Born again and Baptism, What's the connection?

[Born Again 2004]

You avoided the scriptures above
1. If you don't believe in the Trinity , is probaby the lack of understanding God's Omnipotent nature.
2. But, having to ask "How is Jesus in you? Probably indicates that the "Water Baptism" that you so espose, hasn't done you any good! AND probably indicates that you are not Christian yet

 

[Hekuran]

If we need to discuss the trinity, can it be done in another thread please?

 

[Born Again 2004]

It was just a supportive statement to the existing Thread and not needed to be a separate thread! Itself. BUT if wish to start a thread on the Trinity, be my guest.

 

[Butch5]

You avoided the scriptures above
1. If you don't believe in the Trinity , is probaby the lack of understanding God's Omnipotent nature.
2. But, having to ask "How is Jesus in you? Probably indicates that the "Water Baptism" that you so espose, hasn't done you any good! AND probably indicates that you are not Christian yet

I didnt avoid anything. You didnt answer about the Trinity. And the reason I asked is to get your understanding of how that is. If you're not able to explain I understand

 

[Born Again 2004]

1 John 5:7-8
The Trinity
KJV: for there are three that bear witness in Heaven, the Father,the word and the Holy Ghost and these three are one.
John 1:14
John 1:1

 

[Butch5]

1 John 5:7-8
The Trinity
KJV: for there are three that bear witness in Heaven, the Father,the word and the Holy Ghost and these three are one.
John 1:14
John 1:1

John 5;7 isn't original. It doesn't appear in the in Greek manuscripts until around 1500 ad. But that's for another thread

 

[Born Again 2004]

You shouldn't rely on scripture for this, you should just know!

 

[Butch5]

You shouldn't rely on scripture for this, you should just know!

Isn't that making it up?

 

[Born Again 2004]

You wouldn't understand, it is a God in you thing, which surpasses all understanding!

 

[Butch5]

You wouldn't understand, it is a God in you thing, which surpasses all understanding!

So no one understands it?

 

[Born Again 2004]

No, all true Born Again Christian's understands this ,with God, all is possible and with him in us, we just know.....so to answer the above question...no, just you.

 

[Butch5]

No, all true Born Again Christian's understands this ,with God, all is possible and with him in us, we just know.....so to answer the above question...no, just you.

How do you know what all born again Christisns know?

 

[Born Again 2004]

No comments.

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

can we please go back to the thief on the cross to whom Jesus spoke?

While we are confronted with punctuation marks, the punctuality of the occasion rendered a position of forgiveness to the thief.
(This one man was the only person, recorded, to have confessed Jesus as Lord at the crucifixion.)

This would indicate something very similar to being born again [born from above] .


Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in His blood, to declare His righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
Romans 3:25

He was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to life for our justification.
Romans 4:25

Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Romans 5:18

For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Romans 10:13

To Him give all the prophets witness, that through His name whosoever believeth in Him shall receive remission of sins.
Acts 10:43


Bless you ....><>

 

[Hekuran]

When a person says today that they are 'born again', it's shorthand for saying something like - 'I have personally recieved Jesus Christ as my Lord and saviour and have now begun a new life in him.' And as long as everybody knows that's what we mean everything is good.

But there is a key question: are we using the phrase today in the same way that Jesus used it in his conversation with Nicodemus? What did Jesus actually mean Nicodemus to understand, how does the idea fit into the conversation and into the wider context of the way John gives his account of the gospel?

 

[Born Again 2004]

I feel the Bible used this incident with the Thief to illustrate the Gospel that you are only saved by being Born Again, Jesus in you...that it is immediate and that you are with the Lod upon your physical death! The Thief at the crucifixion, yes but many before acknowledged Jesus is Lord and Savior, just look at Peter in Matthew 16:13-17, not too mention the untold number who acknowledged him via the water baptism of the time!

 

[Butch5]

When a person says today that they are 'born again', it's shorthand for saying something like - 'I have personally recieved Jesus Christ as my Lord and saviour and have now begun a new life in him.' And as long as everybody knows that's what we mean everything is good.

But there is a key question: are we using the phrase today in the same way that Jesus used it in his conversation with Nicodemus? What did Jesus actually mean Nicodemus to understand, how does the idea fit into the conversation and into the wider context of the way John gives his account of the gospel?

Hi Hekuran,

I feel the way I presented it is the way Jesus meant for Nicodemus to understand it. I beleive it's all tied to his Jewish roots

 

[Trevor]

How is Jesus in you?

Hi Butch,
2 Corinthians 13: 5 Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realise that Christ Jesus is in you--unless, of course, you fail the test? bless you.

 

[Butch5]

Hi Butch,
2 Corinthians 13: 5 Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realise that Christ Jesus is in you--unless, of course, you fail the test? bless you.

Thanks Trevor, I was wanting to see how Bornagain2004 understood that. That's why I asked.

 

[Born Again 2004]

You best worry about yourself and not others!