soon as those came in proclaiming another doctrine, Paul was just as adamant in contending with them. (Acts 15:1-11) (Gal. 2:11-14)

My point is this. You cannot espouse unity just for the sake of unity. Keeping the unity of the Spirit will involve teaching and believing what the Spirit is teaching. It also involves whether or not one's conduct is not acceptable in the Church. He can be a believer but is cast out of the Church. (1 Cor. 5:1-5)

This is why there is such division in the Church today. Is that good? No. But what isn't good is the false doctrines or conduct that has been allowed into the Church, to which the Church ignored because they are supposed to love everyone. Instead of their love changing these doctrines and conduct, it has eaten away at the Church like a cancer.

Again, unity for the sake of unity is dangerous. I can be adamant that we as believers are to keep the unity of the faith and Spirit, but just as adamant about contending with false doctrine or conduct. For believers to drop all doctrinal differences we have for the sake of unity, is suicide.

Quantrill

 

[Dave M]

I can be adamant that we as believers are to keep the unity of the faith and Spirit,

are you suggesting that there are non believers here??

 

[Quantrill]

are you suggesting that there are non believers here??

Why would you ask that question based on the quote you gave?

Quantrill

 

[Christ4Ever]

I certainly do not seek division. But, I recognize that Jesus Christ does divide. He does it between the world and the believer as (Luke 12:51) shows. And He does it at times between believers as (1 Cor. 11:18-19) shows.

A unified Israel was and is always important to God. But only on His terms. Once Solomon moved away from God, and the people began worshiping idols, God divided the Kingdom. (1 Kings 11:11) (1 Kings 12:24)

Yes we are to always attempt to keep the unity of the Spirit and the bond of peace as (Eph. 4:2-3) says. But Paul is also assuming all are holding to the doctrines that He is espousing. As soon as those came in proclaiming another doctrine, Paul was just as adamant in contending with them. (Acts 15:1-11) (Gal. 2:11-14)

My point is this. You cannot espouse unity just for the sake of unity. Keeping the unity of the Spirit will involve teaching and believing what the Spirit is teaching. It also involves whether or not one's conduct is not acceptable in the Church. He can be a believer but is cast out of the Church. (1 Cor. 5:1-5)

This is why there is such division in the Church today. Is that good? No. But what isn't good is the false doctrines or conduct that has been allowed into the Church, to which the Church ignored because they are supposed to love everyone. Instead of their love changing these doctrines and conduct, it has eaten away at the Church like a cancer.

Again, unity for the sake of unity is dangerous. I can be adamant that we as believers are to keep the unity of the faith and Spirit, but just as adamant about contending with false doctrine or conduct. For believers to drop all doctrinal differences we have for the sake of unity, is suicide.

Quantrill

Hello Brother,
I understand, but why make the division greater, when it was not purpose of the thread, but to show that it exists in the churches and is something that should be addressed?
Yes our Lord came to divide, but what was He talking about? Surely it was not those of God, but the believer from the unbeliever. In truth he came to save (Luke 9:56), and if division was a by product of it then don't be surprised by it. However, what was the point of this post? Was it that division is painful to God, and that we should address it? In other words "if the shoe fits......" then how about trying to do something about it? Unity is not a means to an end, but the end itself in Christ Jesus, truth. The Body of Christ should not be in division, because you'll not be able to uplift and support each other without it and much prayer. I'm am not saying not to address errant doctrine, but how you do it is probably even more important then if you do it.

Take a look at your response below.

So, everyone must agree with you and Mark Taylor? Else, I am a traitor and guilty of causing division.

Even if you disagreed with the point in question, that division has it's purpose and felt that this was being addressed to you. Could you not have instead of making a statement and an opening one at that, made it into a form of a question instead, to confirm what you believe it was saying to you? Clarification and confirmation before accusation brother.

Mercy, Grace, and Love can and should come by way of the believer even if one is in disagreement. How you respond, should not be in kind, meaning as the World does, even if at other times they the believer have done so to you. This is the advantage you have over the unbeliever. Jesus Christ in you (Gal 2:20).

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[Quantrill]

Hello Brother,
I understand, but why make the division greater, when it was not purpose of the thread, but to show that it exists in the churches and is something that should be addressed?
Yes our Lord came to divide, but what was He talking about? Surely it was not those of God, but the believer from the unbeliever. In truth he came to save (Luke 9:56), and if division was a by product of it then don't be surprised by it. However, what was the point of this post? Was it that division is painful to God, and that we should address it? In other words "if the shoe fits......" then how about trying to do something about it? Unity is not a means to an end, but the end itself in Christ Jesus, truth. The Body of Christ should not be in division, because you'll not be able to uplift and support each other without it and much prayer. I'm am not saying not to address errant doctrine, but how you do it is probably even more important then if you do it.

Take a look at your response below.



Even if you disagreed with the point in question, that division has it's purpose and felt that this was being addressed to you. Could you not have instead of making a statement and an opening one at that, made it into a form of a question instead, to confirm what you believe it was saying to you? Clarification and confirmation before accusation brother.

Mercy, Grace, and Love can and should come by way of the believer even if one is in disagreement. How you respond, should not be in kind, meaning as the World does, even if at other times they the believer have done so to you. This is the advantage you have over the unbeliever. Jesus Christ in you (Gal 2:20).

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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I don't try and make division greater. But I don't unify just for the sake of unity. This I believe, and said, is a real danger. Doctrine divides. Always has and will. That is why Christians go to different churches. You try and find one that is similar to your beliefs, your doctrine. The Universal Church is unified by the Spirit of Christ already. Your local fellowship is unified by that Spirit and the doctrines you hold to. Thus the importance of Bible study.

Understand, I never for a moment considered this point in question was addressed to me personally. It was addressed to all the Church, as I took it. I used myself as an example as I disagreed with the main point. And still do. I don't think I misunderstood what was being said at all, which is why I have responded as I have.

I believe doctrine is a little more serious than you think it is. The root is much more deeper. You have your gray areas that are interesting but don't really affect the believers life. But then you have those areas that must be believed, because they will affect ones walk of salvation. I have argued and debated with believers and non-believers over these important areas for years. And never have I seen any change their mind. No one stops in the middle of the debate and says, 'you know what, you're right and I am going to change my doctrine'. Myself included. Why? Because it is too important. The root is too deep. Once established, you can just about forget it.

So, because doctrine is so important, you see why I am against any unifying just for the sake of unifying. The enemy is not always outside the Church. He is many times within the Church. The Christ in me is the same who told Peter to 'get behind me satan'. What if I used that terminology? Would I be a divider or unifier?

Quantrill

 

[Bendito]

So, everyone must agree with you and Mark Taylor? Else, I am a traitor and guilty of causing division. Sorry, that aint going to happen. First of all, you and Mark make a nice speech, but not one word of Scripture. Of course you say the Spirit bears witness of this. But then, I am trusting you understood the Spirit.

This idea of 'putting your differences aside and come together in unity' is nothing but a crock. Unity on the basis of 'nothing' is ridiculous and dangerous. Unity must be based on something. Therefore, what we believe becomes all important to our unity. (1 Cor. 11:18-19)

Don't ever unify just to unify. You create a monster. (Luke 12:51) "Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division.:"

Quantrill

So you figure we are supposed to fight stupid fights with each other?

 

[Christ4Ever]

I don't try and make division greater. But I don't unify just for the sake of unity. This I believe, and said, is a real danger. Doctrine divides. Always has and will. That is why Christians go to different churches. You try and find one that is similar to your beliefs, your doctrine. The Universal Church is unified by the Spirit of Christ already. Your local fellowship is unified by that Spirit and the doctrines you hold to. Thus the importance of Bible study.

Understand, I never for a moment considered this point in question was addressed to me personally. It was addressed to all the Church, as I took it. I used myself as an example as I disagreed with the main point. And still do. I don't think I misunderstood what was being said at all, which is why I have responded as I have.

I believe doctrine is a little more serious than you think it is. The root is much more deeper. You have your gray areas that are interesting but don't really affect the believers life. But then you have those areas that must be believed, because they will affect ones walk of salvation. I have argued and debated with believers and non-believers over these important areas for years. And never have I seen any change their mind. No one stops in the middle of the debate and says, 'you know what, you're right and I am going to change my doctrine'. Myself included. Why? Because it is too important. The root is too deep. Once established, you can just about forget it.

So, because doctrine is so important, you see why I am against any unifying just for the sake of unifying. The enemy is not always outside the Church. He is many times within the Church. The Christ in me is the same who told Peter to 'get behind me satan'. What if I used that terminology? Would I be a divider or unifier?

Quantrill

Hello Quantrill,
By looking at your reply, it makes me wonder if you even read what I wrote. Especially when in my first words that I used to you was "I understand" and then in your reply to me you go ahead and explain your position again as if I didn't understand what you are saying the first time.

On creating a greater division. It may not have been your intent to do so, but the end result was still the same.

However, since you bring this into a doctrinal discussion. Let's see if we can come to an understanding of the positions you hold on the doctrines of "Unity" and "Division" as it pertains to Scripture. Please explain each doctrine, and then if possible how they can be reconciled. I ask this of you, because if you're going to argue against one, then you must understand both, and since they seem to be antithesis to each other. Reconciling them will require Spiritual insight, not only in understanding but application as well.

I look forward to your reply Brother Quantrill.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[Quantrill]

So you figure we are supposed to fight stupid fights with each other?

I don't believe the fights are stupid.

Stranger

 

[Bendito]

I don't believe the fights are stupid.

Stranger

There could be a reason for that.

 

[Christ4Ever]

I don't believe the fights are stupid.

Stranger

LOL

This might not have been your intent on posting this, but I couldn't help reply to it. Thanks. It's been a long day.

 

[Bendito]

Titus 3:9

But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

Striving, arguing is stupid.

 

[Quantrill]

Hello Quantrill,
By looking at your reply, it makes me wonder if you even read what I wrote. Especially when in my first words that I used to you was "I understand" and then in your reply to me you go ahead and explain your position again as if I didn't understand what you are saying the first time.

On creating a greater division. It may not have been your intent to do so, but the end result was still the same.

However, since you bring this into a doctrinal discussion. Let's see if we can come to an understanding of the positions you hold on the doctrines of "Unity" and "Division" as it pertains to Scripture. Please explain each doctrine, and then if possible how they can be reconciled. I ask this of you, because if you're going to argue against one, then you must understand both, and since they seem to be antithesis to each other. Reconciling them will require Spiritual insight, not only in understanding but application as well.

I look forward to your reply Brother Quantrill.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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On me creating a 'greater division', as you say, is not my concern. That is not my goal. My goal is to speak the truth as I see the Bible teaching it. Thus, I let the chips fall. If it divides, so be it. As I have said, that is to be expected.

I'm not going through all the doctrines found in the Bible and explain them to you. I have given you Scripture already to support the legitimacy of dividing. If you disagree with that, then you show me where. See post [HASH=1774]#(5[/HASH]) again.

Why do you ask 'how they can be reconciled'? I am not interested in reconciling them. And I have already explained why they both exist in the Church today. Read again post [HASH=1775]#(9[/HASH]). You think I did not read your posts....yet I think the same of you.

As I have said, unity for the sake of unity, is suicidal.

Do you?

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

LOL

This might not have been your intent on posting this, but I couldn't help reply to it. Thanks. It's been a long day.

I believe you captured the intent very well.

Quantrill

 

[Hekuran]

unity for the sake of unity, is suicidal.

The OP is not advocating unity for the sake of unity. It's about unity for the sake of forwarding the kingdom of God.

 

[Christ4Ever]

On me creating a 'greater division', as you say, is not my concern. That is not my goal. My goal is to speak the truth as I see the Bible teaching it. Thus, I let the chips fall. If it divides, so be it. As I have said, that is to be expected.

I'm not going through all the doctrines found in the Bible and explain them to you. I have given you Scripture already to support the legitimacy of dividing. If you disagree with that, then you show me where. See post [HASH=1774]#(5[/HASH]) again.

Why do you ask 'how they can be reconciled'? I am not interested in reconciling them. And I have already explained why they both exist in the Church today. Read again post [HASH=1775]#(9[/HASH]). You think I did not read your posts....yet I think the same of you.

As I have said, unity for the sake of unity, is suicidal.

Do you?

Quantrill

Hello Quantrill,
I've read your #9 again. Then I suggest you take your own advice and only post on those you can agree with.

You try and find one that is similar to your beliefs, your doctrine.

As far as not having taken it personally.....then reread your #3. Because no where did it imply in the opening thread it was directed to "YOU". Yet, you replied (see below), meaning that the only way you would have written that is if you did take it personally.

So, everyone must agree with you and Mark Taylor? Else, I am a traitor and guilty of causing division. Sorry, that aint going to happen. First of all, you and Mark make a nice speech, but not one word of Scripture.

Understand, I never for a moment considered this point in question was addressed to me personally.

If you had questions concerning the lack of Scripture why didn't you ask? You might have actually received an answer! You mention that your goal is to speak the Bible as you see it! Goodness me, are you okay? I ask this, because your goal should be to speak the Bible as God wants it understood!!! It's not about you, but Him!

My goal is to speak the truth as I see the Bible teaching it. Thus, I let the chips fall. If it divides, so be it. As I have said, that is to be expected.

I appreciate your honesty, in telling me your goal, but your goal is destructive and not instructive or uplifting to growing in His Word. If you seek to achieve the goal above, you'll end up doing it on another site and not here. If you believe I would do this because I disagree with your inference on "division" that would be incorrect. For I agree with you, however, you are wrong in your presentation and the use you have put it to. You did not, nor do you seek to grow in knowledge, you are only seeking to justify yourself in the use of the knowledge you have gained through Scripture reading. Shame, for instead of contributing in a positive way, I feel the need to explain this, because you will take even that out of context, is that even comments that are contrary to a thought, post, can be uplifting and can edify the Body of Christ. However, doing so, for another purpose becomes self-righteous, no matter how you word/see it.

I also understand why you won't attempt to reconcile "Unity" & "Division" because they cannot be, because they each can both communicate a positive or a negative. An example of this is when Jesus was accused of being demon possessed because he healed a demon possessed man. What did our Lord say? Need Scripture for that How about Matthew 12:25, you can even look at Mark 3:25 and Luke 11:17. I'm sure many examples can be given that reflect Division and Unity don't mix within the same context given, but neither is completely wrong in its usage if done properly. You showed only one side of division because it served your purpose. You could just as easily shown the other side and confirmed what had been written.

If you believe that deception or incorrect doctrine was being written here, then you should have asked questions. No, you judged this, and then condemned. Not a method I'm sure you would want used on you, and sadly, from looking at some responses on other threads, you have received them, and I'm sure you didn't like them. So, why do it to others?

Try to be an example on how to communicate, even in correction with Love Brother. For then you presence will bring grace and joy to those who read your words. Thereby giving the Glory to God as a Man of God!

With the Love of Christ Jesus Brother.
YBIC
Nick
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[Quantrill]

The OP is not advocating unity for the sake of unity. It's about unity for the sake of forwarding the kingdom of God.

The OP advocated putting all else, petty differences he said, aside and unify. In other words, any understanding you may have learned of God via the Bible and the Spirit and the intellect, you need to put aside and unify.

That is unity for the sake of unity alone. The goal and purpose may be the furtherance of the Kingdom, but that does not unify. In fact, the writer of the OP has a doctrine also. And what he is asking is that all drop their petty differences, which will be doctrinal, and follow his doctrine. And, what if it comes into conflict with your doctrine? You just forget yours.

Quantrill