It is implied if Jesus said the Father is greater than him in John. I focus on the Gospels. I even avoid Paul who never met Jesus. Revelations is a mystery. They are not even sure who wrote it. It was just added somehow to the story. There are just too many influences that creates confusion, resulting in thousands of Churches with different and even conflicting interpretations. There is no end to it.
We know that Jesus is God the Creator, so who is this Father we keep hearing about?
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in order to be a apostle you had to have met Jesus. so If I was you I would start digging there.
Are you a christian??? have you been born again and created new?? has the old passed away?
You must not know your Bible history, which is not unusual. Paul didn't start believing in Jesus till 10 or more years after Jesus Crucifixion. He actually was killing Christians during this time. The story goes that on the road to Damascus, he had a vision of Jesus as he fell off his horse and became a believer. However I am concerned that his vision was different in some respects to Jesus. But he clearly never physically met Jesus according to the New Testament. I have had many discussions with Ministers about this. The New Testament, in many ways, is Paul's Testament. The idea of the Trinity is something that he believed. Jesus in the Parable of Sheep and Goats clearly says that "Faith alone" will not take you to his kingdom but also the "works" of serving Mankind is necessary.. Paul did not place as much on "works", as well others like Luther, Calvin, etc. Most Christen's follow Paul's vision and are often referred to as Pauline Christians.
So...Paul met Jesus, right?
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The Apostle Paul said.....
1Co 9:1 Am I not free? Am I not an apostle? Have I not seen Jesus our Lord? Are not you my workmanship in the Lord?
Paul also said......
1Co 15:8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.
1Co 15:9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
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In his mind but not physically. Do you believe Joseph Smith's vision of seeing his followers call the Sacred Grove. Smith described it as a personal theophany in which he received instruction from God. People will easily believe such things, it seems. I prefer to focus on the Gospels. People seem to readily believe about anything, even though it is completely illogical and irrational. We should listen to Jesus and not Paul. It is just his interpretation.
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Imaginations happen in the physical mind, visions have nothing to do with the human mind they happen in mans "spirit"
2Co 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds:
2Co 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
So, are you a Christian...or, what?
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Jesus was given "all power and authority" by Jehovah as that gives him the power to be or do whatever God would have for him to do. Satan was defeated once and for all time when Christ was resurrected from the grave. And when all are in subjection to Christ that power and authority will return to God.
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God and Jesus are one, to truly understand it must be revealed to you by the Holly Spirit.
John 10:30
I and the Father are one.”
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EPHESIANS 4:6
"One God" and Father of all, who is over all, and through all, and in all.
To understand you must be humble
Ps 138:6 Though Jehovah is high, he takes note of the humble, But the haughty he knows only from a distance
Colossians 1:12 ¶giving thanks unto the Father, who made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light;
13 who delivered us out of the power of darkness, and translated us into the kingdom of the Son of his love;
14 in whom we have our redemption, the forgiveness of our sins:
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;
16 for in him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and unto him;
17 and he is before all things, and in him all things consist.
18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
19 For it was the good pleasure of the Father that in him should all the fullness dwell;
Image: visible representation, a reproduction or imitation of the form of a person or thing, likeness : semblance
Firstborn: first child or first birth implies a start
Creation: that which was created, or brought into being
Now as for the small part you quoted:
“I did tell you and you don’t believe,” Jesus answered them. “The works that I do in My Father’s name testify about Me. But you don’t believe because you are not My sheep. My sheep hear My voice, I know them, and they follow Me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish — ever! No one will snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all. No one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. The Father and I are one.”
Jesus is like the Father in every way in harmony and always doing Gods will.... He also said "the Father is greater than I"
Believe as you will I give accurate knowledge from the Bible without resorting to pieces of a verse or trying to distort the meaning even. Even the commentaries for the Bible says as much for this verse. Yes there is the implication of a
MUCH greater bond between God the Father and Jesus and that I do believe.... there is far more than a mere man can understand concerning God the Holy Spirit and Christ.
Eccl 3:11 He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has even put eternity in their heart; yet mankind will never find out the work that the true God has made from start to finish.
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There has only been "one" man created and that was Adam, everyone else after him was born here on earth.
Jesus was never created he was the "firstborn" from a spiritual being (God the Father) that has always existed! Jesus who happens to be the Wisdom and power of God (1 Cor 1:24) was brought forth so as to create all things before anything was ever created! (John 1:3) (Col 1:16-17)
Jesus is God the father's "body" in which he works through! (Col 2:8-9) Now we are the body Christ in which God continues his works through his Son who is in us!
Paul's writings are Scripture.
"as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you,
16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest
of the Scriptures, to their own destruction."
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David: I ‘m still haven’t found that horse, that “Rainer” said Paul was riding on his way to Damascus when Saul met Jesus, Many have spoken about that horse, I haven’t found him. And they know their “bible”. David, do you know where that horse is at? If you find him, please point him out to me.
Here is “ Rainer’s” quote:
during this time. The story goes that on the road to Damascus, he had a vision of Jesus as he fell off his horse and became a believer.
Here is “ Rainer’s” quote:
during this time. The story goes that on the road to Damascus, he had a vision of Jesus as he fell off his horse and became a believer.
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this is most excellent brother thank you for sharing this, hopefully it will help others understand.
3 As he neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him.
4 He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?”
5 “Who are you, Lord?” Saul asked. “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,” he replied.
I don't know of any other Scripture about this event that speaks of a horse.
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I have heard about Paul falling of of that horse for over 40 years, Christians telling the story about the conversion of Paul.. Now here is my point of entry. Sometimes as Christians we have heard things about scripture in the institutional church so long and we think it is bible. I am going to use “Rainer” quote for a example, but i am not attacking him at all. I know he has read that story of countless times about “Paul’s” conversion even when Paul testified before “ Felix” and “King Agrippa”. No matter how many times he read it, there was no horse in the story. Why did he put that horse there, like many has done. Getting to the point ! When many of us read scripture sometimes the enemy snatch at certain points to distort and replace with something we heard. 1st. He starts with little things and go unnoticed , little by little this type of movement grows. “You get the point “
“a little leaven spoils the whole lump” (Gal. 5:9).
New American Standard 1977
“Catch the foxes for us, The little foxes that are ruining the vineyards, While our vineyards are in blossom.”
I hope some body find that horse, if they do I will be glad, if so, dis-regard this post. Then we can continue on to the edification of the Saints of God without delay.
“Rainer’s” quote:
“The story goes that on the road to Damascus, he had a vision of Jesus as he fell off his horse and became a believer.”
“a little leaven spoils the whole lump” (Gal. 5:9).
New American Standard 1977
“Catch the foxes for us, The little foxes that are ruining the vineyards, While our vineyards are in blossom.”
I hope some body find that horse, if they do I will be glad, if so, dis-regard this post. Then we can continue on to the edification of the Saints of God without delay.
“Rainer’s” quote:
“The story goes that on the road to Damascus, he had a vision of Jesus as he fell off his horse and became a believer.”
