who are those that came out of the great tribulation????

[Sue D.]

Well -- I could suggest looking at Rev. 7:9-10 ,13, 14. -- the white robes -- that salvation belongs to our God. That would indicate that the 144,000 sealed Jews had gone through the 7 yrs. of tribulation and evangelized and the great multitudes in vs 9 of all nations, tribes, peoples and tongues are those who accepted Christ during the 7 years.

Since believers will be raptured up and out of this world Before any of that happens and I'm not Jewish or even part Jewish -- I won't be around for any of that.

There Will be those coming out of the 7 yrs. and then will be living during the 1,000 yr Earlthy reigh of Christ. The earth will be repopulated. That will be an interesting time.

 

[Dave M]

Rev. 7:9-10 ,I dont see how you can conclude these people were saved during the tribulation, it says the came out of tribulation so they could of been saved before the tribulation.,, because again it does not mention that people are people saved during the tribulation , it does say no one is repenting, so it seems logical that these people were already saved, since it says NO ONE IS REPENTING during the tribulation.

no wear in scripture that I can find says anything about a great revival at the end of times, it says the opposite many fall away. We have the two witness spreading the gospel all over the world, and we see no one repenting, and then rejoicing when they die,,, this is in the first 3.5 years of the tribulation.

dont you think if there was great revival at end times it would be mentioned??

 

[B-A-C]

no wear in scripture that I can find says anything about a great revival at the end of times, it says the opposite many fall away. We have the two witness spreading the gospel all over the world, and we see no one repenting, and then rejoicing when they die,,, this is in the first 3.5 years of the tribulation.

Besides all that, it specifically says the people in white robes are of every peoples, tribes, and nations. The certainly aren't only Jews.
The Jews that are mentioned in this chapter number at 144,000. The people in white robes are a great multitude no one could count.
Definitely two different groups of people.

There is no different dispensation for Jews, this is a false doctrine. They get saved the same way we do.

 

[Sue D.]

Yes -- Jewish people and Gentile people -- all get saved the same Way -- but Now is the time of the Gentiles -- later -- God will be dealing the final time with the non-accepting Jews.

The Jews that are sealed are there to evangelize the previously non-accepting Jews.

You simply don't agree with the time for the Jews in the future. No other group is given that -- only His chosen people -- the Jews.

 

[Dave M]

You simply don't agree with the time for the Jews in the future.

actually that is about the only thing I agree with ha ha. .....

what we dont agree on is the timing of the rapture, and you seem to be under the impression many get saved during the tribulation, I don't see that happening in scripture,, it says NO ONE REPENTS,,,, hence the questions who are those that came out of the tribulation, we know they had to be born again since they are in heaven, maybe I should of titled it ""when did those that come out of the tribulation get saved???""" there is no proof that I can find in scripture declaring they came to Christ during the tribulation, but I can find scripture that says NO ONE REPENTS during the tribulation, so the only thing I can conclude is that they were saved BEFORE tribulation.

Sue unless you can show me scripture saying there is a great revival during tribulation it make no sense to me that those who came out of the tribulation were saved during the tribulation.

I know your view is the most popular view, but I do not see it....

hope you have a good weekend sis

 

[Sue D.]

@ Dave M. -- actually - some of my comments were going to B-A-C who was actually responding to one of Your comments. So I was getting in the middle of that.

The Gospel was meant for the Children of Israel -- God's chosen people. But there's a comment in New Testament that because the Jews were rejecting the Gospel that was being shared with them -- I think it as Paul who was saying that they would share with the Gentiles, instead. There were Gentiles who Wanted to be included in Salvation and who were happy to receive the Word. And so since then, we've been in the 'times of the Gentiles' -- in Revelation -- right after the 7 churches of Asia are talked to -- their good and bad points -- the 'mood' changes. from chapter 4 and following -- John then proceeds to be shown the things that must take place after this. And at That point is when the Church is removed from the scene. Which would indicate that the tribulation events start taking place. Chapter 6 is when the seals start being opened. And that would Also be when God starts 'talking' to the Jews who'd not accepted Jesus Christ as their promised Messiah. And that's when they start coming To Christ. Those multititudes - Do repent -- since you want to use that term. The revival you want to 'see' is taking place when those multitudes of people are coming to Christ.

You have a good weekend, Too. Brother in Christ

 

[Dave M]

You have a good weekend, Too. Brother in Christ

thank you

 

[Dave M]

Yes, people Will be saved during those 7 years of tribulation.

HI @Sue D.

maybe but the bible teaches there is a great falling away that occurs during end times from my understanding, I can find nothing about a great revival during end times, so to suggest that those that came out of the great tribulations and are standing before the thrown of God are new CHristians that got saved during the tribulation does not seem to line up with scripture in my eyes. IT says so many that no one could number them, and it says from every tribe,does that suggest not just jews??

2 Thessalonians 2:3
Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,

1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons,

Revelation 7:9
After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands,

So what I see is many are going to fall away and no one repents during this time of tribulaiton, so how can the great multitude standing before the thrown of GOd that man can not even count be New christians that come to CHirst during the tribultations?

Can you imagine new Chrsitians not even strong or mature in there faith gladly giving up there life for Christ I am having a hard time understanding that,

 

[Brother Paul]

HI @Sue D.

maybe but the bible teaches there is a great falling away that occurs during end times from my understanding, I can find nothing about a great revival during end times, so to suggest that those that came out of the great tribulations and are standing before the thrown of God are new CHristians that got saved during the tribulation does not seem to line up with scripture in my eyes. IT says so many that no one could number them, and it says from every tribe,does that suggest not just jews??

2 Thessalonians 2:3
Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,

1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons,

Revelation 7:9
After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands,

So what I see is many are going to fall away and no one repents during this time of tribulaiton, so how can the great multitude standing before the thrown of GOd that man can not even count be New christians that come to CHirst during the tribultations?

Can you imagine new Chrsitians not even strong or mature in there faith gladly giving up there life for Christ I am having a hard time understanding that,

That "DAY" that shall not occur UNTIL there is the falling away the revealing of that man of sin IS the coming of the Lord (the Parousia) upon which the following three occur

a) the Antichrist is consumed by the brightness of His coming (parousia)
b) the dead in Christ shall rise, and
c) WE (the church) who are alive, with them, shall be caught up (the rapture) to meet Him (apentensis) in the air

The great multitude that came out of the tribulation were martyred during the first 3 1/2 years of Trib during the reign of the Antichrist

The Holy Spirit and the Church are still here during the Anti-Christ's reign until the second coming.....

 

[Sue D.]

On point A -- where is it found that the Antichrist is 'consumed' by the brightness of His coming (parousia)

And, yes, to the b and c points.

It's the Timing that is being questioned -- not the event itself.

And my question continues to be -- Why would the Church -- body of born again believers be receiving the wrath of God? There is a Lot of tribulation taking place between people Now and in the past. Wrath from man To man is very different than the wrath of God being poured down on those who have rejected Him and That will be experienced After His Church is taken up and out. The Jewish people rejected Jesus Christ as their promised Messiah. It has been said that during those coming 7 years is when God will Again 'present' Himself to His chosen people./ the Jews.

There are Lots of Messianic Jews Now. Those who have Not accepted Jesus Christ as their Messiah will be dealt with during that future time. And then they will come to Christ.

 

[Dave M]

And my question continues to be -- Why would the Church -- body of born again believers be receiving the wrath of God?

My thought is they can be protected from Gods wrath yet still go thru the tribulation Jesus himself said the tribulation was to help refine and purify

 

[Dave L]

On point A -- where is it found that the Antichrist is 'consumed' by the brightness of His coming (parousia)

And, yes, to the b and c points.

It's the Timing that is being questioned -- not the event itself.

And my question continues to be -- Why would the Church -- body of born again believers be receiving the wrath of God? There is a Lot of tribulation taking place between people Now and in the past. Wrath from man To man is very different than the wrath of God being poured down on those who have rejected Him and That will be experienced After His Church is taken up and out. The Jewish people rejected Jesus Christ as their promised Messiah. It has been said that during those coming 7 years is when God will Again 'present' Himself to His chosen people./ the Jews.

There are Lots of Messianic Jews Now. Those who have Not accepted Jesus Christ as their Messiah will be dealt with during that future time. And then they will come to Christ.

Here's what I believe. The "Great Tribulation" everyone expects happened to the Jews only in 70 AD with the destruction of Jerusalem. And in their being led captive into 114 some nations who killed and persecuted them, with Hitler being the most recent.

But the Church has always been under great tribulation, even now. Not for sin, but to become Christ-like through the things we suffer.

“And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.” Revelation 6:11 (KJV 1900)

“And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.” Revelation 7:13–17 (KJV 1900)

 

[Dave M]

The great multitude that came out of the tribulation were martyred during the first 3 1/2 years of Trib during the reign of the Antichrist

everyone agrees on that, the question is weather they were saved during the tribulation or prior

 

[Sue D.]

It would only matter if a person is a Jew? If That person has personally accepted or rejected. Because Now Is the time For salvation. The 144,000 sealed Jews -- 12,000 from each tribe Are sent out to evangelize the Jewish population. And evangelize Would be sharing the Gospel and the people Hearing it, would be accepting it.

 

[Primordial Light]

There is "great tribulation" but there is NO "THE GREAT TRIBULATION".

Disabuse your mind.

This link will explain it all - KINGDOM BIBLE STUDIES

 

[Brother Paul]

On point A -- where is it found that the Antichrist is 'consumed' by the brightness of His coming (parousia)

And, yes, to the b and c points.

It's the Timing that is being questioned -- not the event itself.

And my question continues to be -- Why would the Church -- body of born again believers be receiving the wrath of God? There is a Lot of tribulation taking place between people Now and in the past. Wrath from man To man is very different than the wrath of God being poured down on those who have rejected Him and That will be experienced After His Church is taken up and out. The Jewish people rejected Jesus Christ as their promised Messiah. It has been said that during those coming 7 years is when God will Again 'present' Himself to His chosen people./ the Jews.

There are Lots of Messianic Jews Now. Those who have Not accepted Jesus Christ as their Messiah will be dealt with during that future time. And then they will come to Christ.

2 Thess. 2:8

Also note that I did not say the church receives the wrath of God (we do not)...the wrath of God is poured out AFTER he is consumed. However the Holy Spirit and the Church are here during his (the A-C's) reign. All those who came out of the trib were beheaded for not taking the mark...they were Spirit filled believers.

 

[Sue D.]

@Primordial Light -- there Is a difference between experiencing a great deal of tribulation AND the 7 yrs of tribulation and the last 3 1/2 years being the Great Tribulation.

Go back to DAniel 9 : 27 and following.

 

[Sue D.]

2 Thess. 2:8

Also note that I did not say the church receives the wrath of God (we do not)...the wrath of God is poured out AFTER he is consumed. However the Holy Spirit and the Church are here during his (the A-C's) reign. All those who came out of the trib were beheaded for not taking the mark...they were Spirit filled believers.

That verse is definitely there, but context is also important. You're trying to fit in point A where it doesn't really belong.

 

[PloughBoy]

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[Brother Paul]

That verse is definitely there, but context is also important. You're trying to fit in point A where it doesn't really belong.

I disagree...it also speaks of the parousia (the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ)....