What was Jesus saying when He said "you must be born again"

[Samson2020]

I would however add that as history teaches it, the Catholic church and the papal legacy have been responsible for innumerable people being slaughtered by burning at the stake, beheading, Hanging, you name it (the true Christians, Novatians, Paulicans, Bogomils,Patarines, Cathars, Maranos, Protestants, Muslims). Basically anybody including the emperor of Rome if he didn't abide by their judgement. But that time is in the past and it is the muslim extremist that have this duty now. Not to mention the muslims put down quite a few Catholics during the crusades, but live by the sword die by the sword.

Have you ever read maccabees 1 or 2 in the Catholic Bible? Theirs has more books than KJV, in case you havn't seen one, and what we would consider the cannonized versions. Me personally I tried maccabees but put me to sleep, no spiritual food, reads like an autobiography.

 

[David1954]

Okay. I don't know what opinion you are expressing. Catholics and Protestants murdering innumerable people for religious reasons reveals that they are not Christians.

 

[Samson2020]

Not an opinion just historical facts. You have heard of the crusades right? The dark ages? And I agree those that would cause harm to another human could not be true Christians for they, the true Christian, follow the commandment, "Love thy neighbor as thyself" and everybody in the world is your neighbor to us.

 

[David1954]

The Catholics added to the Jewish Bible. And that is just the start of listing evidence they were never Christians.

 

[Samson2020]

Almost, they added to the New testament writings and the Old. And so began the Doctrines of an ANTICHRIST! As evidenced by their disregard for life.
It was common practice to take all possessions of anyone accused of heresy and other things. And this shows their policy ,not doctrine, though covered by scripture in their own interpretation, was exactly opposite of what the Lord asks us to do which is sell that that ye have and give to the poor and never said they had to be Christians, just poor. But they confiscated all property and possessions leaving those people with nothing but their lives. Satan was doing his best to destroy the true gospel but that's his job.

 

[Blake H]

one thing is for certain its a gift from God and not something you learn to do

Right.

 

[Blake H]

No, they don't support the doctrine that everyone baptized in the Spirit will speak in tongues.

29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?

30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?

- 1 Corinthians 12.

Anyone can be a prophet or a teacher and use the power of the Holy Spirit to heal people.

 

[Samson2020]

Might want to check with the Lord on that one. Last time I was involved in a healing he said to me specifically "I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy."
The guy he sent me to pray for got healed of a bad heart and inoperable cancer. I was just a messenger as I didn't know he had either, but he told me to do it and I did and he made it happen I didn't heal anything.

Ever wonder why it took Paul several days to get around to casting out the spirit of divinity in the woman that was declaring them to be the servants of God?
Answer: It wasn't time yet as the Lord had not told him to do anything yet.

Not saying you can't pray for somebody for him to be merciful to them. But the Bible tells us that "if we pray according to his will then we know that we receive what we pray for."

In Pauls case he waited for the will of the Lord to be made manifest then he carried out the task.

Just speaking from my own experience with the Lord and many days of reasoning over this particular scenario.

 

[Samson2020]

David1954

Not all Catholics are able to escape Catholicism. Too many friends and family still in the church, They can't tear themselves away from the group to be alone with the Lord. Lets not lump them all in the same boat as non Christians, as some don't know they are in captivity to Catholicism. Or for that matter any other ism you wanna name like Baptist, Lutheran, Pentecostal, Church of Christ, Methodist, etc..... all of them are off shoots of the Harlot. But as I said somewhere else God will challenge his SONS as to they're LOVE of him and this is a tough one to overcome especially if you can't even SEE it.

 

[Dave M]

Answer: It wasn't time yet as the Lord had not told him to do anything yet.

you dont have any scripture to back that up, thats only your opinion.

It could just as easily of been that he just waited and she got on his nerves finally.

 

[Samson2020]

You could be right.
But just as Jesus had said "I do nothing I do not hear or see my Father doing." I believe Paul did his best to imitate the Lord (JESUS') actions. Even in
Pauls epistles he makes claim that he will do, or come to, etc.... if GOD BE WILLING. Telling us that GODS WILL outweighed his, and, he (GOD) knew best so Paul waited upon the LORD.

I did make the statement that I spent many days reasoning over this particular scenario. And came to the conclusion based on my own personal experiences
with the Lord. Not trying to make doctrine. Just trying to make sense of the situation.

 

[rhern53]

John 3 King James Version (KJV)
3:1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:

2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.

3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?

question;
1. Did Nicodemus believed Jesus was talking about a literal birth? Did Jesus tell him "no, I'm not talking about a literal rebirth"

2; What is the Kingdom of God? The Lord will be King at His 2nd coming this is this is the Kingdom of God, The 1000 year reign.

Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. .......Do we see the Kingdom?

 

[PloughBoy]

you dont have any scripture to back that up, thats only your opinion.

It could just as easily of been that he just waited and she got on his nerves finally.

King James Bible
And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
Who are the offsprings of the “Roman Church” the institutions” that came out of her? It is nice to have study church history for over 30 years

 

[Samson2020]

We can only SEE the KINGDOM of GOD if we can SEE the FINISHED WORK. I spoke to you in private of this.

Think about "The KINGDOM OF GOD IS WITHIN YOU" this is the spiritual Son of God IN YOU, when it has reached the birthing point then we shall see it.
For now when one of them opens their mouth to speak we hear that Son, but cannot yet see him.

 

[rhern53]

We can only SEE the KINGDOM of GOD if we can SEE the FINISHED WORK. I spoke to you in private of this.

Think about "The KINGDOM OF GOD IS WITHIN YOU" this is the spiritual Son of God IN YOU, when it has reached the birthing point then we shall see it.
For now when one of them opens their mouth to speak we hear that Son, but cannot yet see him.

Ok I agree in this spiritual sense

But Nicodemus is saying "How can I enter my mother womb and be born." is this what He said?

Jesus did not correct Him saying " no I don't mean it literally? is this correct?

:10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? did Jesus say this? yes or no

Yes the Lord is in our hearts and mind but humor me..... Have I stated any wrong stated any false statements

 

[PloughBoy]

Smile, Samson, I have no questions about Christianity, I have. No Questions about Jesus or God nor His Holy Spirit, or The Book of Revelation, or the so called Christianity, not bragging, I just burn the mid- night oil, I been on this journey for over 42 years, I’m not even curious about nothing concern God. I had what they a call miraculous conversion in 1977, whatever that mean and I don’t care. Now I just keep reading His word. And just love and enjoy a moment of “true koinonia” With you and my brothers and sisters in Christ. “I Love to talk about my God” And I cannot wait to see Jesus. The English name.

 

[Sue D.]

@PloughBoy -- just read your comment about 'the so-called Christianity'. And then 'what they call a miraculous conversion in 1977 , whatever that means and I don't care". @ 3:30 am that sounds a bit troubling.

 

[Samson2020]

To rhern53

Everything you stated is correct. I would add one thing from the same area of passage. He said to him that if I tell you of earthly things and you believe not,
HOW CAN I TELL YOU OF SPIRITUAL THINGS, he knew he would not understand, and most no one on the face of the earth that hasn't experienced that baptism could comprehend how it happens or how it feels until the time it occurs to them. We can tell them but it sounds like a fairy tale to them. A lot of folks think they already got it when they were dipped in water but that ain't it. And I think they feel that way because thats how it happened with Jesus. But he had an appointment with destiny, as we all do, his just coincided with his water baptism.

 

[Samson2020]

Ploughboy,

Keep after that word and new Revelation. But remember to share anything NEW for our consideration.

 

[rhern53]

Yes you mention a vital part HOW CAN I TELL YOU OF SPIRITUAL THINGS

What do they, the Jews know?
John 3:
9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?

10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?

11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.

12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

what do they know?

We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen;

John 11:...23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.

24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.